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Michael Brown shooting II

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RandFan, have you never seen young thugs/punks/generic whatevers walking in the middle of the street as a demonstration of their power / frustration / something? It sounds like a small thing, but it can be really intimidating to a neighborhood. My parents are terrified when they have to drive through these groups of menacing youths. If a cop, after the eleventy-hundredth time passing punks walking in the middle of the street, used an F-bomb, this does not shock me nor disturb me.
 
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RandFan, have you never seen young thugs/punks/generic whatevers walking in the middle of the street as a demonstration of their power / frustration / something? It sounds like a small thing, but it can be really intimidating to a neighborhood. My parents are terrified when they have to drive through these groups of menacing youths. If a cop, after the eleventy-hundredth time passing punks walking in the middle of the street, used an F-bomb, this does not shock me nor disturb me.
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I'm happy to grant all of that (being poor I'm not at all unfamiliar with unruly youth wandering the neighborhood). Also, ftr, I was a counselor for the Utah Boys Ranch for 2 years while I was studying sociology at the University of Utah.

That said, the police don't exist as a means to themselves. Citizens do. No matter how bad people behave the job of a law enforcement officer is still to treat all citizens professionally.

There is no other reasonable option, you don't get to pick and choose when and if you follow policy, there is only professionalism and everything else AKA failure.

It's a dangerous job to be a cop on the beat. It's full of disrespect, unnecessary grand standing by citizens with an ax to grind, people who think they are lawyers and world class pricks like myself who have trouble with authority, etc.

At the end of the day do your job or accept you fail. It's a bitch but that's life.
 
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Does this apply to citizens?
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I didn't volunteer to be a citizen. On the contrary, I was born with certain unalienable rights. I have a duty to comply with the law and the EXPECTATION that I should oppose the law if my conscience so dictates (see civil disobedience).

Huge difference between the job of an officer and the responsibilities of a citizen.
 
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At this point it just seems the argument is: Wilson should be guilty of something.
I'm not seeing anything substantive though, just innuendo based on what Dorian Johnson said, which is in no way credible...
 
At this point the argument seems to be that Wilson should be guilty of something.
Dorian Johnson's word on any subject is worthless.
 
RandFan said:
I'm happy to grant all of that (being poor I'm not at all unfamiliar with unruly youth wandering the neighborhood). Also, ftr, I was a counselor for the Utah Boys Ranch for 2 years while I was studying sociology at the University of Utah.

That said, the police don't exist as a means to themselves. Citizens do. No matter how bad people behave the job of a law enforcement officer is still to treat all citizens professionally.

There is no other reasonable option, you don't get to pick and choose when and if you follow policy, there is only professionalism and everything else AKA failure.

It's a dangerous job to be a cop on the beat. It's full of disrespect, unnecessary grand standing by citizens with an ax to grind, people who think they are lawyers and world class pricks like myself who have trouble with authority, etc.

At the end of the day do your job or accept you fail. It's a bitch but that's life.
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In a perfect world, you are right. Until then, we will continue to recruit police officers from the pool of available humans.
 
Monketey Ghost said:
At this point it just seems the argument is: Wilson should be guilty of something.
I'm not seeing anything substantive though, just innuendo based on what Dorian Johnson said, which is in no way credible...
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I accept the legal outcome. I don't trust much of anything said by Ferguson PD as they are in no way credible.
 
carlitos said:
In a perfect world, you are right. Until then, we will continue to recruit police officers from the pool of available humans.
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Hopefully there will be a day when police officers don't routinely abuse people or otherwise break the law and keep their jobs. It's so prevalent it's become trite. It's as if there is a law that none of us know about that allows LE to abuse people.

Caught on Camera Punch Officer Gets His Job Back

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RandFan said:
Hopefully there will be a day when police officers don't routinely abuse people or otherwise break the law and keep their jobs. It's so prevalent it's become trite. It's as if there is a law that none of us know about that allows LE to abuse people.

Caught on Camera Punch Officer Gets His Job Back

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RandFan said:
Baltimore officer who beat man at bus stop pleads guilty, sentenced to six months jail

AND he got his job back.

Message to citizens, **** YOU!
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This thread is about St. Michael of Ferguson.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
This thread is about St. Michael of Ferguson.
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I'm on thin ice for being OT on at least two other incidents recently. Perhaps this will put me over the top and I will be suspended. We will see. I hope not but perhaps it's well deserved (one incident was particularly egregious, tu quote and irrelevant).

I posted it because it provides context. Carlitos made what I think is a very disturbing post. He seems to suggest that there is nothing we can do about police corruption because we must hire humans who are fallible.

In short, Carlitos seems to suggest that police corruption and abuse must be accepted because there is nothing that we can do.
 
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Exactly. That's a great characterization of my position.

Full disclosure, I'm hopping on an international flight and gone for a week. Please don't take this as a cheap shot to which I won't return. I'll try to catch up in a day or two.
 
carlitos said:
Exactly. That's a great characterization of my position.

Full disclosure, I'm hopping on an international flight and gone for a week. Please don't take this as a cheap shot to which I won't return. I'll try to catch up in a day or two.
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I did say "seems". Please feel free to correct me when you return. I will apologize in advance.
 
Monketey Ghost said:
Let's all be clear that Dorian Johnson is a scumbag, because his arrest record agrees.
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What was he convicted of previously? In the case of the strong arm robbery he may not have been convicted. I realize he might have been guilty of some kind of crime as an accomplice because he was there when Brown robbed the place, but he said he didn't know Brown intended to do that and didn't he put something back after Brown gave it to him?
 
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