Continuation Part 16: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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Vixen said:
Just because a crime doesn't make sense, it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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Of course it doesn't. But for the totally bizarre to have happened there must be conclusive proof. If you told me you won the 400 million dollar lottery, I'd ask to see the ticket.
Vixen said:
From the hard physical evidence, we know Raff and Amanda were at the scene of the crime. If Rudy was sole perp, there is no explanation for Raff and Amanda's presence, the later clean up (which they were doing an awful lot that night!), the staged rape and the staged burglary. The kids were not covering up for Rudy, for sure.
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Let's be honest for a change. Also let's think about this. We know that Amanda and Raffaele were at the crime scene before and after the murder. They were there when Meredith woke up on November 1st. There also is no evidence of a cleanup or a staged burglary or rape. Claiming these things is not proving them.


Vixen said:
Some girl shot her class peers because, "I don't like Mondays".

For a sociopath no deep reason required.
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That was one person. Try finding 3 sociopaths that don't really know each other. And since you are saying that Amanda and Raffaele are sociopsths, where is your proof? What psychiatrist examined Amanda and Raffaele and testified that these 2 young people were sociopaths? What was the doctor's name and on what date did he testify? Or is this like all your arguments and totally devoid of credible evidence to back up your claim?

Keep in mind Vixen, that Massei who convicted the two did not say what you are claiming.
 
acbytesla said:
It makes me wonder why people who claim to be Mensa members don't get it? I see them grasping at straws trying to explain it. What they usually come up with are simpleton answers or none at all. It's Amanda is a psycho or its drugs, not that they have any evidence of either. But even if that were true it doesn't explain both Raffaele and Rudy's involvement. Three crazies just happen to meet up and killed Mez? Two of which show every sign of being quality and well balanced people.

Hmm mm
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Actual MENSA members don't feel the need to introduce themselves as such. It's the impostors that try and slip it into the conversation. It doesn't take too long to separate the wheat from the chaff.
 
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Vixen said:
Whatever the fact of the matter, Amanda was not invited to her Halloween party, nor the dinner with friends next day.
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So? Why is your mind closed to the truth? The evidence is that they were burgeoning freinds.
 
acbytesla said:
Of course it doesn't. But for the totally bizarre to have happened there must be conclusive proof. If you told me you won the 400 million dollar lottery, I'd ask to see the ticket.

Let's be honest for a change. Also let's think about this. We know that Amanda and Raffaele were at the crime scene before and after the murder. They were there when Meredith woke up on November 1st. There also is no evidence of a cleanup or a staged burglary or rape. Claiming these things is not proving them.




That was one person. Try finding 3 sociopaths that don't really know each other. And since you are saying that Amanda and Raffaele are sociopsths, where is your proof? What psychiatrist examined Amanda and Raffaele and testified that these 2 young people were sociopaths? What was the doctor's name and on what date did he testify? Or is this like all your arguments and totally devoid of credible evidence to back up your claim?

Keep in mind Vixen, that Massei who convicted the two did not say what you are claiming.
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It's for the defense to put this forward as a defence. They don't of course, as it likely means a longer sentence, not less. I read somewhere that 33.3% of all prison inmates are sociopathic.
 
Vixen said:
Sergei, please get a grip. If there are tensions between you and your roommate, the easiest way to deal with it is to avoid him or her. There is no reason to be uncivil and fight them. Mez was a very nice kind girl and she politely avoided Amanda in the kindest and politest way possible.

Amanda "no friends" found herself all dressed up and nowhere to go.
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Seriously?

Poor Amanda, no place to go but to her new rich boyfriend.:D
 
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Vixen said:
Sigh. Mez' group of friends, most of whom she met in Perugia.
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Not good enough.

Your intention is to portray Amanda as having been snubbed by Kercher. So, your initial premise is that the party list was in Kercher's control, that ALL her friends were invited and that Amanda was deliberately not invited by Kercher, whose discretion was to invite her if she chose to do so and that the reason she didn't invite her was because she didn't like her.

Well, let's explore the premise of your argument.

Whose party was it and who was invited? If you don't know, just say so.

Are you done with trying to insist on text messages that were never sent? Can't find that evidence eh?
 
Vixen said:
It's for the defense to put this forward as a defence. They don't of course, as it likely means a longer sentence, not less. I read somewhere that 33.3% of all prison inmates are sociopathic.
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Nonsense. Stop reversing the burden of proof. You're the one claiming that Amanda and Raffaele are sociopaths. It's up to you to prove it. Or would you rather just bloviate?

I think I know the answer.

Also, you think that's a credible citation? That you read somewhere that 1/3rd of all inmates are sociopaths? This is you problem Vixen, you believe too much of what you read.
 
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Does it really matter who was invited where, who got on with who or who texted what to who?

The evidence was presented to the courts and at the end of the process the court found that the evidence proved one thing.

Amanda and Raff are not guilty of the murder of Meredith Kercher.
 
Vixen said:
Mr Tesla, do you mind my asking what is your relationship to the pair, as you blindly and staunchly deny all evidence as having an innocuous reason.
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LMAO. What evidence? Please, what evidence? Saying things doesn't make it so Vixen. It takes more than hot air. Give me some real evidence that proves their guilt and I'll bring the rope.

It doesn't exist. What you have are cops saying there were multiple perps involved or that the burglary was staged or the bath mat print belonged to Raffaele. But they sure as hell didn't come close to proving any of those things. In fact the evidence is incredibly equivocal. I'm of the show me school.

I also think it is dumbest idea imaginable that Raffaele would just join in and help a girl murder her roommate. Why? For the sex? This kid is a very smart computer engineer. He thinks through everything. No way in hell.
 
Vixen said:
Source: Andrew Hodges, as cited. His source: WTBH.
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Bill Williams said:
There's the problem right there. Hodges is a charlatan, putting a meaning to what is in WTBH that is not remotely reasonable.

But thank you for citing your sources. Hopefully you'll do more of that.
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Andrew Hodges, with his "thoughtprint decoding" is a complete charlatan. He joins a long list of charlatans embedding themselves into cases like this to sell their snake oil.

The first indication that he's a charlatan? Foremost is that he comes to conclusions which no legitimate forensic psychologist/analyst would come to, even after encountering the subject in question in a controlled clinical setting.

What he's "discovered" about Barack Obama, the JonBenet Ramsay murder and others is complete bunk. That he can sell books is proof of P.T. Barnum's quip.
 
Mr Fied said:
Does it really matter who was invited where, who got on with who or who texted what to who?

The evidence was presented to the courts and at the end of the process the court found that the evidence proved one thing.

Amanda and Raff are not guilty of the murder of Meredith Kercher.
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Even the evidence as presented to the Massei court in 2009 caused Judge Massei to write in his 2010 motivations report that Meredith and Amanda had a friendly relationship. Meredith's boyfriend at the time testified to this.

Since 2009, there have been many trying to reverse the record on this point as established at the Massei trial - yes, even the one which provisionally convicted them.

Meredith and Amanda were friends. At the Nencini trial, it took Judge Nencini to, out of the blue, suddenly accept Rudy Guede (the real killer) as truthful - the story of an argument over rent money comes from Rudy and Rudy alone.
 
Bill Williams said:
Andrew Hodges, with his "thoughtprint decoding" is a complete charlatan. He joins a long list of charlatans embedding themselves into cases like this to sell their snake oil.

The first indication that he's a charlatan? Foremost is that he comes to conclusions which no legitimate forensic psychologist/analyst would come to, even after encountering the subject in question in a controlled clinical setting.

What he's "discovered" about Barack Obama, the JonBenet Ramsay murder and others is complete bunk. That he can sell books is proof of P.T. Barnum's quip.
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All this and he gets the actual evidence wrong. There's some videos of him on YouTube. He's nuts.
 
Vixen said:
Just because a crime doesn't make sense, it doesn't mean it didn't happen. From the hard physical evidence, we know Raff and Amanda were at the scene of the crime. If Rudy was sole perp, there is no explanation for Raff and Amanda's presence, the later clean up (which they were doing an awful lot that night!), the staged rape and the staged burglary. The kids were not covering up for Rudy, for sure.

Some girl shot her class peers because, "I don't like Mondays".

For a sociopath no deep reason required.
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They got a black criminal to leave all the primary evidence. The only matchable prints. The only DNA on the body. It was always a possibility he would take all the blame. You find this surprising? Rudy had the chance to spill the beans on AK and RS but made up obviously false stories instead. In some ways you have to commend them for pulling off such a brilliant crime. Every white killer in prison would have loved to have a shifty criminal like Rudy come rape their victim's corpse and walk around in their blood before the crime scene unit shows up.
 
Kauffer said:
All this and he gets the actual evidence wrong. There's some videos of him on YouTube. He's nuts.
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He truly is, and his book on this case is preposterous, sensationalist and plain wrong.

What's also rather amusing is the number of pro-guilt commentators who believe that this is the same person who's a highly respected mathematician and science author, who wrote an excellent biography of Bletchley Park codebreaker Alan Turing. (Hint to morons: they are two entirely different people sharing the name Andrew Hodges. The one who wrote the Kercher book is a weird charlatan who has zero respect in the publishing industry or in academic circles)
 
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