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Michael Brown shooting II

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plague311 said:
He has also been convicted of multiple crimes previous to this one. So yes, it does.
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Evidence? I've seen several stories of charges, but I haven't read anything about convictions.

eta: see below.

plague311 said:
Why did they approach him Upchurch?
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Because of a 911 call about a group of black guys, possibly with guns. Turned out to not be true. Also, they thought Johnson might have narcotics in his drink, also not true.

plague311 said:
Visit my first point, I'm calling him a criminal because he has been convicted of crimes, and is now facing more criminal charges. Thanks for telling me what I'm doing though, I have no idea how I have been able to manage posting here for as long as I have without your helpful deciphering of my posts.
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Well, support your claim that he has a conviction and I'll withdraw my statement.

eta: In looking again, I did find one reference to him pleading guilty of lying to the police when he was a minor. That's a pretty loose criteria for labeling someone a criminal for the rest of his life, but I retract my statement with my apologies.
 
Upchurch said:
Because of a 911 call about a group of black guys, possibly with guns. Turned out to not be true. Also, they thought Johnson might have narcotics in his drink, also not true.
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Reading your post I felt that it implied the cops went up to him for no reason, just saw him, identified him as Dorian Johnson, and then decided to act. Which, of course, is not factual at all.

Correction noted, and I thank you for doing so. It's a rare trait on these forums for people to acknowledge and correct a statement.
 
Ferguson Announces Permanent Memorial to Honor Michael Brown



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Monketey Ghost said:
Officer Wilson deserves a plaque, ffs.
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In order to heal and move forward I think we need to see the humanity of both Wilson and Brown. Restorative justice relies on the belief that good and evil are within everyone and that forgiveness is one of the greatest hallmarks of humanity.

Brown behaved badly by stealing the cigars and getting into an altercation with Wilson. Brown paid for his error with his life. Are we also supposed to hate and despise him? Is Wilson without error? When he saw Brown and his companion in the street did he treat them with respect or contempt? Do we know for a fact that Wilson was in danger from Brown when he shot him?

I would suggest that if we are going to get beyond the rancour and enmity we are going to need to find the humanity in each of us.

"If we could read the secret history of our enemies, we would find in each person's life sorrow and suffering enough to disarm all hostility." --Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
 
RandFan said:
In order to heal and move forward I think we need to see the humanity of both Wilson and Brown. Restorative justice relies on the belief that good and evil are within everyone and that forgiveness is one of the greatest hallmarks of humanity.

Brown behaved badly by stealing the cigars and getting into an altercation with Wilson. Brown paid for his error with his life. Are we also supposed to hate and despise him? Is Wilson without error? When he saw Brown and his companion in the street did he treat them with respect or contempt? Do we know for a fact that Wilson was in danger from Brown when he shot him?

I would suggest that if we are going to get beyond the rancour and enmity we are going to need to find the humanity in each of us.

"If we could read the secret history of our enemies, we would find in each person's life sorrow and suffering enough to disarm all hostility." --Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
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With Brown's blood actually on Wilson's service revolver it's hard to imagine a scenario that fits other than that he was trying to take Wilson's gun.
I'm sufficiently convinced Brown was a bad actor. Very bad.

Other than that, I like that quote and have no argument with your sentiment. I think we all use that thinking when we examine tough social issues. Hard to disagree with your sentiment here.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
How long until a peaceful protestor steals the memorial for some quick cash?
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Bizarrely, I think the social disapproval would keep that plaque right where it is instead.
Guy tries to kill an officer with his own gun> gets shot>criminal who was with him lies his ass off about what happened>dead criminal becomes a community hero, gets a plaque.
Pretty ********** up.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
As a black friend of mine said recently "how did we go from Emmett Till to Michael Brown?"
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Those were the days. Now many people want society to think black lives matter. Even the lives of black people who make mistakes. The day of killing black people without repercussions is probably over, thanks in part to Till.
 
Monketey Ghost said:
Bizarrely, I think the social disapproval would keep that plaque right where it is instead.
Guy tries to kill an officer with his own gun> gets shot>criminal who was with him lies his ass off about what happened>dead criminal becomes a community hero, gets a plaque.
Pretty ********** up.
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Michael Brown wasn't killed while he tried to take the officers gun. We don't have video of the actual shooting. Oddly enough when we do have video it typically does not match the claims of the officers. The testimony of the witnesses is not video tape. We don't know what was in the mind of Wilson or Brown at the time of the shooting. We only know that forensic evidence shows that Brown was moving toward Wilson at the time Wilson fired. Did Brown intend to take on a guy who had a gun? Was Wilson trying to commit suicide by cop? Is it possible Brown was disoriented and Wilson was angry at Brown?

What bothers me about this case is the certainty that Brown deserved death and should be demonized or that Brown is solely culpable in his own death and Wilson can only be viewed as a hero.

I would suggest that is not the way to move forward. This case has been discussed to death. Perhaps it's time for everyone to let go of the hate and move on.

It's an idea.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
Well, he already had once, so it's not a stretch to think he would do it a second time.
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You think the scenarios are identical? The gun was not within his reach. Death was the only option. Not so when he was at the window of the cruiser.

People struggle with police all of the time. I'm not sure how many people charge armed officers.
 
RandFan said:
You think the scenarios are identical? The gun was not within his reach. Death was the only option. Not so when he was at the window of the cruiser.

People struggle with police all of the time. I'm not sure how many people charge armed officers.
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If we're still talking about MB, no cop is going to wait for such a huge man to complete his charge and take the gun away after knocking them flat and or choke-slamming them. Cops are trained to put aggressors down.
 
Monketey Ghost said:
If we're still talking about MB, no cop is going to wait for such a huge man to complete his charge and take the gun away after knocking them flat and or choke-slamming them. Cops are trained to put aggressors down.
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Do we really want to go through all of this again?

I don't know that Brown was "charging". In fact, I think it far more irrational than what happened at the cruiser. I only know that the forensic evidence supports the fact that Brown was moving toward the officer. Was he stumbling? Was he trying to surrender? The evidence is not sufficient to charge Wilson according to the GJ. is that proof that Brown was suicidal or that Brown honestly believed that the could close the gap and take Wilson's gun?

Here's my opinion. I don't know. I honestly don't. Some people are certain Wilson murdered Brown. Some are certain that Brown was charging.
 
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