Continuation Part 16: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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I find it a mystery why he killed her, discovered or not. Just because she came home and found him there, that seems hardly a reason for violent homicide. Something else must have happened, IMO.

Yes. I think this is part of the reason this case has retained interest for so long. The defense went for their Occam defense and pushed the lone wolf burglary gone wrong angle. I get it but as you said the whole package just doesn't make sense. Could Rudi have been totally crazed? Sure. Is there some viable evidence of this? No.

The way she was killed always seemed very strange for a boy that had no history of violence or even hunting or anything of the sort. What kind of killer stabs their victim in the neck? Why didn't he just strangle her? He didn't carry a knife around it would seem. Where did he get one that night?
 
Perhaps. I just wanted to know if anyone else other than the usual suspects were claiming this?

Particularly, where is the hue and cry in Italy? Where the media? In the week before the March 27 2015 exonerations, the media seemed saturated with Raffaele's story - some matching him with Italian-guilters. Where are those guilters now?

Surely if they knew that Marasca/Bruno was going to be reversed, they'd risk saying something. Crickets.

Why don't you contact Frank?
 
Yes. I think this is part of the reason this case has retained interest for so long. The defense went for their Occam defense and pushed the lone wolf burglary gone wrong angle. I get it but as you said the whole package just doesn't make sense. Could Rudi have been totally crazed? Sure. Is there some viable evidence of this? No.

The way she was killed always seemed very strange for a boy that had no history of violence or even hunting or anything of the sort. What kind of killer stabs their victim in the neck? Why didn't he just strangle her? He didn't carry a knife around it would seem. Where did he get one that night?

You're getting the point I was making. I think it is likely that Rudy was burgling various places, and it seems like it was a combination of a need for money, and some sort of thrill. But when does he turn to murder? I can see an escalating series of crimes, and, since he did have a habit of carrying knifes with him, eventually he might end up using one on someone. But it makes no sense to kill Meredith the way he killed her.

He either got in a fight with her, and, unable to control her, ended up making a sloppy job of silencing her, OR, she did something that set him off, making him kill her in an irrational, messy way. Or both. I just raised this because, in all of the discussion about Amanda and Raffaele vs. Rudy being guilty, it seems as though the "why did Rudy kill her" part has been missed. And I don't think it is as simple as some want to make it, that he was just a murdering scumbag that decided to kill the poor girl. We'll never know, of course, but I find it interesting to understand why a young guy who broke into an empty flat ended up with a young woman dead in the most violent and nasty fashion. Something happened, but we will almost surely never know what.
 
You're getting the point I was making. I think it is likely that Rudy was burgling various places, and it seems like it was a combination of a need for money, and some sort of thrill. But when does he turn to murder? I can see an escalating series of crimes, and, since he did have a habit of carrying knifes with him, eventually he might end up using one on someone. But it makes no sense to kill Meredith the way he killed her.

He didn't have a history of carrying knives. He didn't have one when he arrived at the nursery. Tramontano story is not credible. There is no evidence he was desperate for money.

He either got in a fight with her, and, unable to control her, ended up making a sloppy job of silencing her, OR, she did something that set him off, making him kill her in an irrational, messy way. Or both. I just raised this because, in all of the discussion about Amanda and Raffaele vs. Rudy being guilty, it seems as though the "why did Rudy kill her" part has been missed. And I don't think it is as simple as some want to make it, that he was just a murdering scumbag that decided to kill the poor girl. We'll never know, of course, but I find it interesting to understand why a young guy who broke into an empty flat ended up with a young woman dead in the most violent and nasty fashion. Something happened, but we will almost surely never know what.

We may never know. As Strozzi pointed out there was no way he knew the girls were away nor the boys. It makes no sense that he would on being caught for a broken window, kill. And the method of killing. The knife use always seem like a method a trained military killer would use.
 
Why don't you contact Frank?

Certainly Sfarzo is not saying this sort of thing. Trust me, if Italian TV was reporting that there was a building timebomb inside the Italian judiciary because of impending, almost unprecedented (and possibly itself illegal) reversal of an acquittal, he would be writing about it.
 
He didn't have a history of carrying knives. He didn't have one when he arrived at the nursery. Tramontano story is not credible. There is no evidence he was desperate for money.

I think you are looking for evidence that is irrefutable, when this is more of a "what likely happened". We don't know for sure it was Rudy at Tramontano's, but CT says it he thinks it was. There is evidence that links Rudy to at least 4 burglaries (Law office, Nursery School, CT's, and Kercher), and he is unemployed. Call them trespasses if you like, he is not being tried for them at the moment. But I think it is reasonable to say that Rudy was going around looking for places he could access where he did not belong, and items ended up missing from these places.

In the case of CT he says Rudy (or the guy he thinks was Rudy) brandished a knife. When found in the nursery school, Rudy was in possession of a knife he had taken from the kitchen there. And, of course, we know he used a knife at the Kercher cottage. So there are 3 instances where Rudy either was proven to be carrying a knife, or (in the case of CT), someone said a person they believed to be Rudy threatened them with a knife. I am pretty sure, if there was such a crime he could be charged with called "pattern of carrying a knife", that is enough to have that proven BARD.

Not trying to trash Rudy, and I agree we know not enough about him, but to say there is no evidence he was stealing things, and no evidence he carried knives around, I think is wrong. I don't know how desperate he was for money, it might just have been that burglary was his current source of income (or a supplement).
 
I think you are looking for evidence that is irrefutable, when this is more of a "what likely happened". We don't know for sure it was Rudy at Tramontano's, but CT says it he thinks it was. There is evidence that links Rudy to at least 4 burglaries (Law office, Nursery School, CT's, and Kercher), and he is unemployed. Call them trespasses if you like, he is not being tried for them at the moment. But I think it is reasonable to say that Rudy was going around looking for places he could access where he did not belong, and items ended up missing from these places.

He was unemployed? When had he worked last? I don't think it is reasonable to make those assumptions. There is no way CT's testimony would be accepted by PI/FOA if everything was the same but it went against the kids.

The nursery was hardly a burglary. He was tried IIRC for the kitchen knife a clear case of having the book thrown at him.

He possessed the laptop and phone and the Milan court indicated he had bought or acquired them knowing they were stolen. They don't even charge him with theft.

In the case of CT he says Rudy (or the guy he thinks was Rudy) brandished a knife. When found in the nursery school, Rudy was in possession of a knife he had taken from the kitchen there. And, of course, we know he used a knife at the Kercher cottage. So there are 3 instances where Rudy either was proven to be carrying a knife, or (in the case of CT), someone said a person they believed to be Rudy threatened them with a knife. I am pretty sure, if there was such a crime he could be charged with called "pattern of carrying a knife", that is enough to have that proven BARD

He wasn't carrying a knife when he entered the nursery. CT didn't even file a police report and believes it was Rudi but Pisco hasn't verified it nor has anyone else at Domus or Merlin.

This whole Rudi crime wave thing reminds me of the PGP "so many lies" "changed their stories so many times" "so much evidence" "the bloody footprints" "knife fetish" "mixed blood" --- just too much evidence foir the kids to be innocent - oh and Curatolo was sure he saw them.

CT is absoluely worthless as evidence - even an Italian judge could see that.

Not trying to trash Rudy, and I agree we know not enough about him, but to say there is no evidence he was stealing things, and no evidence he carried knives around, I think is wrong. I don't know how desperate he was for money, it might just have been that burglary was his current source of income (or a supplement).

There is no evidence he carried knives around. There is no doubt that he was okay with buying stuff "that fell off the truck" or sleeping over in a place of business. He did do petty theft like the petty cash at the nursery. There was one story he stole from drunken girls' purses.

There is no evidence he had no friends. There is no evidence he couldn't get a date. I haven't seen proof he was desperate in any way. I see nothing we know that he was a violent person.
 
He was unemployed? When had he worked last? I don't think it is reasonable to make those assumptions. There is no way CT's testimony would be accepted by PI/FOA if everything was the same but it went against the kids.

Please site what job he had at the time of the murder. No job = unemployed. Unemployed = it is reasonable to infer he needs money.

The nursery was hardly a burglary. He was tried IIRC for the kitchen knife a clear case of having the book thrown at him.

He was found trespassing in a place he did not belong, with at least one item on his possession that he took from that place that did not belong to him. This is not complicated, or biased.

He possessed the laptop and phone and the Milan court indicated he had bought or acquired them knowing they were stolen. They don't even charge him with theft.

You want to use an Italian court as a source of truth, after what has happened in this case? An office in the city he lived in was broken into, and stuff stolen. Some of that stuff was found in his possession. They might have believed his story, but in most areas that would be enough for a burglary conviction, unless he could produce the "guy" he bought the stuff from.

He wasn't carrying a knife when he entered the nursery.

He was in a place he didn't belong, and he took a knife. Do you think he was planning to put it back? Come on now, this is getting silly.

CT didn't even file a police report and believes it was Rudi but Pisco hasn't verified it nor has anyone else at Domus or Merlin.

Right. I have said none of this is "proof positive". But it shows a pretty clear pattern of behavior, IMO. Again, doesn't make him a horrible guy, pre-murder, but to say he wasn't a burglar, and didn't carry knives? That is a stretch.

This whole Rudi crime wave thing reminds me of the PGP "so many lies" "changed their stories so many times" "so much evidence" "the bloody footprints" "knife fetish" "mixed blood" --- just too much evidence foir the kids to be innocent - oh and Curatolo was sure he saw them.

I think you are jumping through hoops to try to brand anyone who says a single negative thing about Rudy as somehow hopelessly biased. I don't think Rudy's behavior qualifies as a "crime wave", and if we were in court trying to prove he burgled all these places, I think the case might not succeed. But with the evidence we have, I think it is more than likely he was stealing stuff from people's homes, and carried a knife at least some of the time.

CT is absoluely worthless as evidence - even an Italian judge could see that.

There is no evidence he carried knives around. There is no doubt that he was okay with buying stuff "that fell off the truck" or sleeping over in a place of business. He did do petty theft like the petty cash at the nursery. There was one story he stole from drunken girls' purses.

There is no evidence he had no friends. There is no evidence he couldn't get a date. I haven't seen proof he was desperate in any way. I see nothing we know that he was a violent person.

Again, I think you are jumping through hoops to lump all PI people into one basket. I never said he was desperate. I never said he couldn't get a date. I have no proof of either of those. I think we have proof he murdered Meredith, and evidence that he was stealing from homes and offices in the weeks before that, at least sometimes carrying a knife.
 
Please site what job he had at the time of the murder. No job = unemployed. Unemployed = it is reasonable to infer he needs money.

He worked at Big Al's Pizza - prove he didn't - Read his testimony about the part time jobs he had after the restaurant closed in Milan.

He was found trespassing in a place he did not belong, with at least one item on his possession that he took from that place that did not belong to him. This is not complicated, or biased.

Yes he was trespassing and had put a knife in his bag for protection because he DIDN'T carry weapons. Milan is way tougher than Perugia. What happened to the knife at CT's.

You want to use an Italian court as a source of truth, after what has happened in this case? An office in the city he lived in was broken into, and stuff stolen. Some of that stuff was found in his possession. They might have believed his story, but in most areas that would be enough for a burglary conviction, unless he could produce the "guy" he bought the stuff from.

I didn't see you complaining when PGP Wiki is used. Why do you think they didn't charge him? Why would they make the effort to say he bought or received them knowing they were hot?

He was in a place he didn't belong, and he took a knife. Do you think he was planning to put it back? Come on now, this is getting silly.

Yes I think he made a policy of not being armed in public as it is a more serious crime than say trespassing.

Right. I have said none of this is "proof positive". But it shows a pretty clear pattern of behavior, IMO. Again, doesn't make him a horrible guy, pre-murder, but to say he wasn't a burglar, and didn't carry knives? That is a stretch.

This is so much like the PGP list of reasons the acquittal is a travesty. This is an example of three compatibles = a match. He was caught with stolen loot while trespassing. That's it. No history of violence or anything except lying about going to school.

I think you are jumping through hoops to try to brand anyone who says a single negative thing about Rudy as somehow hopelessly biased. I don't think Rudy's behavior qualifies as a "crime wave", and if we were in court trying to prove he burgled all these places, I think the case might not succeed. But with the evidence we have, I think it is more than likely he was stealing stuff from people's homes, and carried a knife at least some of the time.

Might not succeed? The evidence we have indicates he didn't carry a knife or he wouldn't have borrowed the one at the nursery.

I'm no fan of Rudi but I'm trying to brand him properly. I think he was sleezy and I do think he would steal when convenient. As I've said I want the same standards used. Curatolo was worthless. Quintavalle was worthless. Nara was idiotic.

CT's story would be laughed out of here if it went against the kids. Admit it.
Remember the story he talked with Nappy the night of the break in?

Do you believe Rudi was an informant? Do you believe the police knew his MO?



Again, I think you are jumping through hoops to lump all PI people into one basket. I never said he was desperate. I never said he couldn't get a date. I have no proof of either of those. I think we have proof he murdered Meredith, and evidence that he was stealing from homes and offices in the weeks before that, at least sometimes carrying a knife.

No, I think you are much more free of thought than most.
 
Sorry, but not much of this makes sense to me.

* You are proposing that Rudy killed Meredith simply because she found him inside her apartment. Why? Rudy had been caught inside places that he didn't belong before, and the cops let him go. So he viciously punctured her throat so he wouldn't be accused of a minor burglary? I don't think so.
* You say there is no evidence that Rudy was on the toilet when Meredith came home. It's not proven, but why didn't Rudy flush? He claims he got up and did not flush because he heard Meredith being attacked. It seems much more likely he either jumped up because Meredith came home, or he didn't flush to avoid being discovered. Why would he use the toilet after the murder, and leave his biological evidence by not flushing?
* The OJ Simpson case is a very different case. OJ did kill two people violently by himself, but he had a history of violent rages and jealously involving Nicole and other men. I see no similarity with Rudy, other than my speculation that something happened to send him into a rage, a la OJ. But with OJ, we are pretty sure we know what that thing was, but with Rudy, it is more of a mystery. I find it a mystery why he killed her, discovered or not. Just because she came home and found him there, that seems hardly a reason for violent homicide. Something else must have happened, IMO.

Meredith may have screamed loudly and Rudi moved in to silence her. While claiming that he was not the cause of her scream, Rudi stated that she screamed so loud that he was concerned people in the street might have heard. That is his explanation to cover the noise in case outside witnesses state they heard a loud scream.

I note that the furniture in her room was not in disarray. I think that he was on her before she was able to grab any furniture - chair, lamp, desk, etc. to pull or maneuver between Rudi and herself. I now suspect that she heard or saw him, screamed loudky which panicked him desperate to silence her, and ran deep into her room with him right behind her, not giving her sufficient distance to drag a chair, lamp, desk, or other furniture between them as a barrier or obstacle between them. Rudi covered for the bad scream in his version of events. He linked it to a time - around 9:20 pm.
 
He didn't have a history of carrying knives. He didn't have one when he arrived at the nursery. Tramontano story is not credible. There is no evidence he was desperate for money.

We may never know. As Strozzi pointed out there was no way he knew the girls were away nor the boys. It makes no sense that he would on being caught for a broken window, kill. And the method of killing. The knife use always seem like a method a trained military killer would use.

While I do agree with you that we probably will never know exactly why and what precisely happened that evening. I do believe that some scenarios are more probable than others. I do believe the CT story although there are enough holes in that story that it is reasonable to doubt it. I also don't think Rudy took the cooking knife from Ms Prato's nursery for protection on the streets of Milan, but to use if necessary for a possible confrontation that he changed his mind about when he realized that she was not alone.

The only difference in my mind about what happened in the cottage was Meredith was alone and he pounced instead of avoiding the confrontation. I think Rudy was that sexual burglar. His original intent was burglary, but Rudy has some issues.

I'll be the first to admit this may not be what happened, but in mind this is what most likely happened.
 
Welcome back Andreajo. Not sure where we're not in agreement here.

I'm just thinking if Rudy could have gotten hard, he would have stuck it in. But he didn't, or wasn't able to complete if he did. I think its a mistake to equate "level of arousal" with an ability to get hard. Its not like he's pulling out to squirt on the pillow as an attempt at birth control.

Pretty gruesome scene, plus who knows what makes Rudy tick really. Covering the body with the duvet seems to indicate some level of awareness and regret, he's not completely a zombie killer.

I think we agree on the major lines, Rudy only thinks about sexual assault after Meredith is already mortally wounded and unable to further resist.

Point taken.
 
Another newspaper confirms Rudy was busted for drug possesion.

Hmmmm,
Rudy+friends.

Heck,
it seems that Rudy was busted a few days before Miss Kercher's rape+murder, hangin' out with some of his friends.

Doin' what?

Seems he had some dope, err, make that drugs on his possession, at least from what I've gathered by this Italian newspaper report, which seems to have been written and published, Nov. 21st, '07 while "Poor Rudy" was on the run...

The squad re-read the file of Rudy. Only five days before the discovery of Meredith's body was caught in a nursery in Milan with a knife in the kitchen of the school and took his white laptop. "I was at the station when a South American offered me a bed for 50 euros - had told the police in Milan - I did come here." Had denounced him and let him go and then stop it again two days later with a group of drug dealers and some Africans' drug in his pocket. From the Milan Furniture are now know that long ago had noticed in the most fashionable nightclubs

Weird that it's not an English tabloid reporting this, just an Italian newspaper:
http://ricerca.repubblica.it/repubb...meredith-preso-il-quarto-uomo-sono-stato.html

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What about any drug test results from Poor Rudy Guede?


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How about just tossing this story as garbage.


Hi Grinder,
that article that describes Rudy Guede being busted with drugs a few days before his "date" with Meredith
is from an Italian newspaper called La Repubblica, I believe that it is not some tabloid trashy news source,
ok?

You want me to toss the story.
I think that I'll keep it,
others might too...

For doing online archival research,
I just found an old newpaper report that confirms the story,
this newspaper being Corriere della Sera,
1 of the most respected, I believe, newspapers in Italy,
right?

Have a translated read done with SDL:
INVESTIGATED BEFORE THE MURDER - Five days before the murder of Meredith Kercher, Guede was identified and investigated by the Police in Milan because surprised inside of a nursery school in the city center. Li, probably, Rudy had spent the night. "I was sleeping - would have told anyone who stood in front - i arrived at the Central station, all the hotels were full". A story full of details, that Rudy Hermann Guede, in a perfect Italian. "At the station i found a person who has offered me a bed. Perhaps it was a South American or north African: if you want i will give you the identikit. Has accompanied me here and made me come. He had the keys, so the disorder i even dates 50 euro". With if he had a kitchen knife, subtracted from the asylum, slightly arched in the tip, of more than 30 centimeters. After the control of the forces of the order, the Ivorian had been repaired in freedom but after two days was interactions were again stopped because in possession of a small quantity of drugs.

Here's the same paragraph, translated by Google:
INVESTIGATE BEFORE THE MURDER - Five days before the murder of Meredith Kercher, Guede had been identified and investigated by the police in Milan surprised because in a kindergarten in the city center. There, probably, Rudy had spent the night. "I was sleeping - would tell those who stood in front - I arrived in Central Station, all the hotels were full." A story full of special, Rudy Hermann Guede to, in perfect Italian. "At the station I found a person who offered me a bed. Maybe it was a South American or North African: if you want to do the identikit. He accompanied me here and let me in. He had the keys, for the trouble I have also given 50 euro. " With he had a kitchen knife, subtracted from kindergarten, slightly curved at the tip, of more than 30 centimeters. After the control of the security forces, the Ivorian had been freed but two days later he was again stopped because statao in possession of a small quantity of drugs.

Link:
http://www.corriere.it/cronache/07_novembre_20/rudy_dd005dda-9751-11dc-9cff-0003ba99c53b.shtml

As I mentioned, I think that
I'll keep this info that Rudy was busted with drugs just days before Meredith was raped and murdered
in my "poor Rudy" file and repeat it again,
if that's ok with you.
:cool:


Translate the linked article,
there's another good tidbit in there too:
ROME - Turn the offense of Perugia. Interpol has captured Rudy Hermann Guede, the "fourth man" accused of having raped and murdered the young English student Meredith Kercher. Guede was taken near Mainz, Germany. The 21-year-old Ivorian was sought by the public prosecutor's office in Perugia, with international arrest warrant for sexual violence and murder aggravated in competition. At the time of detention Guede was on a train traveling between the stations of Mainz and Wiesbaden. Without a ticket, at the control of his identity was identified as sought and then stopped. Man has been blocked by the Bundespolizei (federal police german) on a train to Mainz, because found without a ticket and without identity documents. Guede was then delivered to the police station. At the time of the investigation, the agents have found that the fingerprints of the man, who came as Hermann Guede, were already present in the archive of the BKA (federal criminal police), but under another name.

There's also some info in the artice linked above on The Skype Call too.

Question:
I had recently read here or on IIP that Rudy Guede bailed Italy without his documents,
this article seems to confirm it.

I wonder why he skipped town without his documents?

* * *


Speaking of The Skype Call,
the next story I found in Corriere della Sera was 2 days later,
and it mentions that Rudy Guede changed his story about what happened that night at Meredith's pad
3 times when conversing in The Skype Call with his bro Giacomo.
Have a quick read:
AN ATTEMPT TO SAVE IT - Rudy would have then reported that he had made an attempt to save the student . "I've taken in arm, i tried to turtle but then, panic ran". This kind of story the Côte d'Ivoire - even if some details there were contradictions - would have also done the night before his arrest, chatting with his friend who was in the offices of the mobile team perugina. But even on that occasion Rudy would have provided at least three different versions of that night. Therefore the investigators expect to be able to interrogate to have a clearer picture.

Link:
http://www.corriere.it/cronache/07_...dy_4f087204-990b-11dc-831b-0003ba99c53b.shtml

(The above was translated using SDL Free Translation)
http://www.freetranslation.com/en/translate-english-italian
 
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While I do agree with you that we probably will never know exactly why and what precisely happened that evening. I do believe that some scenarios are more probable than others. I do believe the CT story although there are enough holes in that story that it is reasonable to doubt it. I also don't think Rudy took the cooking knife from Ms Prato's nursery for protection on the streets of Milan, but to use if necessary for a possible confrontation that he changed his mind about when he realized that she was not alone.

The only difference in my mind about what happened in the cottage was Meredith was alone and he pounced instead of avoiding the confrontation. I think Rudy was that sexual burglar. His original intent was burglary, but Rudy has some issues.

I'll be the first to admit this may not be what happened, but in mind this is what most likely happened.

I think that the evidence (punch in the mouth, controlling wounds, bruises) indicates that he was trying to get Meredith to submit to him. Getting an unwilling victim to submit is difficult. He probably thought that by merely brandishing the knife she would be submissive. Maybe this had worked for him before. Using the other girls that were interviewed as character witnesses means nothing because they were a group and so he couldn't victimize one without all of them knowing. Did anyone ever interview his Milan girlfriend? We don't even know what their relationship was. I once had a female flatmate and it was totally platonic.

I can imagine Meredith saying to him "Leave me alone or I'll tell Giacomo" or something like that. Then it turned into a fight. She may have kicked him. He punched her in the mouth. She grabbed for the knife and he ripped her hair out and put the knife to her throat. He was both enraged and aroused. Her refusal to submit (and screaming) caused him to stab her. I think he did it in a fit of rage.
The rage fueled the lust and then he stripped her but the sight of the blood frightened him. Fear and sexual desire are incompatible in (most) men so he had to stop the bleeding but he failed. So he covered her face. That allowed him to focus on the sexual assault. He could not get hard enough to enter her so he had to finish manually. After that he could cover the body, go through her belongings, steal the money, cards, phones, and clean up as best he could. He locked the bedroom door as he left but he decided to go downstairs to get some clothes from the boys. He entered with the key that Giacomo gave to Meredith since she was supposed to water his plants while he was away.

That is as far as I have thought it out.
 
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I think that the evidence (punch in the mouth, controlling wounds, bruises) indicates that he was trying to get Meredith to submit to him. Getting an unwilling victim to submit is difficult. He probably thought that by merely brandishing the knife she would be submissive. Maybe this had worked for him before. Using the other girls that were interviewed as character witnesses means nothing because they were a group and so he couldn't victimize one without all of them knowing. Did anyone ever interview his Milan girlfriend? We don't even know what their relationship was. I once had a female flatmate and it was totally platonic.

I can imagine Meredith saying to him "Leave me alone or I'll tell Giacomo" or something like that. Then it turned into a fight. She may have kicked him. He punched her in the mouth. She grabbed for the knife and he ripped her hair out and put the knife to her throat. He was both enraged and aroused. Her refusal to submit caused him to stab her. I think he did it in a fit of rage.
The rage fueled the lust and then he stripped her but the sight of the blood frightened him. Fear and sexual desire are incompatible in (most) men so he had to stop the bleeding but he failed. So he covered her face. That allowed him to focus on the sexual assault. He could not get hard enough to enter her so he had to finish manually. After that he could cover the body, go through her belongings, steal the money, cards, phones, and clean up as best he could. He locked the bedroom door as he left but he decided to go downstairs to get some clothes from the boys. He entered with the key that Giacomo gave to Meredith since she was supposed to water his plants while he was away.

That is as far as I have thought it out.

This may all be right. I don't think Rudy was afraid of Meredith physically at all but he was reasonably concerned about having to fight Christian to get out of his apartment or the 2 workmen with Ms. Prato.

Most of us don't buy the idea that Rudy had a date with Meredith. So the question I have is why did the burglary morph not only into a murder but a seal assault. Any rape counselor will tell you that rape is more about control and violence than sex. Rudy couldn't control anything in his life but he could control Meredith for those fateful minutes. That was the real desire.
 
Rw - any police reports or court documents for having the Africans' drugs in his pockets?

When did you start searching in Italian?

Want Italian stories on mixed blood? Maybe PQ can find them for me. :rolleyes:
 
RW - any police reports or court documents for having the Africans' drugs in his pockets?


Sorry Grinder,
I do not know of the 2 different newspapers sources.
Guede was on the run, apparently in Dusseldorf, Germany at the time.
Did a reporter interview some of his friends?
Or were these 2 different reports given out by The Police?

Surely these 2 reports were not from PIP
or us groupies, The Friends of Amanda+[SIZE="-7"]Raffaele[/SIZE] , right?
:D

When did you start searching in Italian?


I've tried a few times over the years,
with Oggi, and a few Italian newspapers.
Doin' the same stuff I do when diggin' up old archival info on Great White Sharks
here in Los Angeles, Ventura and the rest of Southern California...

Just the other day I noted that our bro-ette Christianahannah luvs usin' Corriere della Sera too
as I browsed thru this old link, which I wonder if many of the newer members of The Group who post here knew of:
The Massei/Mignini Conspiracy Theory
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200115

A guy named Giles Watson translated some of the Corriere della Sera Italian articles into English,
it made an easy to follow read. Too bad he doesn't translate all of their articles...

Corriere della Sera has a great archival system,
it's kinda easy to figure out,
here's a link to search with:
http://sitesearch.corriere.it/siteSearchEngine.action#

Type your request where it says Cerca, hit the magnifyin' glass,
and have a look on the left side for the years you wanna read.
Don't see the year? Click altri below the last year visable,
ta-da, the 2007 year and others are available.

Below,
here's some of the early stuff which is interesting when "poor Rudy" got busted in Germany and sent back to Italy, and is then interrogated by Judge Matteini and PM Mignini for 8 hours on Dec. 7th, 2007. Translate 'em if ya want, I have...

Dec. 7, 2007 article:
http://www.corriere.it/cronache/07_...de_7e358a9e-a4b4-11dc-ac05-0003ba99c667.shtml

Dec. 8, 2007 article:
http://www.corriere.it/cronache/07_...ni_831b1dde-a55f-11dc-87a0-0003ba99c53b.shtml

Dec. 14, 2007 article:
http://www.corriere.it/cronache/07_...ne_8cf639c6-aa44-11dc-abc2-0003ba99c53b.shtml

Dec. 15, 2007 article:
http://www.corriere.it/cronache/07_...th_6a86fc54-aae9-11dc-a893-0003ba99c53b.shtml
 
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RW - any police reports or court documents for having the Africans' drugs in his pockets?


Heya Grinder,
you know I'm a big fan of old Perugia Shock, right?
Weird how this 1 tidbit of info was apparently missed + slipped by Sfarzo, Dempsey, and all the other PIP reporters, right?

Heck,
it only seems that 2 of Italy's best newspapers had this info while Rudy was in Germany. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the info seems to have become public knowledge right around the time when Rudy Guede was busted by the German police?

Maybe Rudy told them this himself,
like he did the story about the South American
or was it, the North African, that let him sleep at the Kiddy's School.
What do ya think?
RW
 
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Below,
here's some of the early stuff which is interesting when "poor Rudy" got busted in Germany and sent back to Italy, and is then interrogated by Judge Matteini and PM Mignini for 8 hours on Dec. 7th, 2007. Translate 'em if ya want, I have...

Dec. 7, 2007 article:
http://www.corriere.it/cronache/07_...de_7e358a9e-a4b4-11dc-ac05-0003ba99c667.shtml

Dec. 8, 2007 article:
http://www.corriere.it/cronache/07_...ni_831b1dde-a55f-11dc-87a0-0003ba99c53b.shtml

Dec. 14, 2007 article:
http://www.corriere.it/cronache/07_...ne_8cf639c6-aa44-11dc-abc2-0003ba99c53b.shtml

Dec. 15, 2007 article:
http://www.corriere.it/cronache/07_...th_6a86fc54-aae9-11dc-a893-0003ba99c53b.shtml

"Sensational CONTRADICTIONS" - Al investigating judge Claudia Matteini and to prosecutor Giuliano Mignini, the Ivorian told his version of that night of November 1, changing slightly as mentioned in Germany. However, a version that investigators believe unlikely, marked by "sensational" contradictions than the issues raised by the survey. "That night I was in that house - reiterated Rudy - Meredith but I did not kill myself." But when the investigators asked him to clarify some points, especially those relating to the "person" that the young man says he saw at the house of Mez, Rudy would fill the minutes of "I do not remember." "I could not see him very well, I did not see his face because I looked at the knife," he said, referring to the man met at the door and he would also threatened with the weapon. Person that his lawyers have described as "a young man shorter than me who spoke Italian." "He has not provided any characteristic of this person, did not describe any and remained very vague," says one of those who took part in the interrogation. However, he confirmed that after he left the house Mez went to the disco: "I wandered for a while 'and then I went to dance," he told the magistrate. Dec. 7, 2007 article

Is Raff shorter than Rudy?
 
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