Man unable to open car doors after battery failure; dies

Huh. That's why I prefer door lock knobs that I can pull manually.

The front ones in my Jeep are pretty much flush when locked. I doubt I could pull them up.

I'd have to go into the back. The back ones stick up farther, and can be pulled up easily.

If I haven't got the child proof lock thingy set wrong on the back doors, that is...
 
The front ones in my Jeep are pretty much flush when locked. I doubt I could pull them up.

I'd have to go into the back. The back ones stick up farther, and can be pulled up easily.

If I haven't got the child proof lock thingy set wrong on the back doors, that is...

I put chrome dice shaped knobs, on the ones in my jeep! :)
 
The tool that I carry is an automatic center punch.

While I have never tried it on a car window, I am told that it will shatter the window easily. When you push hard on the spring loaded handle, with the tip against a piece of metal, in this case a window, the handle will travel about an inch down the rod, and then trigger a release all of the force of your push in one pulse into a very small cross section, producing a huge force in a very small area. A child of 5 or so could probably do this.

Here's a brief video below that demonstrates the center punch. I wonder if we know for sure that new cars' front side windows are laminated. That could complicate things. Also, be sure to close your eyes tightly if you should ever try this.



There's also a video showing, as someone mentioned, broken spark plug ceramic material thrown at a window that broke it. First time I've heard of this one.



ETA: Another related problem is getting an automatic car wash in very cold weather. The doors can become hopelessly frozen shut. I know a lady who was stuck in her car, but fortunately had a friend's garage door opener. She drove to his house and sat in his garage until it thawed. My car wash owner buddy tells me he tries his best to warn people off on cold days, but some just ignore him.
 
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I'm surprised he couldn't break the window. I keep an emergency tool in my car with a window punch and a seatbelt blade. But I'm pretty sure if I didn't have it and I had the time one would have it one was just locked in and not sinking in the lake or something that I could break the window.

It's a bizarre event.

It's sad. There should be a warning label somewhere in the cab like on the dash if this flaw was known and it was.

I gave my parents one of those when I realised that their car had electric windows. I didnt want them caught inside in case of emergency.

As for other options, if I remember correctly from that Mythbusters episode on sinking cars, those things (car windows) are fairly sturdy. could be wrong though.
 
Most people, myself included, use the owner's manual as a reference. That is, we look up specific items as the need arises. That's because most of it is the same for every car I've ever been in: I can easily identify what each of the gauges indicates, for example.

We are used to seeing levers for things like hood/trunk/gas cap release. Most would likely assume a lever on the floor to operate one of those.

I don't like the idea of an electric door latch for a couple of reasons:

First, regarding the ones that look like a lever, why would you do that? It's not going to be an improvement in function over the manual lever. IF you are going to replace a mechanical system with an electric system there should be an advantage of some sort. There is with electric windows. Doors? not so much. (Though I do get the utility of the push button tailgates and side doors for minivans.) I guess it's the cool factor.

Second, I tend to keep my cars for a long time. (I've had my Neon for 12 years now, and my wife's Porsche for 15.) Electrical switches tend to fail over time. Usually at the most inconvenient time. Every car I've had with power windows I've had to replace at least one switch or wiring harness. One of the things I like about the neon is that the rear windows are manual. A bad switch for windows is an inconvenience. A bad switch on a door would be MUCH more of a pain.

Third, such a system would need a backup. (I wish power windows had one.) These are likely to be cable driven and require some force to operate. (Kind of like your hood latch.) They will also be rarely used. Much less than your hood latch if you bother to check (or change) your oil at all. Cables that aren't used with some frequency may not be reliable when you need them, in my experience. Especially when a car gets some age.

An emergency door open button's location should be obvious from looking at the door (not the floor). This is where you expect to find the door opening mechanism. It's such a basic safety thing and failure has such catastrophic potential consequences that you should not have to refer to a manual to find it. Of course, such markings would detract from the styling, which eliminates the only purpose of the electric door button in a corvette.
 
Third, such a system would need a backup. (I wish power windows had one.)

I remember when electric sunroof had a little hex tool that you could pull out and use if the motor failed. BMW 3 series, E30, IIRC. I just checked and it seems they still have this on modern-ish BMWs. Nice feature.
 
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An emergency door open button's location should be obvious from looking at the door (not the floor). This is where you expect to find the door opening mechanism. It's such a basic safety thing and failure has such catastrophic potential consequences that you should not have to refer to a manual to find it. ....

I'm trying to picture the engineering PTB from GM testifying in a lawsuit for wrongful death of this man attempting to explain to a judge just how this is not a total no brainer. I can imagine him asking if his child or grandmother as a passenger could easily find it in the event of his death.
 
I'm trying to picture the engineering PTB from GM testifying in a lawsuit for wrongful death of this man attempting to explain to a judge just how this is not a total no brainer. I can imagine him asking if his child or grandmother as a passenger could easily find it in the event of his death.

What's so hard, the door handle is on the floor, the owner's manual is in the glove box? If you are too stupid to figure it out beforehand you have plenty of time while you wait for the Grim Reaper. If you can't sort that you were too dumb to live, anyway.

I feel sorry for the dog but that's what you get when your master is a moron.
 
An emergency door open button's location should be obvious from looking at the door (not the floor). This is where you expect to find the door opening mechanism.

That's why we look for the ignition switch on the dash and not on the engine, right? :rolleyes:
 
I'm surprised he couldn't break the window.

Watch Cops long enough and you'll see big damn cops wailing on car windows with nightsticks and failing to break the glass. I've seen video of a car thief trying to break into cars with a hammer and the damn thing bounces off.

Rescue hammers are damn handy things to have.
 
What's so hard, the door handle is on the floor, the owner's manual is in the glove box? If you are too stupid to figure it out beforehand you have plenty of time while you wait for the Grim Reaper. If you can't sort that you were too dumb to live, anyway.

I feel sorry for the dog but that's what you get when your master is a moron.

Really? The dude died. He raised a family of three great looking kids, retired and got a Corvette. Went to the Pancake house, exited with his dog. Got in his dream car and it killed him. That's not stupid, that's tragic. Calling this gentleman stupid is stupid just horribly insensitive.

Sometimes I can't bear to be among people. That just was not fair.
 
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Was the manual in the glove box? I'm pretty sure the one for my car is in a little compartment under the rear seat. Why? No clue. Cadillac just thought that made sense. Found it totally by accident when looking for the battery.

And, more importantly, when panicked from the heat would someone even think the manual would have such information? I'm used to looking in a manual if there is some thing I have to do to change tires but to open doors? That just seems beneath the manual.
 
Really? The dude died. He raised a family of three great looking kids, retired and got a Corvette. Went to the Pancake house, exited with his dog. Got in his dream car and it killed him. That's not stupid, that's tragic. Calling this gentleman stupid is stupid just horribly insensitive.

Sometimes I can't bear to be among people. That just was not fair.

I agree that the post was extremely insensitive, or rather, intended to bait the sensitivities of others which is why it is often best not to respond to posts like that and give the writer the satisfaction of knowing he upset someone, which is clearly his aim.
 
Problem is that drivers tend to roll windows up and down when in motion, (particularly when entering and exiting barrier controlled car parks for example), electric windows are safer under these circumstances due to less distraction and time with a hand off the wheel, situations where an emergency exit is required AND the electrics have failed are far rarer.

Rolling down a window doesn't exactly require much brain power, although I admit that for some people it might be too much to keep one's visual cortex working simultaneously.
 
Rolling down a window doesn't exactly require much brain power, although I admit that for some people it might be too much to keep one's visual cortex working simultaneously.
It does take away one hand frorm the wheel, and it is kind of a weird motion to roll down/up the window with a mechanical handle. One push on the electrical button and it opens/shuts all the way is quite an advantage in safety.
 
Was the manual in the glove box? I'm pretty sure the one for my car is in a little compartment under the rear seat. Why? No clue. Cadillac just thought that made sense. Found it totally by accident when looking for the battery.

And, more importantly, when panicked from the heat would someone even think the manual would have such information? I'm used to looking in a manual if there is some thing I have to do to change tires but to open doors? That just seems beneath the manual.

Very true. Texas, 100 degree heat, parked in the sun. The car could easily get to 180 F or more inside. Someone with breathing problems in high humidity counts on getting the air conditioning going or windows down right away. At 73 years of age, with reducing memory facilities, we don't necessarily think quickly in emergencies. I would last about 3 minutes, tops.

The "greenhouse" effect works with cars, just as it does with the planet Earth. From a random article on leaving children in a locked car, this guy experimented with a car on a 97 degree day.

So now, safety advocates are getting creative. Brett Garrett, a firefighter and paramedic in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, pulled a stunt recently to illustrate the danger. He actually baked cookies inside a car warmed only by the sun.

“According to the oven thermometer, it’s 174 degrees on the dash. These have been in there just over 40 minutes, but these are done,” he says, taking a bite. “It’s hot.”

I'd never own any color car but white ever again. But imagine that experiment in a black car.

I agree that the post was extremely insensitive, or rather, intended to bait the sensitivities of others which is why it is often best not to respond to posts like that and give the writer the satisfaction of knowing he upset someone, which is clearly his aim.

I didn't feel it was intentional baiting at the time, just immature thinking. I agree though that such posts don't deserve any answer, and I usually try to avoid such responses.

However, I pictured a good, probably fun guy like so many I know, retired, enjoying relatively good health, apparently a widower, not bugging anyone, at long last getting his boyhood dream car, running over to have breakfast with his long time buddies and show them his pride and joy, pumped up and in a very euphoric state of mind, even forgetting his phone upon leaving, just to be able to go for a simple drive in his fantasy car with the wind in his hair next to his dog.

All this, of course, before reading the entire user's manual as any non-moron on the planet would have certainly recommended to this gentleman beforehand. :rolleyes:

Instead he gets trapped, in effect by modern technological yuppy coolness.

I had an overwhelming image in my mind from that post that while this man's dying, a bunch of thugs, good-ol'-boys, wise asses, or delinquents of 9th grade bullying mentality stand around yuk-yuking, pointing and calling him a moron, while a few adult humans are frantically trying to break into the car to save a decent man.

To an extent, I guess my Rifkin mirror neurons were running on high power triggering an empathy crisis, hearing echoes of another person's life in myself.
 
It does take away one hand frorm the wheel

You really only need one hand 90% of the time, anyway.

and it is kind of a weird motion to roll down/up the window with a mechanical handle. One push on the electrical button and it opens/shuts all the way is quite an advantage in safety.

That, however, is true. I still prefer having the option to open my windows if electrical power is out, and I'm so used to doing it manually that I don't even notice the 'weird motion'.
 

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