Global warming discussion IV

[a_unique_person]

Eight storms at once.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-...orms-strike-marshall-islands-and-guam/6595124

Eight systems threaten region

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) is tracking eight large storm systems across the Pacific which are threatening several western Pacific nations and the Philippines.
Divers searching for survivors from the Philippines' latest ferry disaster have had to delay their work as the waters became choppy due to Tropical Storm Linfa, brushing to the east of the nation over the weekend, said chief superintendent Asher Dolina, one of the ground commanders.

 

[aleCcowaN]

Well, the intertropical region (40% of the planet -kidding, just 39.8%-) has been obstinately warmed >1°C above the 20th century's average in the last few months, what is itself quite the thing. The tropical Pacific deals with about a third of all the Earth's solar energy "pittance", so no wonder the planet shakes when this region ruffles.

 

[Arnold Martin]

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Time for a breath of fresh air

Several Fantastic Hockey Stick Graphs we can believe in

http://euanmearns.com/fossil-fuels-and-mankind/

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[aleCcowaN]

[crickets]


Is there someone to bite the bait?

 

[macdoc]

Time for a breath of fresh air

if you have any please let us know, most is polluted by the archaic and increasingly unnecessary use of fossil fuels.
Meanwhile do you have any climate science to contribute???.... instead of an article from a wank supported by the fossil fuel industry.

 

[Fudbucker]

Where I'm at (high desert just North of L.A.), we've had the hottest June ever. Something like twenty straight days of 100+ degrees. We're usually in the low-mid 90's in June, with some 100+ days at the end of the month.

We also had an unusually warm winter. My class's P.E. time is 8 a.m., and there were only a few days we had to cancel because of the weather.

 

[aleCcowaN]

My anecdotal information valid for about 0.4% of the surface of the Earth is that we have had a very warm Autumn, with air conditioners working until May and even some days of June; and Winter is quite mild so far.

The novelty this year were the deciduous trees. They resisted to lose their leaves until we were almost at equinox. For instance, one month ago there were still a lot of specimens of white ash, an exotic species (fraxinus americana), nowadays the most common street tree in Buenos Aires, as it bears pollution and wasted soils, I was saying, there were a lot of specimens with half their leaves green and half their leaves yellow. They lost all their remaining leaves around June 15, a week before Winter equinox.

On the other hand, there are little vegetables and fruit, and they are pretty expensive. Not because of cold, or drought, or frosts. Because the weather was so unusual all over the Southern Cone, that farmers were forced to manage a lot of plagues and problems they weren't familiar with. For instance, yesterday I paid for 2 pounds of onion the same price than I paid for one pound of quality minced beef, and even with that price, the onions were "ill".

 

[Arnold Martin]

if you have any please let us know, most is polluted by the archaic and increasingly unnecessary use of fossil fuels.
Meanwhile do you have any climate science to contribute???.... instead of an article from a wank supported by the fossil fuel industry.

As a matter of fact we have no fresh air in Alberta , Saskatchewan , or Manitoba , been that way for over a week now , the planet has set itself on fire with lightning strikes and the forests are burning.

It has become so bad the sun is not shining through , it is like a cloudy overcast sky , we need a week of rain

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[aleCcowaN]

The famous Ridiculously Resilient Ridge is back this Winter so, no wonder. Maybe Eastern Manitoba may be spared, once all ice in Hudson Bay is melted along with most of Beaufort's.

 

[macdoc]

As a matter of fact we have no fresh air in Alberta , Saskatchewan , or Manitoba , been that way for over a week now , the planet has set itself on fire with lightning strikes and the forests are burning.

The planet ????!!!! ....

of course it's just a random act with no human component ......rather it is one of the expected outcomes of a warming planet.

As I said.....when you find some fresh air....let us know.

Is Global Warming Fueling Increased Wildfire Risks? | Union ...
www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/.../global...
Union of Concerned Scientists
The effects of global warming are turning many of our forests into kindling during wildfire season.

Global Warming and Wildfires - National Wildlife Federation
www.nwf.org/.../Global-Warming/Global-W...
National Wildlife Federation
Wildfire frequency, severity and damages are increasing because of rising temperatures, drying conditions and more lightning brought by global warming.

 

[Reality Check]

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Time for a breath of fresh air

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Time to cite a blog post that has nothing to so with the climate, Arnold Martin !

We all know that fossil fuel usage has increased in a "hockey stick" manner.
We all know that the actual hockey stick graph has been verified many times: What evidence is there for the hockey stick?
We all know that there is a connection - more burning of fossil fuels = more CO2 = we are driving global warming.

Thanks for stating the obvious!

 

[Reality Check]

On 22 June 2015 there was the Nature Climate Change paper Attribution of climate extreme events
See New study links global warming to Hurricane Sandy and other extreme weather events .

This week we have a Nature letter: Contribution of changes in atmospheric circulation patterns to extreme temperature trends.
See More evidence that global warming is intensifying extreme weather

The authors show that as the Earth warms, we expect fewer cold temperature events generally. But, in some cases the circulation changes has led to extreme cold outbreaks in some regions. What has happened is that the arctic front, which typically confines cold weather to the Arctic region, has undulated sufficiently to allow cold-air breakouts to the south. Think of the polar vortex from last year.
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It’s important to note that the authors do not explicitly attribute the trends to human causes or natural causes. The authors state clearly that we need a deeper understanding of the causes of the trends they’ve found. In particular, a future step will be to separate human-causes from natural variability in the climate on the decadal scale.

 

[Trakar]

On 22 June 2015 there was the Nature Climate Change paper Attribution of climate extreme events
See New study links global warming to Hurricane Sandy and other extreme weather events .

This week we have a Nature letter: Contribution of changes in atmospheric circulation patterns to extreme temperature trends.
See More evidence that global warming is intensifying extreme weather

I also ran across an EU study linking their current heat wave to climate change, I'll check my working cache this evening and see if I can locate it.

 

[Trakar]

“Marine Animals And Humans Closer To Danger Due To Climate Change”

“Marine Animals And Humans Closer To Danger Due To Climate Change” - http://www.apextribune.com/marine-animals-and-humans-closer-to-danger-due-to-climate-change/25830/

The paper, published in the journal Science, informs that as our oceans are warming up, the water is losing much need oxygen and that the carbon dioxide (CO2) is making the environment much more acidic and less friendly for a good number of aquatic creatures.
(…)Professor Ove Hoegh-Guldberg, director of the University of Queensland’s Global Change Institute gave a statement saying that “There is high confidence that many marine organisms, their communities and ecosystems are undergoing fundamental change as the world’s oceans warm, acidify and lose oxygen”.
He went on to add that scientists generally agree that many marine species are already experiencing fundamental changes in their biology, communities and ecosystems due to the rising temperature.
Twenty-two (22) of the world’s leading marine scientists worked on the report, and they urge world leaders to pay more attention to what climate change is doing to the oceans. They inform that the burning of fossil fuels is changing our waters on a chemical level and causing changes to happen quicker than any natural event that came after the nefarious Great Dying, which took place 250 million years ago.
They say that statistically speaking, so far the ocean has absorbed almost 30 percent (30%) of the carbon dioxide produced by humans since 1750, and no less than 90 percent (90%) of the additional heat the industrial society has been responsible for since 1750. Heat absorption is a problem in and of its own as it makes it harder for the ocean water to retain oxygen.
What’s impressive is that many marine organisms are known to be capable of lower oxygen levels, higher temperatures or a decrease in pH. The problem is that they are not equipped to survive all of these changes happening at the same time.

(link to paper mentioned in article – “Contrasting futures for ocean and society from different anthropogenic CO2 emissions scenarios” Article in Science 349(6243):aac4722 July 2015 DOI: 10.1126/science.aac4722 - http://sciences.blogs.liberation.fr/files/gattuso150703.pdf)

To my considerations it has always been the simultaneous impact of so many factors that is the hardship which leads to extinction events, I don’t know why so many seem to expect that the current situation should be an exception to this basic premise established through the geologic record?

 

[hgus]

To my considerations it has always been the simultaneous impact of so many factors that is the hardship which leads to extinction events, I don’t know why so many seem to expect that the current situation should be an exception to this basic premise established through the geologic record?

I think it is our inability to understand the time scale, or what I would like to call "the boiling frog syndrome". Extinction events sounds like a sudden, horrible event. Like something out of a catastrophe movie. What we see in the present is a slow process. Nothing much is happening that has not always happened, just a little bit more here and there. How can this be an extinction event? That things are going very, very fast on a geological time scale is hard to internalize for most people, I think.

 

[a_unique_person]

I think it is our inability to understand the time scale, or what I would like to call "the boiling frog syndrome". Extinction events sounds like a sudden, horrible event. Like something out of a catastrophe movie. What we see in the present is a slow process. Nothing much is happening that has not always happened, just a little bit more here and there. How can this be an extinction event? That things are going very, very fast on a geological time scale is hard to internalize for most people, I think.

In geological time this is happening in the blink of an eye.

 

[aleCcowaN]

And frogs don't boil in the real world. That's a myth. However the analogy, though factually false, is very illustrating.

 

[macdoc]

Excellent graphic from an unlikely source...

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/

 

[DarthFishy]

Is there a Saffer in the thread? We have 3/4 of the Southern Ocean land masses covered - might be interesting to compare effects of the El Nino across the globe.

South African here. Let me know, what you want to know

So far, based purely on personal experience, we've had a relatively mild winter (excepting a couple of cold spells caused by snow in some of the colder parts of SA).

 

[The Atheist]

South African here. Let me know, what you want to know

So far, based purely on personal experience, we've had a relatively mild winter (excepting a couple of cold spells caused by snow in some of the colder parts of SA).

Good on ya! I knew there'd be one somewhere.

That's exactly how it's been here.