Dave Rogers
Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through
It's always easier to attack someone else's argument than defend your own, isn't it? It's one of the defining features of a conspiracy theorist.
Dave
Moderated JFK conspiracy theories: it never ends III
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It's always easier to attack someone else's argument than defend your own, isn't it? It's one of the defining features of a conspiracy theorist.
Dave
Dave Rogers
Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through
Well, he claims he's fixed your grammar by making the subject singular and hence incompatible with the plural form of the verb. That's a pretty tough argument to refute.
Dave
Axxman300
Philosopher
Clint Hill, the first Secret Service agent to reach the limo says Jackie was reaching for a skull fragment:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/05/clint-hill-memoir-book-jfk_n_1405318.html
He testified to this in front of the Warren Commission:
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh2/pdf/wh2_hill.pdf
(it's at the bottom of page 138)
A skull fragment was found the next day in this location.
I understand that some skeptics have a hissy-fit about it because IDIOT CT-LOONS think that a fragment proves a frontal bullet impact - which it does not. The shot clearly comes from behind, shattering the skull. When one factors in that there's a brain inside, and that the skull is covered by skin the action of the head and its fragments are not inconsistent with a shot from behind.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/05/clint-hill-memoir-book-jfk_n_1405318.html
He testified to this in front of the Warren Commission:
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh2/pdf/wh2_hill.pdf
(it's at the bottom of page 138)
A skull fragment was found the next day in this location.
I understand that some skeptics have a hissy-fit about it because IDIOT CT-LOONS think that a fragment proves a frontal bullet impact - which it does not. The shot clearly comes from behind, shattering the skull. When one factors in that there's a brain inside, and that the skull is covered by skin the action of the head and its fragments are not inconsistent with a shot from behind.
Jango
Graduate Poster
You've got to be kidding. That's the SOP of this entire *********** sub-forum. Yous routinely moan for alternative theories to attack. And I have defended my argument, hence, my continued involvement. Get with the program, man.
JayUtah
Penultimate Amazing
Do you have relevant point? Your argument has nothing to do with the claims you've made about the Kennedy assassination. As usual, your argument is simply how those darned skeptics are so unfair and irrational.
I made no claim, and I don't need to have an opinion about someone else's claims in order to hold you accountable for your claims. It's abundantly clear you have absolutely no intention of being so accountable.
Noise.
JayUtah
Penultimate Amazing
No, you simply stated your belief and acted as if it were a foregone conclusion. I have asked you a number of questions intended to determine how you arrived at your conclusion and interpretation. You ignore them all in favor of an increasingly vulgar diatribe against your critics.
Dave Rogers
Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through
You've posted some irrelevant information that doesn't support your argument, insulted everyone who doesn't agree with you, and then just whined a lot. I wouldn't call any of that an effective defence of your argument.
Dave
BStrong
Penultimate Amazing
Now we're getting somewhere, but it's worth noting that the poster advancing the theory couldn't carry his own water.
And you're absolutely correct that blood/brain/skull evidence on the trunk does not establish a shot from the front.
Jango
Graduate Poster
FTFY again.
I arrived at my conclusion by watching the God damn video AND reading what Mrs. Kennedy *********** said!
Axxman300
Philosopher
Thank you, and I hope I get points for posting non-woo links to try to make my case.
Jango
Graduate Poster
As if you didn't know about that already.
Proven wrong about the ejecta, but at least you've got this additional fallback position. Convenient, eh.
BStrong
Penultimate Amazing
Absolutely.
Jango
Graduate Poster
I don't post woo sources either. Have I gotten points for it? Nope, not yet.
Axxman300
Philosopher
Mrs Kennedy states in her Warren Commission testimony that she has no memory of climbing onto the trunk at all.
Whatever she was screaming in the back of the limousine in those awful few seconds should not be over scrutinized.
Jango
Graduate Poster
Because your side in this "debate" has been losing since the ejecta conversation has been brought up. One of your own has helped me prove that. I can only say something so many times before frustration sets in. And I'm getting tired of so-called grown ass men whining about being talked down to. If yous find what I say to be so offensive and hurtful, perhaps a reevaluation of balls & spine is in order.
BStrong
Penultimate Amazing
As if you didn't know about that already.
Proven wrong about the ejecta, but at least you've got this additional fallback position. Convenient, eh.
No, I accept that Clint Hill made that statement - we have no statement from Mrs. Kennedy supporting your version, but Hill notes, "Her eyes were filled with terror.. kind of establishes the context there which happens to support panic rather than deliberate action.
Jango
Graduate Poster
I wouldn't doubt that she was in 'shock'. Her husband was being murdered right in front of her. When I was involved in a hellacious car accident, my wife didn't remember crawling around on her hands and knees picking up all of the stuff that had been ejected from my car. But, she did. Just like Mrs. Kennedy did go after ejecta from the back of the President's head. Thanks for the backup, BTW. I'll catch you on the flipside if the situation ever arises.
HSienzant
Philosopher
Hilarious. You don't get to make stuff up, re-interpret the evidence and the testimony to your liking, and then try to tell us what to believe.
Or more accurately, you can try that, but don't be surprised if many people don't fall for it.
Nowhere did Jackie say anything about going onto the trunk to retrieve anything on the trunk - and I'm surprised you even thought those quotes were even close. You are just trying to shove your square conspiracy peg into a round hole.
Hank
BStrong
Penultimate Amazing
Not by any criteria I can point to, but declarations of success (in the Black Knight sense of the word) is the lingua franca of the conspiracy theorists world.
Macgyver1968
Philosopher
I ride through Dealey Plaza twice a day on the bus ride to work. I can't help but think of the assassination each time. The only real place for a frontal shot would have been on the bridge that spans Elm/Main/Commerce. It would be really hard for someone to hide up there with a rifle and a pretty long trek to flee the scene.
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