Continuation Part 16: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[zotz]

From what I recall,
NOPE!

In spite of being badgered for months by judges, prosecutors, lawyers, etc...to "tell the truth", it isn't until March 3 that Rudy puts Amanda at the scene of the crime. It is unbelievable that any judge could use Rudy's statements as evidence for what happened. Of course they used Toto, Nara, and Quintavalle.
And we mustn't forget the colorful Koko. It is the classic spaghetti thrown against the wall technique. This case will provide astonishment to us for years.

 

[zotz]

I can't help but notice that people aren't discussing the Marasca motivations report. I'm speculating here, but apparently the reason is that it hasn't been released. That seems like a minor impediment. Still I can see how a complete lack of information can stifle discussion sometimes.

But what's the deal? Is the court rapped up in deep disagreements about what the report should say? Maybe they're just procrastinating? I can certainly relate to that possibility given my own propensity for procrastination.

I read a post on the IIP site that said that Judge Micheli took 22 months to release the MR for the Narducci case and it turned out to be almost 1,000 pages long. So, this 90 day time limit is more of a goal, not a deadline.
In other words, it will take as long as it needs to take. This case, I'm sure you'll agree is very complex and they have to address and criticize not only lower courts but a different section of their of their own court.

So, I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[MichaelB]

Sorry Grinder,
I do not know of the 2 different newspapers sources.
Guede was on the run, apparently in Dusseldorf, Germany at the time.
Did a reporter interview some of his friends?
Or were these 2 different reports given out by The Police?

Surely these 2 reports were not from PIP
or us groupies, The Friends of Amanda+[SIZE="-7"]Raffaele[/SIZE] , right?


I've tried a few times over the years,
with Oggi, and a few Italian newspapers.
Doin' the same stuff I do when diggin' up old archival info on Great White Sharks
here in Los Angeles, Ventura and the rest of Southern California...

Just the other day I noted that our bro-ette Christianahannah luvs usin' Corriere della Sera too
as I browsed thru this old link, which I wonder if many of the newer members of The Group who post here knew of:
The Massei/Mignini Conspiracy Theory
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200115

A guy named Giles Watson translated some of the Corriere della Sera Italian articles into English,
it made an easy to follow read. Too bad he doesn't translate all of their articles...

Corriere della Sera has a great archival system,
it's kinda easy to figure out,
here's a link to search with:
http://sitesearch.corriere.it/siteSearchEngine.action#

Type your request where it says Cerca, hit the magnifyin' glass,
and have a look on the left side for the years you wanna read.
Don't see the year? Click altri below the last year visable,
ta-da, the 2007 year and others are available.

Below,
here's some of the early stuff which is interesting when "poor Rudy" got busted in Germany and sent back to Italy, and is then interrogated by Judge Matteini and PM Mignini for 8 hours on Dec. 7th, 2007. Translate 'em if ya want, I have...

Dec. 7, 2007 article:
http://www.corriere.it/cronache/07_...de_7e358a9e-a4b4-11dc-ac05-0003ba99c667.shtml

Dec. 8, 2007 article:
http://www.corriere.it/cronache/07_...ni_831b1dde-a55f-11dc-87a0-0003ba99c53b.shtml

Dec. 14, 2007 article:
http://www.corriere.it/cronache/07_...ne_8cf639c6-aa44-11dc-abc2-0003ba99c53b.shtml

Dec. 15, 2007 article:
http://www.corriere.it/cronache/07_...th_6a86fc54-aae9-11dc-a893-0003ba99c53b.shtml

Thanks for those links. I've made a new page for all the old articles and added those ones to the collection.

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/media-reports-2007/

 

[Planigale]

It's my understanding that Meredith was having a period when killed and that the autopsy had found her still wearing a tampon, which may explain why Guede didn't fully rape her.

As for Guede escaping once Meredith returned home, going thru the broken window in a rush would seem foolhardy. A better exit would have been via the patio doors and jump down from there, but Meredith may have spotted him before that, so he decided to kill the witness.

Also, there's no evidence that Guede was on the toilet when Meredith arrived home. Guede obviously had used the toilet at some point, but it may have been after the murder?

In any event, at some point poor Meredith surprised Guede somewhere in the cottage, and things quickly went downhill from there.

OJ Simpson quickly killed two adults (ex-wife Nicole Simpson & Ron Goldman) with a knife on her condo's front steps, and not one of her many neighbors heard a peep. Experts testified that OJ's deadly attack probably lasted under a minute.

Nicole Simpson & Ron Goldman likely were killed without much noise since they were both surprised and they never had much of a chance to react, shout or scream.

OJ likely walked up to them with the knife behind his back ...OJ may even have been smiling as he approached them. OJ would have likely stabbed unsuspecting Ron Goldman first, and Nicole likely had a short opportunity to scream, but she may have been frozen in disbelief at what she was witnessing?

Since she knew him by sight, Meredith would have been initially confused by finding Guede in her cottage. E.g., was Guede Amanda's invited guest? As Meredith likely tried sorting out why Guede was there, Guede suddenly attacked, so Meredith was surely incapacitated rather quickly.

I think this a misinterpretation of the autopsy. A tampon generically is just a pad to absorb blood or secretions. A tampon was inserted to collect vaginal secretions for forensic analysis. I think people saw a mention of a tampon and made the assumption that this was for menstrual reasons. I can recall no mention of her menstruating.

 

[Planigale]

She was naked in a pool of blood, her clothes were stripped from her by force, cuts and bruises all over her body, DNA from the suspect inside her vagina, a semen stain between her legs...but there was no sign of rape according to the "experts". The experts also said that covering the dead victim with a blanket was an indication of a female attacker. Do you believe that?

I agree that the psychological evidence against Rudy is mostly speculation but that is only because the prosecution and the gutter press stopped investigating him, except for Nina. He didn't sell newspapers and he was a problem for the prosecution because he was a distraction from the main target (you know who). This investigation was not truth driven. It was Amanda driven.

Mignini was Captain Ahab and Amanda was the White Whale.

Post mortem identification of rape is notoriously difficult. There are no clear features to distinguish between consensual sex and non-consensual sex.

 

[Strozzi]

In recent discussions about Rudi in the bathroom and his exit from it, we do not know what Rudi knew of the layout of the upstairs flat.

Did Rudi know that the flat had two bathrooms? Was he concerned that he was hiding in the only bathroom in the flat? Did he fear that the resident who came home a few minutes earlier would soon come to use the bathroom where he was hiding?

The bathroom where Rudi was hiding was accessed through a small narrow laundry room. The front door foyer is next to that. The door to Filomena's bedroom is a few feet from the front door foyer. Upon exiting the bathroom for the front door, and finding it locked, Rudi should have snuck quietly back into Filomena's room to exit through her window. (He would not have been seen if Meredith was in her bedroom or bathroom.) He went after Meredith instead.

Ken Dine recently suggested that an easier exit for Rudi, rather than climb out of Filomena's window, would have been the balcony door. That is in the small hall that passes in front of Amanda's and Meredith's bedrooms. That hall, their two bedrooms, and bathroom are in a separate wing off the main part of the flat. There is no indication that Rudi explored that part of the flat. He may not have known of the balcony door.

Two time points that we have are that Meredith arrived at her flat at about 9:02 pm and that Rudi reported that he heard Meredith scream so loudly that he was concerned that people in the street might have heard it. He said the scream was at about 9:20 pm. I think Rudi was hiding in the bathroom for about 18 minutes when Meredith discovered him at about 9:20.

What was Meredith doing between returning home at 9:02 pm and screaming at 9:20? When she was attacked Meredith had not yet removed her jacket, had not yet called her mother whom she had attempted to call a few minutes before 9 during her walk home but had not gotten through, apparently due to poor phone signal in the narrow streets, and she had not yet moved her laundry (did she even remember when she came home that evening that she had wet clothes that needed to be moved to the dryer?). Did she go downstairs to tend the guys's cat for some of that time? Was she in her room? Doing what? We know she was not on her phone. Was she in her bathroom for a prolonged period?

 

[carbonjam72]

I read a post on the IIP site that said that Judge Micheli took 22 months to release the MR for the Narducci case and it turned out to be almost 1,000 pages long. So, this 90 day time limit is more of a goal, not a deadline.
In other words, it will take as long as it needs to take. This case, I'm sure you'll agree is very complex and they have to address and criticize not only lower courts but a different section of their of their own court.

So, I wouldn't hold my breath.

Hellman did it in 2 months (October-december 2011), IIRC about 135 pages.

Nencini took 90 days & had 325 pages?

Only new evidence was 2nd test of DNA from knife that came up as Amanda.

Seems like Hellman plus ought to do it, I estimate 175 pages. Maybe their waiting for the July 4th holiday to avoid the US news cycle?

 

[Kauffer]

In recent discussions about Rudi in the bathroom and his exit from it, we do not know what Rudi knew of the layout of the upstairs flat.

Did Rudi know that the flat had two bathrooms? Was he concerned that he was hiding in the only bathroom in the flat? Did he fear that the resident who came home a few minutes earlier would soon come to use the bathroom where he was hiding?

Ken Dine recently suggested that an easier exit for Rudi, rather than climb out of Filomena's window, would have been the balcony door. That is in the small hall that passes in front of Ananda's and Meredith's bedrooms. There is no indication that Rudi explored that part of the flat. He may not have known of the balcony door.

Two time points that we have are that Meredith arrived at her flat at about 9:02 pm and that Rudi reported that he heard Meredith scream so loudly that he was concerned that people in the street might have heard it. He said the scream was at about 9:20 pm. I think Rudi was hiding in the bathroom for about 18 minutes when Meredith discovered him at about 9:20.

What was Meredith doing between returning home at 9:02 pm and screaming at 9:20? Meredith had not yet removed her jacket, had not yet called her mother whom she had attempted to call a few minutes before 9 during her walk home but had not gotten through, apparently due to poor phone signal in the narrow streets, and she had not yet moved her laundry (did she even remember when she came home that evening that she had wet clothes that needed to be moved to the dryer?). Did she go downstairs to tend the guys's cat for some of that time? Was she in her room? Doing what? (We know she was not on her phone.) Was she in her bathroom (for a prolonged period)?

Coming into the apartment through Romanelli's window out of her door into the hallway, I would expect that he would have orientated himself and instinctively learned the approximate layout including the location of the terrace doors.

Could Kercher have gone to tend to the cats and water the plants downstairs on her return? That's an interesting idea. It would push out the timing of the confrontation conceivably by as much as ten or fifteen minutes.

 

[Kauffer]

Hellman did it in 2 months (October-december 2011), IIRC about 135 pages.

Nencini took 90 days & had 325 pages?

Only new evidence was 2nd test of DNA from knife that came up as Amanda.

Seems like Hellman plus ought to do it, I estimate 175 pages. Maybe their waiting for the July 4th holiday to avoid the US news cycle?

What about the Chieffi report? What were the timings?

 

[carbonjam72]

In recent discussions about Rudi in the bathroom and his exit from it, we do not know what Rudi knew of the layout of the upstairs flat.

Did Rudi know that the flat had two bathrooms? Was he concerned that he was hiding in the only bathroom in the flat? Did he fear that the resident who came home a few minutes earlier would soon come to use the bathroom where he was hiding?

Ken Dine recently suggested that an easier exit for Rudi, rather than climb out of Filomena's window, would have been the balcony door. That is in the small hall that passes in front of Amanda's and Meredith's bedrooms. That hall, their two bedrooms, and bathroom are in a separate wing off the main part of the flat. There is no indication that Rudi explored that part of the flat. He may not have known of the balcony door.

Two time points that we have are that Meredith arrived at her flat at about 9:02 pm and that Rudi reported that he heard Meredith scream so loudly that he was concerned that people in the street might have heard it. He said the scream was at about 9:20 pm. I think Rudi was hiding in the bathroom for about 18 minutes when Meredith discovered him at about 9:20.
What was Meredith doing between returning home at 9:02 pm and screaming at 9:20? When she was attacked Meredith had not yet removed her jacket, had not yet called her mother whom she had attempted to call a few minutes before 9 during her walk home but had not gotten through, apparently due to poor phone signal in the narrow streets, and she had not yet moved her laundry (did she even remember when she came home that evening that she had wet clothes that needed to be moved to the dryer?). Did she go downstairs to tend the guys's cat for some of that time? Was she in her room? Doing what? We know she was not on her phone. Was she in her bathroom for a prolonged period?

I agree with the hilite, Rudy's story I think is probably true on this point.

And Meredith going downstairs first to feed the cat, etc, would let Rudy know that Meredtih has the keys to the downstairs apartment, and fill in Rudy's story about hearing a noise downstairs too.

Also there was some dispute over whether Meredith stopped in the kitchen and had a mushroom from the fridge. But I think going downstaors to feed the cat may be a pretty good guess. We don't know if she came home upstairs first, then went downstairs, or started downstairs, or didn't go downstairs at all. But it would add a lot of info for Rudy if he heard her come home, use the keys to enter and leave, and then head downstairs, and then return upstairs again (locking Rudy in at every stage, and complicating an exit without being seen even as Meredtih went downstairs). A lot of info about Meredith's keys that Rudy might have remembered for later use, maybe when he sat on the bed after the crime?

 

[carbonjam72]

What about the Chieffi report? What were the timings?

Don't know. Must have been argued, and then a decision that day or the next? Don't know how long it took to generate a report from that. But that's a good point, this motivation has to deal with Chieffi, and really all the decisions to some degree.

I'm still guessing it clocks in at 175 pages.

Anyone else care to guess the length? (Bill W, take a spin?)

 

[Strozzi]

I agree with the hilite, Rudy's story I think is probably true on this point.

And Meredith going downstairs first to feed the cat, etc, would let Rudy know that Meredtih has the keys to the downstairs apartment, and fill in Rudy's story about hearing a noise downstairs too.

Also there was some dispute over whether Meredith stopped in the kitchen and had a mushroom from the fridge. But I think going downstaors to feed the cat may be a pretty good guess. We don't know if she came home upstairs first, then went downstairs, or started downstairs, or didn't go downstairs at all. But it would add a lot of info for Rudy if he heard her come home, use the keys to enter and leave, and then head downstairs, and then return upstairs again (locking Rudy in at every stage, and complicating an exit without being seen even as Meredtih went downstairs). A lot of info about Meredith's keys that Rudy might have remembered for later use, maybe when he sat on the bed after the crime?

If Rudi were in the bathroom and heard someone enter, go out again, followed by noise downstairs, that would have been his time to flee. If Meredith had locked the front door from the outside, preventing his exit through the front door, he should have gone back to Filimena's room and be at the window ready to climb down as soon as he was sure nobody downstairs would see him. That did not happen.

ETA: The spare keys to the downstair flat was found by police hanging on a hook on the wall inside the front door of the women's flat. Meredith might have returned home, locked the front door as she entered, gone to her room where she placed down her purse and the book she had borrowed from her girlfriend, grabbed the guys' keys, gone downstairs to tend the cat, returned, locked the front door, hung the keys up on the wall in her front door foyer (where police found them), and then immediately or very soon thereafter discovered Rudi. Scream at 9:20. That would account for the time between 9:02 and 9:20. The fact that she was home for 18 minutes without yet taking off her jacket or calling her mother again suggests to me that she was not idle in her room all that time.

Unless, she returned home, went to her room, and started reading the borrowed book and was so interested in it that calling her mother again slipped her mind. Unlikely?

 

[carbonjam72]

If Rudi were in the bathroom and heard someone enter, go out again followed by noise downstairs, that would have been his time to flee. If Meredith had locked the front door from the outside, preventing his exit through the front door, he should have gone back to Filimena's room and be at the window ready to climb down as soon as he was sure nobody downstairs would see him. That did not happen.

How could he be sure no one would see him? He knows that one of the girls would is downstairs, leaving or staying are both high risk, and no telling how well Rudy would be thinking on his feet now that his plan went awry.

Assumptions from afar about what Rudy or anyone MUST HAVE or SHOULD HAVE or COULD EASILY HAVE DONE, all made after the fact, have very limited explanatory value, imo.

Lets look at what evidence there is and what we know did happen, then we can discuss. If you make these blanket assumptions at key junctures, it just makes it impossible to discuss without adopting your assumptions, which no offense, is a bit confining.

 

[Kauffer]

Don't know. Must have been argued, and then a decision that day or the next? Don't know how long it took to generate a report from that. But that's a good point, this motivation has to deal with Chieffi, and really all the decisions to some degree.

I'm still guessing it clocks in at 175 pages.
Anyone else care to guess the length? (Bill W, take a spin?)

Shorter. Much shorter.

 

[carbonjam72]

Shorter. Much shorter.

Ok, but in fairness, can you pick a page length?

2nd, I think cassation was pissed. They were reportedly steaming when the prosecutor started talking about a careful clean-up (DNA, fingerprints, footsteps in wet blood). I think there's lots of explaining to do, crazy crap evidence to address, and I think they want to put some blame on the table. They said a retrial isn't necessary. So they have to justify that decision. Just MOO.

 

[Strozzi]

How could he be sure no one would see him? He knows that one of the girls would is downstairs, leaving or staying are both high risk, and no telling how well Rudy would be thinking on his feet now that his plan went awry.

Assumptions from afar about what Rudy or anyone MUST HAVE or SHOULD HAVE or COULD EASILY HAVE DONE, all made after the fact, have very limited explanatory value, imo.

Lets look at what evidence there is and what we know did happen, then we can discuss. If you make these blanket assumptions at key junctures, it just makes it impossible to discuss without adopting your assumptions, which no offense, is a bit confining.

I and a few others are trying to understand why Rudi attacked rather than fled. Even with the front door locked, Rudi had an exit path - back through Filomena's room and out her window. He missed that opportunity.

Some wonder if Rudi was so lustful and out of control that he moved in on Meredith to coerce her into sex, with no murderous intent.

Others think something caused Rudi, who should have fled, to suddenly attack her instead. (I think this is what happened. She discovered him and screamed loudly - so loudly that he thought people in the street might hear - and instead of fleeing he attacked to quiet the scream.)

I'm also trying to understand what she was doing for 18 minutes without calling her mother again. It is the prelude to the moment she discovered Rudi and screamed at 9:20 pm. (Going downstairs to tend the cat would explain/account for the jacket on, failure to call her mom again, and Rudi's report of hearing noise downstairs.)

 

[MichaelB]

There's another new book out by some fraud called Andrew G. Hodges claiming to be a doctor. Have a look at the free peak inside. The reconstruction is as sick and as perverted as Nick Van der Leek's.

http://www.amazon.com/As-Done-Unto-...?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1435755428&sr=1-1

Just before he started, Amanda suddenly interrupted and made Meredith touch his erection. She commanded: "You prude. You didn't want to touch my vibrator, now touch Rudy. While Rudy raped her, Meredith suffered Amanda's tireles taunts. "Say it, what did you call me? Say it....slut, slut. For a second Amanda slackened her grasp on her throat to allow Meredith to mumble, slut."

The guy is a quack. He's also written a book about Obama.

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Now psychiatrist and forensic profiler Dr. Andrew G. Hodges gets inside the mind of a different kind of deceiver, an unscrupulous politician: Barack Obama. While Obama appears a likeable figure on the outside, he reveals another side to his personality—a shadow side. And the powerful forces that drive it are hidden, even from him.

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On the surface, readers will follow him from his controversial birth, to his Muslim childhood, to his earliest indoctrination by radical left-wing activists, and finally to his historic ascension to the White House. But below the surface, where the super intelligence reigns, Obama’s story takes some utterly unexpected turns as he answers every question about himself—and then some.

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What does he truthfully tell us about his birth certificate?

What does he tell us about the question as to whom his father really was?

What about his true religion—did he authentically convert to Christianity or just to get elected by a largely Judeo-Christian electorate? Or does he harbor in his heart of hearts loyalty to Islam, the religion of his birth and early educative environment?

Deep down, what does Obama have to say about race relations in today's America?

What does he passionately believe is America’s greatest problem?

Does his super intelligence have a vision for America which unites us in constructive ways? Or is his method solely to destroy traditional American culture and politics?

While consciously he is ardently pro-choice—he was the only senator to favor partial-birth abortion—what does his super intelligence have to say on the question of life?

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[carbonjam72]

I and a few others are trying to understand why Rudi attacked rather than fled. Even with the front door locked, Rudi had an exit path - back through Filomena's room and out her window. He missed that opportunity.
Some wonder if Rudi was so lustful and out of control that he moved in on Meredith to coerce her into sex, with no murderous intent.

Others think something caused Rudi, who should have fled, to suddenly attack her instead. (I think this is what happened. She discovered him and screamed loudly - so loudly that he thought people in the street might hear - and instead of fleeing he attacked to quiet the scream.)
I'm also trying to understand what she was doing for 18 minutes without calling her mother again. It is the prelude to the moment she discovered Rudi and screamed at 9:20 pm. (Going downstairs to tend the cat would explain/account for the jacket on, failure to call her mom again, and Rudi's report of hearing noise downstairs.)

Yes, I think you're right on the money here.

I think you're right when you say Rudy was discovered and Meredtih screamed. If Rudy tries the door and its locked, and that activity causes Meredith to be alerted to his presence and start screaming, or at any time before he tries the front door, Rudy's options are now way more limited.

Leaving before Meredtih starts screaming is an option. Once she starts screaming, it changes things. So saying, Rudy "had the option to leave, but didn't" is kind of sloppy thinking, IUAM.

I'm agreeing with your analysis here, and the part about Meredith going downstairs to feed the cats, fills a gap in time that had been bothering me for a while. Why did Rudy say 9:20 when we know she came home at about 9pm? The downstairs cat feeding would cover that, and the jacket still on, and the fact she was found in her room where the struggle took place, and if you look at the floor plan layout Grinder posted a few pages up thread, everything fits.

The story you've laid out, which I and others agree with, seems to me to be the correct one as to the events leading up to the assault.

Attributing super rationality to Rudy after the fact at our remove to complicate a simple narrative isn't persuasive to me. At this point, I'd need to see evidence that contradicts what you've laid out, imo.

 

[Grinder]

Heya
Heck,
it only seems that 2 of Italy's best newspapers had this info while Rudy was in Germany. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the info seems to have become public knowledge right around the time when Rudy Guede was busted by the German police?

Maybe Rudy told them this himself,
like he did the story about the South American
or was it, the North African, that let him sleep at the Kiddy's School.
What do ya think?
RW

Gee,

I don't know nor do I see why even if it was true that he was hanging with some brothers and the man shook them down and found some pot, it would mean anything.

Was he busted for it? Did he do time for it?

ETA - You forgot part of the garbage comment:

While in Rome continue the analysis of the artifacts seized at the home of Raffaele Sollecito and get conflicting reports. The 'examination of the computer on which the student of Giovinazzo says he spent the night of 1 November does not show traces of activity from 21 to 6 in the morning. And according to rumors blood Meredith would have been recognized not only on the sponge found in his house but also on underwear that had lent to Amanda. Other traces of the British

How about just tossing this story as garbage.

 

[acbytesla]

Did you find this next to circular reasoning in the dictionary?

. It does seem a little like that I grant you. But if we agree that Rudy brutally murdered and sexually assaulted Meredith which most of us do including you, I don't think it as unreasonable to look for clues in Rudy's past.

Since you dismiss any chance that he did spend the night at the nursery after being tipped to it, that might skew your thoughts. I think he was sleeping there and took the knife to be ready in case his tipster or another came in during the night. By hiding the knife in the pack he could retrieve it if confronted by thugs.

The most important aspect of the knife is that he have one of his own. What happened to the knife from the CT caper?

I'm not the only one who dismisses that he didn't spend the night at the nursery, so did Ms. Prato and the Italian Supreme Court. I don't think Rudy would grab a knife to protect himself against thugs inside a day care. Also don't think he would take that type of knife along with him for protection in the streets of Milan
Much like I don't believe that Amanda would carry a similar knife for protection in Perugia.

While I know you think that he didn't have his own knife on him as significant and it might be, I'm not so sure. Rudy may have misplaced it or just forgot to take it with him to Milan. So he grabs whatever is available, I don't think he is grabbing it for protection from thugs, but protection from his victims.