George Zimmerman shot

sunmaster14 said:
1I think people here were rooting for Apperson because an incident like that is a zero-sum game, and they want to see Zimmerman punished or discredited, or something negative.

2That's nonsense. If Apperson had killed Zimmerman, he would now be facing a 2nd-degree murder charge at a minimum. Zimmerman's testimony is not needed to charge (and probably convict) Apperson. Apperson's own words and the physical evidence inculpate him.

3You probably should get clearance first before re-posting moderated material.
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1.) I've no doubt that many people enjoy shadenfreud for GZ. I would not shed a tear if he died but I don't wish him ill will.

2.) I don't buy this at all. Michael Dunn had a hung jury. Had there been a weapon in the car of his victim I honestly don't think he would have been convicted. If all of three occupants in the car had died I don't think he would have been convicted.

3.) A.) I contacted Forum Management to let them know. B.) I was told the post could be moved back without editing (see forum management) C.) I edited the post to make it less provocative and to remove anything that was perhaps OT.
 
sunmaster14 said:
Actually, in looking back at this article, I was struck by the comments of his neighbors:

Neighbors usually say "He was such a nice guy. I'm completely shocked that he would do something like this." It takes some pretty strange behavior for your neighbor to rat you out like this.
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Yes, obviously early media reports about what neighbors have claimed must treated as truthful and accurate:
At an emergency homeowner’s association meeting on March 1, “one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home,” the resident wrote in an email to HuffPost. “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch captain role.
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johnny karate said:
Zimmerman's violent and confrontational behavior is a matter of record from the LEO he committed battery upon long before anyone heard of Trayvon Martin to the altercation he has with his ex-wife in which he was filmed grabbing an iPad out of her hand and smashing it.

So to pretend these are all just stories and allegations is a bit disingenuous.

I have no idea if Zimmerman threatened Apperson as claimed or if he really is just an innocent victim, and neither does anyone else posting this thread.

But I do know that the fact that Aspersion has been arrested and charged provides absolutely zero factual basis for either scenario.
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Seems pretty unlikely he is not being highly confrontational and aggressive. That is his signature move after all. That and incompetence in a fight.
 
johnny karate said:
Yes, obviously early media reports about what neighbors have claimed must treated as truthful and accurate:

At an emergency homeowner’s association meeting on March 1, “one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home,” the resident wrote in an email to HuffPost. “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch captain role.
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This does not fit with the hero narrative of GZ therefore it is irrelevant.
 
johnny karate said:
Yes, obviously early media reports about what neighbors have claimed must treated as truthful and accurate:
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That's very weak tea. Also selective quoting on your part from an article referring to an emergency homeowner's association meeting in the aftermath of the shooting. There must have been dozens if not hundreds of people at that meeting, and no doubt some had an agenda given the political dynamics in play. Just a short bit later, we find this:

A member of the homeowner’s association board, who asked not to be quoted by name, said she “hadn’t heard about any complaints” about Zimmerman.
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In any case, your point is irrelevant. The alleged complaints were about Zimmerman's actions in his capacity as neighborhood watch captain. He was not acting in that capacity during any of his encounters with Apperson. Whether or not Zimmerman was overzealous in a role in which he thought (rightly or wrongly) that he was granted some policing authority tells us very little about how he acts as a private citizen.
 
johnny karate said:
You are making an assertion absent any supporting evidence, and in contradiction to the charges filed.
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I'm going by the facts which have been reported. To wit, a bullet hole centered around head height in the passenger window of GZ's car, and was close enough to his face to cause injuries from flying glass, and Apperson's statement to an officer afterwards that he hoped he "got him this time." Seems like the police are undercharging Apperson for now, but perhaps "intent" is very hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt in such a brief encounter like this.
 
sunmaster14 said:
That's very weak tea. Also selective quoting on your part from an article referring to an emergency homeowner's association meeting in the aftermath of the shooting. There must have been dozens if not hundreds of people at that meeting, and no doubt some had an agenda given the political dynamics in play. Just a short bit later, we find this:

In any case, your point is irrelevant. The alleged complaints were about Zimmerman's actions in his capacity as neighborhood watch captain. He was not acting in that capacity during any of his encounters with Apperson. Whether or not Zimmerman was overzealous in a role in which he thought (rightly or wrongly) that he was granted some policing authority tells us very little about how he acts as a private citizen.
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I'm sure you would be awfully excited to have GZ as an employee. I think most people, knowing what they do, would love to have GZ in their lives as much as possible. He is a hero who killed another man for god. Who doesn't like that?

In case I wasn't clear, GZ's actions tell me everything I need to know about this wandering shred of narcissism and god complex. You can have him.
 
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sunmaster14 said:
I inferred posters like you were "rooting for Apperson" because you were explicitly rooting against Zimmerman. I explained my reason for this.
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Your assumptions reveal your bias. That Zimmerman is a terrible example of humanity (he believes killing Martin was god's plan) is not a reason to forgo reason.

Apperson is OBVIOUSLY just as whacked GZ. Those who are critical of GZ are critical for precisely the reason we are critical of Apperson. He's an ass that thinks guns solve problems. Now he is facing incarceration and I can't begin to tell you how happy I'm for that.
 
RandFan said:
I'm sure you would be awfully excited to have GZ as an employee. I think most people, knowing what they do, would love to have GZ in their lives as much as possible. He is a hero who killed another man for god. Who doesn't like that?
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In any event, I stand by this post. GZ IS treated as a hero. He is defended by many for all of his nonsense regardless of what he is alleged to have done. The utter lack of any criticism toward him from his fans sickens me to no end. Domestic violence (he wasn't convicted so we cannot form an opinion. **** that nonsense).
 
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RandFan said:
Your assumptions reveal your bias. That Zimmerman is a terrible example of humanity (he believes killing Martin was god's plan) is not a reason to forgo
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Presumably, everyone who believes in an omnipotent, omniscient god (i.e. most religious folks) believe that whatever transpires must be part of God's plan.
 
Giz said:
Presumably, everyone who believes in an omnipotent, omniscient god (i.e. most religious folks) believe that whatever transpires must be part of God's plan.
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Yep, exactly. For someone in GZ's predicament who was already very religious, clinging tight to the "it was all god's plan!" idea is probably even more appealing as a way to shield his mind from all the incredibly strong and persistent criticism of him and his actions that was happening from essentially the whole planet.

Plus the trouble he'd caused his family and the fear of going to prison or being killed by someone. "It's all god's plan" is a warm blanket to wrap yourself in to alleviate guilt and reduce doubt.

Not necessarily a craziness indicator.
 
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