Continuation Part 16: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Vixen]

Your explanation above to explain that homework was optional is your attempt to shift attention from your earlier statement that Amanda did not have homework, which was itself an effort to depreciate her. Amanda did homework. She turned it in.

It was not at all, it was an objective observation.

 

[Bill Williams]

I think Massei more or less makes this claim, however, it might be my reading comprehension which is faulty so I hope others will read and give their opinion.

While he didn't use the exact words "Amanda wielded the knife," Massei said on page 375 this:



And on page 376 this:

It must be also emphasised that the presence of biological traces discovered on the handle of this knife, - and on which, regarding its attribution to Amanda, there was advanced no particular censure nor perplexity, - appears more likely to have been derived from her having held the knife to strike, rather than from having used it to cut some food.

There is some more to read before page 375 and after page 376, however, I don't know if that will add any more clarity to the subject.

Thanks for this. I missed it, and these words DO change the matter a bit as far as Massei's beliefs are concerned.

 

[Bill Williams]

Ya - that was so convincing, even to Vogt, she completely did a 180 afterwards.

Do you realize you just did a 180?

Either that, or my snarkiness towards Vogt did not survive translation!

 

[Vixen]

Each post you make ascends new peaks of ignorance. The Locard Exchange principle does say these two things - that a perpetrator will leave evidence of him or herself at the crime scene AND take evidence from the crime scene away. What this means is that we would in this case expect to see, if Amanda was a participant in the murder, some physical evidence of her presence in Kercher's room - there was nothing. We would expect to see blood evidence on her clothes - there was none. And we would also expect to see blood evidence at Raffaele's apartment or in his car. Yet, there is nothing.

There was a long strand of blond hair across the top of Mez' open bag on the bed, there was Amanda's lamp, absent from Amanda's fingerprints, ladies size 37 shoeprint. DNA on knife handle and blade.

As there was a time delay of 14-15 hours, we can infer the fact police could find no fingerprints, at all, there was a good old cleanup, including wiping all surfaces.

ETA At Raf's apartment, there was a sponge with the same African hair, Mez' hair, Amanda's hair and Raf's hair as found in the murder room.

Raf's DNA was under a pillow, under the body, itself under a duvet, on a clasp concealed by fabric overlap.

 

[Bill Williams]

There was a long strand of blond hair across the top of Mez' open bag on the bed, there was Amanda's lamp, absent from Amanda's fingerprints, ladies size 37 shoeprint. DNA on knife handle and blade.

As there was a time delay of 14-15 hours, we can infer the fact police could find no fingerprints, at all, there was a good old cleanup, including wiping all surfaces.

ETA At Raf's apartment, there was a sponge with the same African hair, Mez' hair, Amanda's hair and Raf's hair as found in the murder room.

Raf's DNA was under a pillow, under the body, itself under a duvet, on a clasp concealed by fabric overlap.

Why, then, did the Supreme Court exonerate RS and AK? Most of the stuff here, you just made up.

What was the lamp in Mez's room for?

 

[Vixen]

Being promiscuous has NOTHING to do with prostitution. And while sleeping with random people offers health issues such as STDs, it is NOT relevant or provide a meaningful correlation to violence.

This bizarre desire to somehow draw a corollary between Joanna Dennehy demonstrates a lack of understanding about both people. In fact, the descriptions about Amanda and Joanna were in fact DRAMATICALLY diffrrent. But hey why ruin your macabre horror novel?

It does, if you sleep with men in exchange for drugs.

 

[Vixen]

Why, then, did the Supreme Court exonerate RS and AK? Most of the stuff here, you just made up.

What was the lamp in Mez's room for?

A clue is in Rudy's statement, the light in Mez room was dim.

Only the killer would return later to apply a bright light from a lamp taken from Amanda's room and placed on the floor.

 

[acbytesla]

There was a long strand of blond hair across the top of Mez' open bag on the bed, there was Amanda's lamp, absent from Amanda's fingerprints, ladies size 37 shoeprint. DNA on knife handle.

As there was a time delay of 14-15 hours, we can infer the fact police could find no fingerprints, at all, there was a good old cleanup, including wiping all surfaces.

Actually, we can't. As a cleanup leaves the evidence of cleanup. They leave telltale swirls. And the difficulty of eliminating only the evidence of just themselves and not Rudy is beyond farcical, it's simply impossible.

The joke has always been and totally true, that Amanda and Raffaele would have to hover in bright lighting and be equipped with special glasses that would allow them see and discern their own DNA.

Seriously Vixen, do you actually think about these absurd ideas at all? Or do you just post them without the slightest care if they are even remotely possible?

 

[Bill Williams]

Why, then, did the Supreme Court exonerate RS and AK? Most of the stuff here, you just made up.

What was the lamp in Mez's room for?

A clue is in Rudy's statement, the light in Mez room was dim.

Only the killer would return later to apply a bright light from a lamp taken from Amanda's room and placed on the floor.

What was the lamp for? If the light was dim, why would "only the killer" need a lamp? Why exclude the postal police who needed to see into Mez's room?

 

[Bill Williams]

It does, if you sleep with men in exchange for drugs.

Who did that? Please provide a citation rather than just claim or assert it.

 

[acbytesla]

It does, if you sleep with men in exchange for drugs.

Yet you don't have a shred of evidence to support that claim do you? Not a soul has EVER come forward saying Amanda has ever taken any drug outside of a little cannabis. Not a soul in Italy or the US has witnessed Amanda doing coke, or meth,or heroin, or peyote or any mind altering drugs. In fact, while in prison.the guards tried very hard to get Amanda to take medications and she refused.

So the idea that Amanda traded sexual favors for drugs is just part of your own sick fantasy and has no basis in reality does it?

 

[Grinder]

Amanda confirmed to Mignini the blood had not been there the day before.

And why did she do that?

Btw, no footprint or shoe print in blood was found in a woman's size.

 

[Numbers]

Actually, we can't. As a cleanup leaves the evidence of cleanup. They leave telltale swirls. And the difficulty of eliminating only the evidence of just themselves and not Rudy is beyond farcical, it's simply impossible.

The joke has always been and totally true, that Amanda and Raffaele would have to hover in bright lighting and be equipped with special glasses that would allow them see and discern their own DNA.
Seriously Vixen, do you actually think about these absurd ideas at all? Or do you just post them without the slightest care if they are even remotely possible?

A word is missing from the sentence in your quote.

The joke has always been and totally true, that Amanda and Raffaele would have to hover in bright lighting and be equipped with special magical glasses that would allow them see and discern their own DNA.

Guilters either do not know that visualization of DNA strands requires microscopy, or they are hoaxers. As for Italian prosecutors and certain Italian judges, they are either ignorant or acting in bad faith when they propose a selective clean-up of DNA or blood traces.

Although DNA strands in chromosomes may have lengths of 10s of millimeters (the largest in humans is 85 mm long), the width of the strand is no more than about 3 nanometers. [Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA]. Neither chromosomes nor individual human epithelial or white blood cells are visible without a microscope.

Cleaning up blood stains typically leaves residual hemoglobin from red blood cells in a swirl pattern that can be detected with luminol and TMB. There were no such patterns detected at the murder scene.

 

[acbytesla]

A word is missing from the sentence in your quote.

The joke has always been and totally true, that Amanda and Raffaele would have to hover in bright lighting and be equipped with special magical glasses that would allow them see and discern their own DNA.

Guilters either do not know that visualization of DNA strands requires microscopy, or they are hoaxers. As for Italian prosecutors and certain Italian judges, they are either ignorant or acting in bad faith when they propose a selective clean-up of DNA or blood traces.

Although DNA strands in chromosomes may have lengths of 10s of millimeters (the largest in humans is 85 mm long), the width of the strand is no more than about 3 nanometers. [Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA]. Neither chromosomes nor individual human epithelial or white blood cells are visible without a microscope.

Cleaning up blood stains typically leaves residual hemoglobin from red blood cells in a swirl pattern that can be detected with luminol and TMB. There were no such patterns detected at the murder scene.

I stand corrected. Mea culpa.

 

[Dan O.]

Evidence of cleanup

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Cleaning up blood stains typically leaves residual hemoglobin from red blood cells in a swirl pattern that can be detected with luminol and TMB. There were no such patterns detected at the murder scene.

This is typically true. The swirls are created by the excess blood and water that can't be absorbed into the cleaning cloth remaining on the surface. There is a technique where only a small amount of water is used such that the entire liquid content is easily absorbed by the cloth. This technique is used when it is important to collect as much of the stain as possible and time is not an issue. We see the technique being used in the crime scene videos of November 3 and we see the results in the before and after stills and the Luminal photo taken December 18.

(showing the Luminal image and what the site looked like before completely removing the visible stain)

 

[Mary_H]

We can surmise perp C (Rudy) forcibly restrained Mez by holding her hands behind her back, as evidenced by bruising to Mez forearms and elbows, and perp C's DNA on Mez' sweatshirt cuffs. Someone pulled out huge chunks of Mez' hair.

Bruises around Mez' lower cheek and jaw line had bruises consistent with a perp with female sized hands. From facial swelling, she was no doubt punched in the face.

There were 43 bruises and nicks, in addition to the 4 neck stabs crossing over on her left and right side of neck, approached from opposing directions and with different knives, so we can infer perp A and B wielded one each, unless perp C had six arms, like some latter day Vishnu or Shiva (?) as he was sexually assaulting Mez at the same time.

The lady's size footprint in blood indicates at least one perp was female.

One perp, C (Rudy) left African hair, one perp left chestnut hair, and one left fair hair.

As DNA, footprint, cellphone, location, confession, circumstances (lack of alibi) and behaviour; together with the fact of Amanda's DNA on the handle of the murder weapon and Mez DNA on the blade, prosecutors were able to build a case Amanda was in their view the Svengali figure who wielded the fatal blow, possibly to silence Mez' scream, which by her own account she witnessed, with perps C and B as the spineless low life characters in her thrall.

Matteini and Micheli didn't spell it out, but implied Rudy was an accessory, rather than the main killer. Matteini remanded both Amanda and Raf in custody, as being highly dangerous.

So you cannot provide support for your claim about the beliefs of the pre-trial judges. That's good, because judges should not have beliefs about the guilt of a suspect before the suspect is tried.

One perp, C (Rudy) left African hair, one perp left chestnut hair, and one left fair hair.

According to very early news reports, an African hair was found at the crime scene, possibly in Meredith's hand. That evidence was buried and later denied, though, the reason being that if the police suspected an African in the crime, it would explain why they framed Patrick Lumumba the way they did.

Thus, to state that the police had an African hair is not a kosher pro-guilt argument. It contradicts the pro-guilt claim that Amanda was the one who brought Patrick to the attention of the police, not the other way around.

 

[Mary_H]

Sadly, Mignini was at the time technically considered a "judge" however bizarre that sounds.

Very true.

What does Simon Cowell think?

Simon has proven himself to be rather bad at first impressions. I don't think he would have rushed into this the way Mignini did.

As for a desire to limit discussion in hopes of staying on topic, voluntary rules don't seem to work too well in the absence of good faith, tsall I'm saying.

I agree.

 

[sept79]

As a simple language school, any homework was optional, not accredited as course work towards a module.

This is a totally disgusting, inappropriate, and unvetted statement.

Just what motivates you, Vixen, to post this tripe?

 

[Matthew Best]

Jealousy.

 

[MichaelB]

One of the things rarely mentioned is this guy who reported Guede to police on November 13.

From Micheli:

[73] Prior to that, though, information was obtained from numerous subjects who had had ways of knowing or visiting the accused, with particular regard to the more recent periods: already on the 13th of November, RUDY’s name had been put forward by Mr LOUIS PATRICK TEMGOUA NDONGMO, a Cameroon student/worker who had indicated him as a regular game companion for the basketball games in the small courts in front of University for Foreigners (where the witness denied having been on the late evening of the 1st of November, having left not later than 19:00, without in any case having seen Mr GUEDE with whom he had been playing for about a month).

There's gotta be more to it. We don't have his statement.