Continuation Part 16: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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The father of forensic criminology, French criminologist Dr Edmond Locard said, ‘That a criminal will always carry away with him some trace from the scene of his crime, and leave some of his presence behind’.

It's my belief perp B was the "brains" behind the clean-up. Perp A was just too dumb, or arrogant, to care about a "speckle" of blood. Certainly put perp B "in it", by failing to remove the incriminating bathmat.



Ah, so at least you appear now to have stated what you actually believe: that Knox and Sollecito participated in Meredith Kercher's murder (not Mez's, and definitely not Mez'....) and that they both participated in a clean-up operation after the murder. Would that be an accurate reflection of your belief?
 
This is typically true. The swirls are created by the excess blood and water that can't be absorbed into the cleaning cloth remaining on the surface. There is a technique where only a small amount of water is used such that the entire liquid content is easily absorbed by the cloth. This technique is used when it is important to collect as much of the stain as possible and time is not an issue. We see the technique being used in the crime scene videos of November 3 and we see the results in the before and after stills and the Luminal photo taken December 18.

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=597&pictureid=8086[/qimg]
(showing the Luminal image and what the site looked like before completely removing the visible stain)

Thanks for the clarification. Someone not having luminol (or any method to visualize the otherwise invisible residual stain) or experience in collecting stains, however, is unlikely to have used the minimal-water clean-up method.
 
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We can surmise perp C (Rudy) forcibly restrained Mez by holding her hands behind her back, as evidenced by bruising to Mez forearms and elbows, and perp C's DNA on Mez' sweatshirt cuffs. Someone pulled out huge chunks of Mez' hair.

No, someone didn't. Where's the evidence - either in the form of missing "huge chunks" of Kercher's (not Mez's, and definitely not Mez') hair noted at autopsy, or in the form of "huge chunks" of Kercher's hair found at the crime scene or elsewhere?


Bruises around Mez' lower cheek and jaw line had bruises consistent with a perp with female sized hands.


It's impossible to determine the size of the hand that made those contusions.


From facial swelling, she was no doubt punched in the face.


Yes, she was.


There were 43 bruises and nicks, in addition to the 4 neck stabs crossing over on her left and right side of neck, approached from opposing directions and with different knives, so we can infer perp A and B wielded one each, unless perp C had six arms, like some latter day Vishnu or Shiva (?) as he was sexually assaulting Mez at the same time.


Firstly, the stab wounds are included in the 43 total. Secondly, this total includes every single mark on the body found at autopsy. As has been pointed out many times before, it's a huge mistake to conclude that all of these marks must necessarily have been inflicted during the attack and murder. For example, Kercher had been at a rowdy, crowded party the night before, and had had a great deal of alcohol to drink, so it's entirely reasonable to think that she might have accumulated some small bruises or marks from jostling people or fixtures/fittings. I am guessing that if you did a proper forensic examination of your own entire body right now, you'd find at least several small marks or bruises.

Secondly, it's utterly erroneous to state that the knife wounds were made from opposing directions with different knives. In fact, the knife wounds are totally compatible with being made by one person (situated behind Kercher and reaching round her from behind) with one small, narrow-bladed knife. Your "inference" is risibly incorrect.


The lady's size footprint in blood indicates at least one perp was female.


Completely incorrect. The shoe print was adequately shown to have been an embarrassing error on the part of the "crack" footprint analysis police team. And the blurry smudges revealed by Luminol in the hallway could just as easily have been deposited either before or after the murder (and, incidentally, are in themselves categorical proof that the hallway floor was not mopped down).



One perp, C (Rudy) left African hair, one perp left chestnut hair, and one left fair hair.


Completely incorrect. There was apparently an African hair found on the windowsill of Romanelli's room, but it strangely went missing and was never analysed or entered into evidence. There was a light fibre found attached to Kercher's hand, but likewise it strangely went missing and was never analysed or entered into evidence. The other hair was very likely Kercher's, though it too was never analysed or entered into evidence.



As DNA, footprint, cellphone, location, confession, circumstances (lack of alibi) and behaviour; together with the fact of Amanda's DNA on the handle of the murder weapon and Mez DNA on the blade, prosecutors were able to build a case Amanda was in their view the Svengali figure who wielded the fatal blow, possibly to silence Mez' scream, which by her own account she witnessed, with perps C and B as the spineless low life characters in her thrall.


Interesting use of florid language. And all of these items of "evidence" can be satisfactorily shown to be either inherently unreliable, subject to misinterpretation by prosecutors and certain courts (whether willful or not....), or simply plain wrong.



Matteini and Micheli didn't spell it out, but implied Rudy was an accessory, rather than the main killer. Matteini remanded both Amanda and Raf in custody, as being highly dangerous.


Pretty much every single part of Mignini's argument to Matteini regarding Knox and Sollecito subsequently turned out to be either a gross distortion or entirely wrong.
 
Kauffer, you remind me of a

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Jagdterrier.jpg


You will not let anything go.

Amanda confirmed to Mignini the blood had not been there the day before.


I think you're misusing the term "confirmed".
 
For those interested in the ECHR and Amanda's application against Italy for the calunnia conviction:

The applicants in Ibrahim et al. v. the UK, in which the ECHR made explicit a five-point outline for use in judging whether or not use by the authorities of statements made during interrogation without a lawyer and used for conviction violate the Convention, have asked for a Grand Chamber review of the case. The Chamber judgment found no violation of the Convention by the UK.

Source: ECHR press release on the ECHR home page http://www.echr.coe.int/Pages/home.aspx?p=home&c=. The case: Ibrahim and Others v. the United Kingdom (nos. 50541/08, 50571/08, 50573/08 and 40351/09), judgment of 16 December 2014.

The ECHR procedure for such requests for GC review is that a five-judge panel first reviews the case to decide whether or not is should be referred to the GC. If the decision is to refer, a seventeen-judge GC panel would proceed with a review. The decision by the five-judge panel is scheduled to be announced 2 June 2015.

It would be unlikely that a GC review of Ibrahim et al., especially if more favorable to the applicants, could have any negative effect for Amanda Knox's claims that her Convention rights were violated when her application is judged by the ECHR.
 
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So you cannot provide support for your claim about the beliefs of the pre-trial judges. That's good, because judges should not have beliefs about the guilt of a suspect before the suspect is tried.

One perp, C (Rudy) left African hair, one perp left chestnut hair, and one left fair hair.

According to very early news reports, an African hair was found at the crime scene, possibly in Meredith's hand. That evidence was buried and later denied, though, the reason being that if the police suspected an African in the crime, it would explain why they framed Patrick Lumumba the way they did.

Thus, to state that the police had an African hair is not a kosher pro-guilt argument. It contradicts the pro-guilt claim that Amanda was the one who brought Patrick to the attention of the police, not the other way around.

No, the hair found gripped in Mez' hand was a long blond one. There is a photo in police archives, but the hair itself was lost.
 
I think you're misusing the term "confirmed".

When being interviewed by the district prosecutor, you tell the truth.

Are you saying Amanda lied, when she said the bathroom was clean the day before (i.e., devoid of blood stains)?

Why lie to the police, trying to solve the brutal murder of your room mate?
 
This is a totally disgusting, inappropriate, and unvetted statement.

Just what motivates you, Vixen, to post this tripe?


It is completely true. Amanda was attending a simple language school, open to anyone who wants to enrol. Amanda's course was not accredited to Uni Washington.
 
Ah, so at least you appear now to have stated what you actually believe: that Knox and Sollecito participated in Meredith Kercher's murder (not Mez's, and definitely not Mez'....) and that they both participated in a clean-up operation after the murder. Would that be an accurate reflection of your belief?

Firstly, you appear ignorant of good grammar. Anything ending in "s", "z" or "x" can show the possessive as either "-es", or, "-'". For example, "Joneses car" or "Jones' car".

Secondly, you appear to be concluding that perp A and perp B could only have been Amanda and Raf.

Good logic.

ETA And, also, of course, "-'s", as in "Jones's car".
 
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Your explanation above to explain that homework was optional is your attempt to shift attention from your earlier statement that Amanda did not have homework, which was itself an effort to depreciate her. Amanda did homework. She turned it in.

Anyway, only an idiot, or someone puffed up with self-importance, would go into a police station to do their homework and then get offended when addressed by the police.
 
When being interviewed by the district prosecutor, you tell the truth.

Are you saying Amanda lied, when she said the bathroom was clean the day before (i.e., devoid of blood stains)?

Why lie to the police, trying to solve the brutal murder of your room mate?


No Vixen. It is you that is being lied to by your source. Why do you allow yourself to be duped? When we discussed this here back in 2010 we dug up the original statements and showed that Amanda's statements were entirely consistent with her innocence. You yourself had misinterpreted the image of the stain on the tap. You thought the reflections on the tap were part of the stain. Amanda had been seeing that reflection on that tap for two months and had gotten used to it. The small drip of blood was hidden amoung the reflections so wouldn't be noticed except by close inspection. After getting out of the shower Amanda saw the blood stain on the mat. This prompted her to pay more attention to the details and this is when she noticed the other drips of blood including the one on the tap.

You have repeated several times that the stain on the tap was mixed blood. Have you looked at the references you've been pointed to? Have you looked at the testimony of Patriza Stefanoni? Are you ready to retract that statement?
 
It is completely true. Amanda was attending a simple language school, open to anyone who wants to enrol. Amanda's course was not accredited to Uni Washington.

I've gone over this before. You are 100 percent wrong about the language courses not being accredited. I posted links to this before. It is part of UW's Study Abroad program. You can find this on their website. But I don't expect you to do the research since you have never been interested in the truth. Only a sick demented fantasy that you cooked up in your head.

Please do the research and learn something.
 
I've gone over this before. You are 100 percent wrong about the language courses not being accredited. I posted links to this before. It is part of UW's Study Abroad program. You can find this on their website. But I don't expect you to do the research since you have never been interested in the truth. Only a sick demented fantasy that you cooked up in your head.

Please do the research and learn something.

This is not something cooked up in her head. It is taken from Peter Quennell's website, which is still going.

Soon there will be a report lifted from PQ's site that the Marasca/Bruno ruling will be overturned by presidential decree because the Sollecito's used their Mafia contacts to pay off the Italian Supreme Court.

It used to be that innocence/exoneration findings were attributed to a Masonic/American Media conspiracy. I guess these are related conspiracies because if you change only TWO letters.....

Media
Mafia

They are obviously almost the same. But what Vixen has posted is not new. Most of it goes back to 2009 when Mignini/Comodi were presenting their case to the Massei court - and tabloid media and the gullible took them at face value. They did not understand that even IF Mignini/Comodi had had some basis for their own factoids, in law there's still the defence case.

Many just stopped collecting information when Mignini/Comodi rested their case in 2009. Vixen seems to be one.
 
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No, the hair found gripped in Mez' hand was a long blond one. There is a photo in police archives, but the hair itself was lost.

Do you know where the African and chestnut hairs are?
 
Do you know where the African and chestnut hairs are?

See here:


Hairs

(Dr. Stefanoni Genetic Test, SAL report, Dr. Stefanoni slide presentation)
Of the over 480 tests prepared on samples, 93 of these constituted hairs or fibers. 86 were human hairs of varying length, in varying colors. The most significant colors noted were black, blonde, chestnut, light chestnut and red chestnut.
Only 3 hairs yielded DNA; all 3 hairs yielded DNA compatible with Ms. Kercher’s DNA. All 3 hairs were chestnut colored and over 15 cm long.
35 hairs were chestnut in color; the vast majority of these were found in Ms. Kercher’s room. 2 were also found on a kitchen sponge at Sollecito’s apartment.
7 hairs were black in color. 6 of these were 4 cm long or less, and so likely Guede’s hair. 4 of these were on the duvet and 1 was on the mattress cover, both in Ms. Kercher’s room. 1 was also on a sponge at Sollecito’s apartment.
21 blonde hairs were analyzed, and were likely Knox’s hairs. Most were found at Sollecito’s apartment, 10 on a sponge in the kitchen and 5 on a sweater.
Of the 6 blonde hairs found at the cottage, 2 were on the duvet, 1 was inside the small bathroom sink, 1 was on Ms. Kercher’s purse and 1 was on her mattress cover.
4 light chestnut hairs were found. 3 of these were 9 cm long or less. 1 was found on the kitchen sponge; 1 was found on the bra and one was found on Ms. Kercher’s sweat jacket. Sollecito had light chestnut colored hair.


http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Evidence_List#Hairs
 
I've gone over this before. You are 100 percent wrong about the language courses not being accredited. I posted links to this before. It is part of UW's Study Abroad program. You can find this on their website. But I don't expect you to do the research since you have never been interested in the truth. Only a sick demented fantasy that you cooked up in your head.

Please do the research and learn something.

If this is so, how come Amanda herself does not mention it in her book?

Please advise which degree course you claim this was a part?
 
No Vixen. It is you that is being lied to by your source. Why do you allow yourself to be duped? When we discussed this here back in 2010 we dug up the original statements and showed that Amanda's statements were entirely consistent with her innocence. You yourself had misinterpreted the image of the stain on the tap. You thought the reflections on the tap were part of the stain. Amanda had been seeing that reflection on that tap for two months and had gotten used to it. The small drip of blood was hidden amoung the reflections so wouldn't be noticed except by close inspection. After getting out of the shower Amanda saw the blood stain on the mat. This prompted her to pay more attention to the details and this is when she noticed the other drips of blood including the one on the tap.

You have repeated several times that the stain on the tap was mixed blood. Have you looked at the references you've been pointed to? Have you looked at the testimony of Patriza Stefanoni? Are you ready to retract that statement?


If it was a tiny speck, almost indiscernable to human eye, then that may explain why Amanda did not simply wipe it off. Fact is, Amanda's blood was found mixed with Mez'.

There is no getting away from it. Yes, you might try to downplay it by saying, "Amanda lived there".

How do you explain five mixed DNA traces all together found at the murder scene of Amanda and Mez. Not Amanda and Filomena, not Filomena and Mez, not Amanda and Laura, not Laura and Mez, not Laura and Filomena. Of the probability of 16% of finding one such permutation (4 x 4), the probability of finding FIVE of *just Amanda and Mez mixed DNA* is ( 0.16 x 0.16 x 0.16 x 0.16 x 0.16).

IOW Vanishingly remote. Easily within the 0.01 significance level, or three standard deviations, that this occurred purely by chance, "because Amanda lived there".
 
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See here:


Hairs

(Dr. Stefanoni Genetic Test, SAL report, Dr. Stefanoni slide presentation)
Of the over 480 tests prepared on samples, 93 of these constituted hairs or fibers. 86 were human hairs of varying length, in varying colors. The most significant colors noted were black, blonde, chestnut, light chestnut and red chestnut.
Only 3 hairs yielded DNA; all 3 hairs yielded DNA compatible with Ms. Kercher’s DNA. All 3 hairs were chestnut colored and over 15 cm long.
35 hairs were chestnut in color; the vast majority of these were found in Ms. Kercher’s room. 2 were also found on a kitchen sponge at Sollecito’s apartment.
7 hairs were black in color. 6 of these were 4 cm long or less, and so likely Guede’s hair. 4 of these were on the duvet and 1 was on the mattress cover, both in Ms. Kercher’s room. 1 was also on a sponge at Sollecito’s apartment.
21 blonde hairs were analyzed, and were likely Knox’s hairs. Most were found at Sollecito’s apartment, 10 on a sponge in the kitchen and 5 on a sweater.
Of the 6 blonde hairs found at the cottage, 2 were on the duvet, 1 was inside the small bathroom sink, 1 was on Ms. Kercher’s purse and 1 was on her mattress cover.
4 light chestnut hairs were found. 3 of these were 9 cm long or less. 1 was found on the kitchen sponge; 1 was found on the bra and one was found on Ms. Kercher’s sweat jacket. Sollecito had light chestnut colored hair.


http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Evidence_List#Hairs

Could you please quote any mention of these hairs in Massei or Nencini?
 
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