Continuation Part 16: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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No RW, a liquid spill on the floor is not going to follow a continuous curve over the discontinuities in the tiles. Look at the blood flows upstairs for instance.
 
Hi Dan O.,
I see your point, easily.

But I think that you miss understood mine, easy to do when I write.

I'm wondering if the cops drew an outline around some dried urine?
I drew their outline in red, to better highlight it.

The cops outline is perfect,
like as seen outside, perfect circles around every stairway blood spot.

The outline in Riccardo's bedroom just shows where the piss,
dried up and not visible to our naked eye on the Crime Scene video,
is at...

1 of the outlines might have been from the boyz pissin' at and under Riccardo's closed bedroom door,
and it flowed inward a bit. Possible?

So my question was how did the cops see it?

Using a Crime Scope?

if so, did the cops use a Crime Scope too upstairs
and know of that probable semen stain on Meredith Kercher's pillow case by Nov. 3rd?
When Dr. Stefanoni is talking about testing seminal fluid on the phone to her assistant Alessa,
as we have heard and seen in English subtitles?
 
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Grinder said:
Rw also fron same article:

While in Rome continue the analysis of the artifacts seized at the home of Raffaele Sollecito and get conflicting reports. The 'examination of the computer on which the student of Giovinazzo says he spent the night of 1 November does not show traces of activity from 21 to 6 in the morning. And according to rumors blood Meredith would have been recognized not only on the sponge found in his house but also on underwear that had lent to Amanda. Other traces of the British

How about just tossing this story as garbage.
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Fine by me since everything the police leaked to the Italian & UK media turned out to be utter garbage.

Dan O. said:
Though there are inaccuracies in the story, it contains factual references that couldn't just be made up by the author. Where did this information come from if not leaked by the police? And if the police are the ones leaking the information, isn't it reasonable to presume that they are also the source of the inaccuracies?
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Raffaele's sponge certainly got around since the other day I posted where Stefanoni had testified that Raffaele's sponge also had a hair consistent with Guede on it (i.e., she claimed to have found an African hair on Raffaele's sponge).

Stefanoni claimed some of Guede's hairs were found on Meredith's duvet and one on her purse (believable), and one African hair on Raffaele's sponge back in his apartment?

Obviously, early on they were building a case that Raffaele's sponge was used in a cleanup, but the prosecution apparently decided against going there since the sponge wasn't brought up at trial.

Stefanoni belongs in jail!
 
Ken Dine said:
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Stefanoni belongs in jail!
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This may be literally true. Of course, establishing the facts of the crime and allowing for time-barring of prosecution may be issues.

Stefanoni controls the raw data which would help convict her of perjury.

The long time since her original allegedly false testimony may make prosecution impossible due to the Italian statute of limitations. Indeed, one reason for the Chieffi CSC judgment and Nencini court judgment may have been to ensure that no prosecution could be launched in a timely manner against the police.

The Italian laws against perjury are given in CP Articles 372 and 373 (not clear if Art. 373 applies to Stefanoni as a prosecution expert):

Art. 372.
Perjury.

Anyone, to testify as a witness before the courts or the International Criminal Court, says the false or deny the truth, or is silent, in whole or in part, what he knows about the facts on which it is questioned, it shall be punished with imprisonment from two to six years (1).

(1) As amended prior art. 11, second paragraph, D. L. June 8, 1992, n. 306, converted with amendments into Law 7 August 1992, n. 356, and then by art. 10, paragraph 5 of Law 20 December 2012, n. 237.

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****See. Criminal Cassation, sez. VI, judgment of 21 May 2008 n. 20328 and Penal Cassation, sez. VI, judgment of 28 September 2009 n. 38107 on American Lawyer Massimario.

Art. 373.
False expert opinion or interpretation.

The expert or interpreter, appointed by the court, gives opinion or false interpretations, or states incorrect facts true, subject to the penalties set out in the previous article. The sentence, as well as disqualification from public office, disqualification from the profession or art.
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Numbers said:
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The Italian laws against perjury are given in CP Articles 372 and 373 (not clear if Art. 373 applies to Stefanoni as a prosecution expert):
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Italian law that may be generally applicable to Mignini, Stefanoni, Giobbi, etc. is CP Article 323, Abuse of Office:

Art. 323.
Abuse of office.

Unless the fact constitutes a more serious crime, the public official or public service we, in the performance of functions or services, in violation of laws or regulations, or by failing to abstain in the presence of an interest own or of a close relative or as otherwise prescribed, intentionally procures for himself or others an unfair financial advantage or causes unjust damage to others shall be punished with imprisonment from one to four years. (1)
The penalty is increased in cases where the benefit or harm they have a character of considerable gravity.

****(1) The words: "six months to three years" were thus substituted by art. 1 L. 6 November 2012, n. 190.
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Peter Quennell posted the new afterward of Waiting To Be Heard on TJMK. Is that even legal? It sounds like he's going to post the whole book.
 
Dirty Pete writes:

This is posted to allow those falsely accused of crimes by Amanda Knox to see how they are defamed. In fact the entire book is being made available to them, now that it has been re-issued with all false accusations still intact. See here, and especially here. No-one has a license to defame. Anti-defamation rights law trumps copyright-protection law in any country, in any court.
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MichaelB said:
Peter Quennell posted the new afterward of Waiting To Be Heard on TJMK. Is that even legal? It sounds like he's going to post the whole book.
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Quennell doesn't know when he's beaten.

Here's something interesting Amanda says, which requires a little re-evaluation:

"Minutes later Carlo della Vedova, one of our two Italian lawyers called. "Does 'acquitted' mean "Not enough evidence to convict?", I asked him. "Or did they find us innocent?". "They found you innocent. Amanda!" he said. "It's the best result possible!""

Haven't we had opinion on this already that doesn't agree with this assessment?
 
Kauffer said:
Quennell doesn't know when he's beaten.

Here's something interesting Amanda says, which requires a little re-evaluation:

"Minutes later Carlo della Vedova, one of our two Italian lawyers called. "Does 'acquitted' mean "Not enough evidence to convict?", I asked him. "Or did they find us innocent?". "They found you innocent. Amanda!" he said. "It's the best result possible!""

Haven't we had opinion on this already that doesn't agree with this assessment?
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It was definitely "For not having committed the fact" regarding the murder charge but also for charge E, the fake break-in which Hellmann ruled: "because the act did not take place"

So it seems to me Maresca is going to stay the break-in was staged, just not by AK & RS.

Hellmann also made a mistake. He ruled on charge B "for not having committed the act" regarding carrying the knife. When it should have been "because the act did not take place".

If it wasn't the murder weapon and they weren't involved then they weren't carrying around the kitchen knife.
 
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Dougm said:
I can tell you what Steve Moore did for me, when he started writing and doing interviews about the case. Might give some perspective (or not).

I had initially assumed the two were guilty, from headlines, and my assumption that, if two people were charged with killing another in some sort of drug fueled sex game, the prosecution at the very least had solid evidence that these two participate in such sex games, and were present with the victim at location where proposed sex game took place. After reading more about the case, I quickly came to the conclusion the case was weak, and they should not have been convicted. I still, however, found some things to be a mystery, and could not rule out their involvement 100%. It was Moore's clear and emphatic explanation of some things I did not know, but which made perfect sense, that moved me from "reasonable doubt" to "sure they are innocent".

The things he said that convinced me were not about Amanda's character, or how young women don't do that kind of thing. I already had found her to be an unlikely killer, but stranger things have happened.

It was more of these:

* The evidence proves there was no clean up. Luminol would show signs of a clean up, and there are none.
* The combination of the small space with the messy, bloody nature of the stabbing of Meredith made it impossible for Amanda and Raff to have participated without leaving some trace of themselves in the room. How could they do it without leaving any trace, or getting blood on themselves, on their clothes? (this, combined with the highly suspect collection and testing of the bra clasp, was a very strong argument)
* People who stab other people with knives very frequently cut themselves, and the prosecution's theory of a violent fight between Meredith and the three accused perps does not fit the evidence. Why does Rudy have cuts on his hand (expected when someone is attacking another with a knife), yet Amanda and Raff have no injuries, no blood, not even a scratch (the guilters desperately tried to make Amanda's small neck hickey be a leftover from the life and death struggle, but ... no).
* It is impossible to clean up your own DNA and leave that of another person (I knew this already).

Moore said, yes, sometimes cases are a mystery, but this one is not a mystery. The evidence not only does not convict Amanda and Raffaele, but it actually proves them innocent. I found that argument very compelling, and consistent with the facts presented in court.

While I think presenting and giving credibility to those ideas was important, do I think that means he never misspeaks or makes a mistake on some details. Of course not. But he still made some very important contributions to explaining to lay people why the case did not add up, and why he was advocating so strongly on Amanda and Raffaele's behalf.
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Shocking!!!

It has already been pointed out that bleach will only react with luminol for up to eight hours after application. And in any case:

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if a crime scene is thoroughly cleaned with a bleach solution, residual cleaner will cause the entire crime scene to produce the typical blue glow, effectively camouflaging any organic evidence, such as blood.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminol
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Secondly the luminol tests carried out by the Scientific Police 18th Dec 2007 highlighted several footprints of Amanda's and Raf's genetic DNA. Remember, luminol reacts with the iron elements in haemoglobin, causing it to momentarily glow in the dark, allowing police to take night photography of the phenomenon.

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Luminol_Traces
Gives more details.

Amanda did have a long welt on her neck, more like a scratch - her own knife turned on herself?! - and her lower earring, of several, appears to have been ripped off. Raf's face in the shots outside the cottage, where the pair were canoodling, shows a nasty graze across his chin.

There are actually few traces of Rudy's DNA beyond that found on the body, bag and pillowcase. The defence scientists themselves argued the bloody footprint was too undistiguished to identify it. Police said it was size 42 (Raf's size), whereas Rudy's is 45.

There was a blond hair found gripped in Mez' hand, another in her vagina and one across her bag. There was a ladies size 37 footprint in blood. There was a shard of glass from Filomena's room. As Rudy had long fled and the burglary was staged post-murder, it likely came from Amanda, who left a footprint on a card under Filomena's window, plus two mixed traces of her and Mez, in that room. There is no DNA trace of Rudy in Filomena's room, or small bathroom. IIRC papers were scattered around to give the burglary scene "credibility". Whoops! Amanda left her footprint on one of the cards!

There was a bloody fingerprint on the small bathroom lightswitch (Amanda's) depressed down, indicating it was dark at the time, together with Amanda's blood on the tap and in the bidet, left on or around 1/2 November 2007, proving her physical presence at the scene as of the time of the murder.

Police found all together five mixed DNA of Amanda and Mez, but none mixed with any of the other flat mates.

Raff's fingerprint was on the inside of Mez' door and also in Laura's room, and on a cigarette stub.

Phone records show Amanda was not at Raff's all evening, as claimed. Her text to Patrick was from nearby or at the cottage. Raff's PC was not in use from after the pair downloaded 'Amelie'. A manga cartoon auto-started afterwards. Both phones were switched off 8:45pm-ish. Raff's was not switched back on until 5:30am-ish, and the computer circa the same time, to play some grunge rock. (I myself used to play Motorhead's Ace of Spades or Adam & the Ants Prince Charming at top volume #11 a la Spinal Tap, to celebrate passing any particularly tough accountancy exam.)*

The tedious soundbite, there is no trace of Amanda or Raf at the crime scene, is laughable.

I am here to kill ignorance!

But you knew all of this anyway.

*ETA Numerous witnesses, including police, testified Amanda was in a highly euphoric condition immediately after the murder. For example, in the questura, the lingerie shop, diary entries, etc.
 
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Vixen said:
Shocking!!!

It has already been pointed out that bleach will only react with luminol for up to eight hours after application. And in any case:

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if a crime scene is thoroughly cleaned with a bleach solution, residual cleaner will cause the entire crime scene to produce the typical blue glow, effectively camouflaging any organic evidence, such as blood.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminol
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Secondly the luminol tests carried out by the Scientific Police 18th Dec 2007 highlighted several footprints of Amanda's and Raf's genetic DNA. Remember, luminol reacts with the iron elements in haemoglobin, causing it to momentarily glow in the dark, allowing police to take night photography of the phenomenon.

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Luminol_Traces
Gives more details.

Amanda did have a long welt on her neck, more like a scratch - her own knife turned on herself?! - and her lower earring, of several, appears to have been ripped off. Raf's face in the shots outside the cottage, where the pair were canoodling, shows a nasty graze across his chin.

There are actually few traces of Rudy's DNA beyond that found on the body, bag and pillowcase. The defence scientists themselves argued the bloody footprint was too undistiguished to identify it. Police said it was size 42 (Raf's size), whereas Rudy's is 45.

There was a blond hair found gripped in Mez' hand, another in her vagina and one across her bag. There was a ladies size 37 footprint in blood. There was a shard of glass from Filomena's room. As Rudy had long fled and the burglary was staged post-murder, it likely came from Amanda, who left a footprint on a card under Filomena's window, plus two mixed traces of her and Mez, in that room. There is no DNA trace of Rudy in Filomena's room, or small bathroom. IIRC papers were scattered around to give the burglary scene "credibility". Whoops! Amanda left her footprint on one of the cards!

There was a bloody fingerprint on the small bathroom lightswitch (Amanda's) depressed down, indicating it was dark at the time, together with Amanda's blood on the tap and in the bidet, left on or around 1/2 November 2007, proving her physical presence at the scene as of the time of the murder.

Police found all together five mixed DNA of Amanda and Mez, but none mixed with any of the other flat mates.

Raff's fingerprint was on the inside of Mez' door and also in Laura's room, and on a cigarette stub.

Phone records show Amanda was not at Raff's all evening, as claimed. Her text to Patrick was from nearby or at the cottage. Raff's PC was not in use from after the pair downloaded 'Amelie'. A manga cartoon auto-started afterwards. Both phones were switched off 8:45pm-ish. Raff's was not switched back on until 5:30am-ish, and the computer circa the same time, to play some grunge rock. (I myself used to play Motorhead's Ace of Spades or Adam & the Ants Prince Charming at top volume #11 a la Spinal Tap, to celebrate passing any particularly tough accountancy exam.)

The tedious soundbite, there is no trace of Amanda or Raf at the crime scene, is laughable.

I am here to kill ignorance!
But you knew all of this anyway.
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Keep working at it.

That's quite a list you've got there. You forgot the vibrator, lamp and mop.
 
Vixen said:
Shocking!!!

It has already been pointed out that bleach will only react with luminol for up to eight hours after application. And in any case:

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if a crime scene is thoroughly cleaned with a bleach solution, residual cleaner will cause the entire crime scene to produce the typical blue glow, effectively camouflaging any organic evidence, such as blood.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminol
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Secondly the luminol tests carried out by the Scientific Police 18th Dec 2007 highlighted several footprints of Amanda's and Raf's genetic DNA. Remember, luminol reacts with the iron elements in haemoglobin, causing it to momentarily glow in the dark, allowing police to take night photography of the phenomenon.

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Luminol_Traces
Gives more details.

Amanda did have a long welt on her neck, more like a scratch - her own knife turned on herself?! - and her lower earring, of several, appears to have been ripped off. Raf's face in the shots outside the cottage, where the pair were canoodling, shows a nasty graze across his chin.

There are actually few traces of Rudy's DNA beyond that found on the body, bag and pillowcase. The defence scientists themselves argued the bloody footprint was too undistiguished to identify it. Police said it was size 42 (Raf's size), whereas Rudy's is 45.

There was a blond hair found gripped in Mez' hand, another in her vagina and one across her bag. There was a ladies size 37 footprint in blood. There was a shard of glass from Filomena's room. As Rudy had long fled and the burglary was staged post-murder, it likely came from Amanda, who left a footprint on a card under Filomena's window, plus two mixed traces of her and Mez, in that room. There is no DNA trace of Rudy in Filomena's room, or small bathroom. IIRC papers were scattered around to give the burglary scene "credibility". Whoops! Amanda left her footprint on one of the cards!

There was a bloody fingerprint on the small bathroom lightswitch (Amanda's) depressed down, indicating it was dark at the time, together with Amanda's blood on the tap and in the bidet, left on or around 1/2 November 2007, proving her physical presence at the scene as of the time of the murder.

Police found all together five mixed DNA of Amanda and Mez, but none mixed with any of the other flat mates.

Raff's fingerprint was on the inside of Mez' door and also in Laura's room, and on a cigarette stub.

Phone records show Amanda was not at Raff's all evening, as claimed. Her text to Patrick was from nearby or at the cottage. Raff's PC was not in use from after the pair downloaded 'Amelie'. A manga cartoon auto-started afterwards. Both phones were switched off 8:45pm-ish. Raff's was not switched back on until 5:30am-ish, and the computer circa the same time, to play some grunge rock. (I myself used to play Motorhead's Ace of Spades or Adam & the Ants Prince Charming at top volume #11 a la Spinal Tap, to celebrate passing any particularly tough accountancy exam.)

The tedious soundbite, there is no trace of Amanda or Raf at the crime scene, is laughable.

I am here to kill ignorance!

But you knew all of this anyway.
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There is no evidence the Naruto cartoon auto started. It was started manually. If it auto started it would have been shown by the record of the necessary key strokes.
I state that confidently, because proving your thesis would have been a high priority.
 
Vixen said:
Shocking!!!

It has already been pointed out that bleach will only react with luminol for up to eight hours after application. And in any case:

-----

if a crime scene is thoroughly cleaned with a bleach solution, residual cleaner will cause the entire crime scene to produce the typical blue glow, effectively camouflaging any organic evidence, such as blood.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminol
---------

Secondly the luminol tests carried out by the Scientific Police 18th Dec 2007 highlighted several footprints of Amanda's and Raf's genetic DNA. Remember, luminol reacts with the iron elements in haemoglobin, causing it to momentarily glow in the dark, allowing police to take night photography of the phenomenon.

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Luminol_Traces
Gives more details.

Amanda did have a long welt on her neck, more like a scratch - her own knife turned on herself?! - and her lower earring, of several, appears to have been ripped off. Raf's face in the shots outside the cottage, where the pair were canoodling, shows a nasty graze across his chin.

There are actually few traces of Rudy's DNA beyond that found on the body, bag and pillowcase. The defence scientists themselves argued the bloody footprint was too undistiguished to identify it. Police said it was size 42 (Raf's size), whereas Rudy's is 45.

There was a blond hair found gripped in Mez' hand, another in her vagina and one across her bag. There was a ladies size 37 footprint in blood. There was a shard of glass from Filomena's room. As Rudy had long fled and the burglary was staged post-murder, it likely came from Amanda, who left a footprint on a card under Filomena's window, plus two mixed traces of her and Mez, in that room. There is no DNA trace of Rudy in Filomena's room, or small bathroom. IIRC papers were scattered around to give the burglary scene "credibility". Whoops! Amanda left her footprint on one of the cards!

There was a bloody fingerprint on the small bathroom lightswitch (Amanda's) depressed down, indicating it was dark at the time, together with Amanda's blood on the tap and in the bidet, left on or around 1/2 November 2007, proving her physical presence at the scene as of the time of the murder.

Police found all together five mixed DNA of Amanda and Mez, but none mixed with any of the other flat mates.

Raff's fingerprint was on the inside of Mez' door and also in Laura's room, and on a cigarette stub.

Phone records show Amanda was not at Raff's all evening, as claimed. Her text to Patrick was from nearby or at the cottage. Raff's PC was not in use from after the pair downloaded 'Amelie'. A manga cartoon auto-started afterwards. Both phones were switched off 8:45pm-ish. Raff's was not switched back on until 5:30am-ish, and the computer circa the same time, to play some grunge rock. (I myself used to play Motorhead's Ace of Spades or Adam & the Ants Prince Charming at top volume #11 a la Spinal Tap, to celebrate passing any particularly tough accountancy exam.)

The tedious soundbite, there is no trace of Amanda or Raf at the crime scene, is laughable.

I am here to kill ignorance!

But you knew all of this anyway.
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The luminol could be reacting with a number of substances, including the rust we see in the water leaking out of the hall radiator, but not blood as the second presumptive test ruled that out. Proof of blood is provided by a confirmatory test, which, because it is expensive, is not performed where a presumptive test is negative. So, there is no evidence of blood and Stefanoni, confronted with the details of her own investigation, which she had initially withheld from the court, confirmed it was not blood.

The mixed DNA results were a product of a skewed data set. Mixed samples of DNA are readily retrievable from intensively shared spaces. In the large bathroom, which all the flat mates used, there would be multiple different combinations of samples. There is no credible reason to suppose that mixed samples are indicative of guilt.

Your understanding of the sampling and physical evidence is deeply flawed. Amanda's fingerprint in blood was definitely not found, nor was her shoe print found in blood.

You have not been able to provide any evidence of a crime scene cleanup, an identification of the materials used, the manner of their disposal nor can you explain the absence of transfer evidence.

There is no evidence whatsoever of Amanda in Kercher's bedroom.
 
MichaelB said:
Peter Quennell posted the new afterward of Waiting To Be Heard on TJMK. Is that even legal? It sounds like he's going to post the whole book.
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When Pete Quennell goes down in a blaze of glory, it will be at the hand of Harper Collins, and no one else.

And then someone of his acquaintance will blame the Masons.
 
RWVBWL said:
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1 of the outlines might have been from the boyz pissin' at and under Riccardo's closed bedroom door,
and it flowed inward a bit. Possible?

So my question was how did the cops see it?

Using a Crime Scope?

if so, did the cops use a Crime Scope too upstairs
and know of that probable semen stain on Meredith Kercher's pillow case by Nov. 3rd?
When Dr. Stefanoni is talking about testing seminal fluid on the phone to her assistant Alessa,
as we have heard and seen in English subtitles?
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If you want to speculate if the cops used a crime scope in the upstairs appartment, it would be better to start with the photo of the cops using the crime scope in the upstairs appartment and perhaps the testimony of them using the crime scope instead of some hypothetical pissing contest.
 
MichaelB said:
Peter Quennell posted the new afterward of Waiting To Be Heard on TJMK. Is that even legal? It sounds like he's going to post the whole book.
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This, in my view is what's wrong with copyright law as it stands today. If Amanda and her publishers don't complain, then nothing happens. There's no way to know whether its legal or not, short of bringing a copyright complaint and seeking court action, and only then, finding out if a judge will back up the writer/publisher.

At least PQ is publishing something truthful for a change, assuming he did. I can't bear to look.
 
RWVBWL said:
Hi Dan O.,
I see your point, easily.

But I think that you miss understood mine, easy to do when I write.

I'm wondering if the cops drew an outline around some dried urine?
I drew their outline in red, to better highlight it.

The cops outline is perfect,
like as seen outside, perfect circles around every stairway blood spot.

The outline in Riccardo's bedroom just shows where the piss,
dried up and not visible to our naked eye on the Crime Scene video,
is at...

1 of the outlines might have been from the boyz pissin' at and under Riccardo's closed bedroom door,
and it flowed inward a bit. Possible?

So my question was how did the cops see it?

Using a Crime Scope?

if so, did the cops use a Crime Scope too upstairs
and know of that probable semen stain on Meredith Kercher's pillow case by Nov. 3rd?
When Dr. Stefanoni is talking about testing seminal fluid on the phone to her assistant Alessa,
as we have heard and seen in English subtitles?
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Hi RBWL,

I believe the cops were using red crayon to outline the drops of blood, and I'm guessing that's what the redlines on the floor were as well.

The piss on Riccardo's floor is a newer detail for me, but adds some color to the guys downstairs, plus their habit of pissing out the window (good thing they're on the ground floor!).

I think your question about whether Rudy had a drug test when arrested in Germany is a great question. I also wonder how long any drugs Rudy might have taken would remain in his system, since he was kind of on the run, short on cash, and was only finally captured a few weeks after the murder.

The more I see Stefanoni asking for a rush test on the 'presumed semen stain', the more I think that's just the truth staring us in the face. Of course she's talking about the semen stain from the murder room and not some other case, of course she rushed to get it tested, of course it excluded Raf and Patrick, and of course she suppressed the DNA results, like the other data she had suppressed and withheld..

How do I know? I don't, not really. But I believe it, because there is no other plausible explanation ever presented for that piece of video. And I don't think that kind of allegation can be raised in an Italian court without getting charged for "insulting" the police, or some similar form of threats used to silence the defense against police corruption.

I don't know how Stef & the police would have known, or on what basis they would presume, that the stain was semen, unless its obvious to them by sight. Or if they did use some equipment, then it would be helpful to have pictures of them employing such equipment as DanO points out. (If they did, I'll bet that equipment shows up on some of the video somewhere).

Anyway, all good questions. (You found Mignini with a hand held recorder talking to Lalli at the crimes scene, you sure you don't recall seeing a 'crime scope' in the crime scene videos somewhere?).
 
Vixen said:
Shocking!!!

It has already been pointed out that bleach will only react with luminol for up to eight hours after application. And in any case:

-----

if a crime scene is thoroughly cleaned with a bleach solution, residual cleaner will cause the entire crime scene to produce the typical blue glow, effectively camouflaging any organic evidence, such as blood.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminol
---------

Secondly the luminol tests carried out by the Scientific Police 18th Dec 2007 highlighted several footprints of Amanda's and Raf's genetic DNA. Remember, luminol reacts with the iron elements in haemoglobin, causing it to momentarily glow in the dark, allowing police to take night photography of the phenomenon.

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Luminol_Traces
Gives more details.

Amanda did have a long welt on her neck, more like a scratch - her own knife turned on herself?! - and her lower earring, of several, appears to have been ripped off. Raf's face in the shots outside the cottage, where the pair were canoodling, shows a nasty graze across his chin.

There are actually few traces of Rudy's DNA beyond that found on the body, bag and pillowcase. The defence scientists themselves argued the bloody footprint was too undistiguished to identify it. Police said it was size 42 (Raf's size), whereas Rudy's is 45.

There was a blond hair found gripped in Mez' hand, another in her vagina and one across her bag. There was a ladies size 37 footprint in blood. There was a shard of glass from Filomena's room. As Rudy had long fled and the burglary was staged post-murder, it likely came from Amanda, who left a footprint on a card under Filomena's window, plus two mixed traces of her and Mez, in that room. There is no DNA trace of Rudy in Filomena's room, or small bathroom. IIRC papers were scattered around to give the burglary scene "credibility". Whoops! Amanda left her footprint on one of the cards!

There was a bloody fingerprint on the small bathroom lightswitch (Amanda's) depressed down, indicating it was dark at the time, together with Amanda's blood on the tap and in the bidet, left on or around 1/2 November 2007, proving her physical presence at the scene as of the time of the murder.

Police found all together five mixed DNA of Amanda and Mez, but none mixed with any of the other flat mates.

Raff's fingerprint was on the inside of Mez' door and also in Laura's room, and on a cigarette stub.

Phone records show Amanda was not at Raff's all evening, as claimed. Her text to Patrick was from nearby or at the cottage. Raff's PC was not in use from after the pair downloaded 'Amelie'. A manga cartoon auto-started afterwards. Both phones were switched off 8:45pm-ish. Raff's was not switched back on until 5:30am-ish, and the computer circa the same time, to play some grunge rock. (I myself used to play Motorhead's Ace of Spades or Adam & the Ants Prince Charming at top volume #11 a la Spinal Tap, to celebrate passing any particularly tough accountancy exam.)*

The tedious soundbite, there is no trace of Amanda or Raf at the crime scene, is laughable.

I am here to kill ignorance!

But you knew all of this anyway.

*ETA Numerous witnesses, including police, testified Amanda was in a highly euphoric condition immediately after the murder. For example, in the questura, the lingerie shop, diary entries, etc.
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Is this whole thing being cut and pasted from another source? It surely cannot have been written by the same vixen that was educated on her errors the the last time she was here. Did she learn nothing about negative substrate controls in the discussions of blood drops in the bath? The same applies to DNA traces in the hall.

Did she not read the explanation of the phone reception from the distant tower at Raffaele's appartment that I posted in response to her last attempt to post the Amanda not at Raf's place meme? I worked this out much earlier in these threads from examination of the physical arangement of the towers and streets and posted the results here with pictures. The same result was derived by Raffaele's phone expert in measuring actual signal strengths.

Every one of these guilter talking points has been dispelled with actual facts and yet here is vixen, rebooted just like Machiavelli used to do, reposting the same discredited talking points as if there had been no discussion.

When is the spamming going to end?
 
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