George Zimmerman shot

Apperson arrested and charged:

Lake Mary police said that Matthew Apperson, the man in a shooting that involved George Zimmerman, was arrested Friday.

Lake Mary police said Apperson was charged with one count of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, one count of aggravated battery with a deadly weapon and one count of firing a deadly missile into an occupied conveyance.

"After conducting numerous interviews throughout the week, detectives determined that Mr. Apperson did intentionally fire his weapon into the vehicle occupied by George Zimmerman without provocation," Lake Mary police said in a statement.
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katy_did said:
Apperson arrested and charged:
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Why can't anybody who covers this case spell the word "waved" correctly?

Apperson said she shot at Zimmerman's SUV out of a fear for his life after Zimmerman waived a gun at him.
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And for what it's worth, that guy Apperson looks a little deranged IMO. Take a look at 1:43-1:47 of the video. I would not want to cut that guy off in traffic.
 
katy_did said:
Apperson arrested and charged:
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"Without provocation". And yet I guarantee that this incident will be trotted out again and again as evidence that Zimmerman is a dangerous person who starts fights and provokes violence... Along with all the other allegations that have been made but not proven.

The whole Zimmerman narrative is rather circular: We know this story is true because it's like the other stories. We know the other stories are true because they're like this one. But really, all the stories are just *truthy*.
 
I thought that it had gone strangely quiet around here.

Don't worry Z haters, your hero, Apperson, won't be convicted as he is clearly psychotic.

Carry on the clown fest please.
 
theprestige said:
"Without provocation". And yet I guarantee that this incident will be trotted out again and again as evidence that Zimmerman is a dangerous person who starts fights and provokes violence... Along with all the other allegations that have been made but not proven.

The whole Zimmerman narrative is rather circular: We know this story is true because it's like the other stories. We know the other stories are true because they're like this one. But really, all the stories are just *truthy*.
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Can you provoke someone just by existing?


Seems so.
 
theprestige said:
"Without provocation". And yet I guarantee that this incident will be trotted out again and again as evidence that Zimmerman is a dangerous person who starts fights and provokes violence... Along with all the other allegations that have been made but not proven.

The whole Zimmerman narrative is rather circular: We know this story is true because it's like the other stories. We know the other stories are true because they're like this one. But really, all the stories are just *truthy*.
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Nah, I think the Zimmerman haters will let this one go. There's just too much cognitive dissonance involved in siding with Apperson over Zimmerman.
 
theprestige said:
"Without provocation". And yet I guarantee that this incident will be trotted out again and again as evidence that Zimmerman is a dangerous person who starts fights and provokes violence... Along with all the other allegations that have been made but not proven.

The whole Zimmerman narrative is rather circular: We know this story is true because it's like the other stories. We know the other stories are true because they're like this one. But really, all the stories are just *truthy*.
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Zimmerman's violent and confrontational behavior is a matter of record from the LEO he committed battery upon long before anyone heard of Trayvon Martin to the altercation he has with his ex-wife in which he was filmed grabbing an iPad out of her hand and smashing it.

So to pretend these are all just stories and allegations is a bit disingenuous.

I have no idea if Zimmerman threatened Apperson as claimed or if he really is just an innocent victim, and neither does anyone else posting this thread.

But I do know that the fact that Aspersion has been arrested and charged provides absolutely zero factual basis for either scenario.
 
sunmaster14 said:
Nah, I think the Zimmerman haters will let this one go. There's just too much cognitive dissonance involved in siding with Apperson over Zimmerman.
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Cognitive dissonance requires one to hold two contradictory ideas or beliefs.

What idea or belief about this incident - about which we know almost nothing - could anyone have at this point that contradicts a previously held idea or belief?
 
johnny karate said:
Cognitive dissonance requires one to hold two contradictory ideas or beliefs.

What idea or belief about this incident - about which we know almost nothing - could anyone have at this point that contradicts a previously held idea or belief?
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Zimmerman has a history of aggressive behavior that gets him into trouble with the law, therefore he is likely to be the aggressor in this incident. Problem is, Apperson has a history of aggressive behavior that gets him into trouble with the law.

Zimmerman was the first to use deadly force in a prior incident, therefore he is an unstable maniac who normal people would reasonably fear. Problem is, Apperson was the first to use deadly force in this incident, and the police believe it was unprovoked.

Zimmerman got away with murder by cleverly exploiting loopholes in Florida's unjust doctrine of self-defense. Problem is, Apperson might try to get away with attempted murder by cleverly exploiting loopholes in Florida's unjust doctrine of self-defense.

Zimmerman likely was morally guilty of murder (if not legally guilty) because he was charged and prosecuted with murder. Problem is, Apperson has been charged and will likely be prosecuted with attempted murder, so he is likely morally guilty, even if he is acquitted.

Zimmerman might be a racist because he is a White Hispanic who "stalked" a black person who was doing nothing wrong. Problem is, Apperson might be a racist because he is a white person who "stalked" a Hispanic person who was doing nothing wrong.

So there would be a lot of cognitive dissonance involved in continuing to believe that Zimmerman was in the wrong, and Apperson was justified, given the developments so far. And for the record, we now know quite a bit about this case, not almost nothing.
 
sunmaster14 said:
So there would be a lot of cognitive dissonance involved in continuing to believe that Zimmerman was in the wrong, and Apperson was justified, given the developments so far.
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He did something that people don't agree with...............he is wrong in everything he does.....
 
applecorped said:
I sure did, thanks for not complying in any meaningful way....at all.
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I assume instead of comply you meant reply, since comply in that context makes absolutely no sense.

So, allow me to reply.

Since you seem to believe think Apperson was provoked by the mere existence of Zimmerman it seems you are privy to knowledge of the details of this incident which the rest of us are not.

Would you like to share this knowledge?

And please provide cites for your sources.
 
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sunmaster14 said:
Zimmerman has a history of aggressive behavior that gets him into trouble with the law, therefore he is likely to be the aggressor in this incident. Problem is, Apperson has a history of aggressive behavior that gets him into trouble with the law.
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As far as I know, Apperson's legal troubles are confined to traffic and drug charges. To what specific legal troubles are you referring that indicate Apperson exhibits aggressive behavior?

Zimmerman was the first to use deadly force in a prior incident, therefore he is an unstable maniac who normal people would reasonably fear. Problem is, Apperson was the first to use deadly force in this incident, and the police believe it was unprovoked.

Zimmerman got away with murder by cleverly exploiting loopholes in Florida's unjust doctrine of self-defense. Problem is, Apperson might try to get away with attempted murder by cleverly exploiting loopholes in Florida's unjust doctrine of self-defense.

Zimmerman likely was morally guilty of murder (if not legally guilty) because he was charged and prosecuted with murder. Problem is, Apperson has been charged and will likely be prosecuted with attempted murder, so he is likely morally guilty, even if he is acquitted.
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For your convenience, I've bolded the various straw man arguments you've used.

Zimmerman might be a racist because he is a White Hispanic who "stalked" a black person who was doing nothing wrong. Problem is, Apperson might be a racist because he is a white person who "stalked" a Hispanic person who was doing nothing wrong.
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Yeah... okay. :rolleyes:

So there would be a lot of cognitive dissonance involved in continuing to believe that Zimmerman was in the wrong, and Apperson was justified, given the developments so far. And for the record, we now know quite a bit about this case, not almost nothing.
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We know Apperson shot at Zimmerman.

We know Apperson claims it was in self-defense.

We know Zimmerman denies that.

What else do we know that you think makes it reasonable to draw conclusions at this juncture?
 
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johnny karate said:
I assume instead of comply you meant reply, since comply in that context makes absolutely no sense.

So, allow me to reply.

Since you seem to believe think Apperson was provoked by the mere existence of Zimmerman it seems you are privy to knowledge of the details of this incident which the rest of us are not.

Would you like to share this knowledge?

And please provide cites for your sources.
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Are you privy to knowledge yet released? Innocent until proven guilty, right?
 
applecorped said:
Are you privy to knowledge yet released? Innocent until proven guilty, right?
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Yes, that's correct. Apperson is innocent until proven guilty.

So why do you assume Apperson was provoked merely by Zimmerman's existence?
 
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