New Disclosures on Benghazi

[The Big Dog]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/01/us/politics/hillary-clinton-email-benghazi-inquiry.html?_r=0

The benghazi select committee has requested what amounts to a deposition of Hillary Clinton in advance of her public testimony.

Here is an interesting update, in which Trey Gowdy opines that the select committee does not have the authority to subpoena Hillary's cowboy server, but rather that must be done by the entire House (a point that avid readers will recall that knowledgeable posters have made previously in this thread)

Of course, Hillary could voluntarily turn it over, but we all know that there is no way that is going to happen.

He is still pressing her for an interview as well....

Solid update, interesting read

 

[The Big Dog]

Select Committee Releases Interim Progress Update

“I am proud of what a professional team of investigators, committed to uncovering all the facts has been able to accomplish since the committee was created,” said Gowdy, R-.S.C. “This Committee has interviewed eyewitnesses never before interviewed, obtained tens-of-thousands of pages of documents never before provided, and reviewed new information central to the investigation such as FBI reports specific to the interrogation and prosecution of Abu Khattala. But while progress has been made, the greatest impediment to completing this investigation in a timely manner has been the level of cooperation by the executive branch. We look forward to completing our work in manner that is worthy of the sacrifice made by the four men who died and trust of our fellow Americans.”

http://benghazi.house.gov/news/press-releases/select-committee-releases-interim-progress-update

Note all the documents and other evidence that was never seen before. This exactly why the Select Committee was created, due to stonewalling from the Administration and others, including Hillary Clinton.

 

[RandFan]

Hope Springs Eternal

7th May 2013, 08:11 AM

CBS Face the Nation had an interesting segment this Sunday, in anticipation of the new hearings this week when several State Department employees who were on the ground in Libya will finally testify. This is very interesting because the State Department had pointedly distanced itself from the story that the attack spontaneously arose from an anti-video protest, stating that it was “not our conclusion” that the Benghazi attack started as a spontaneous protest to the anti-Muslim video."

Greg Hicks, the second in charge in Libya indicated that "the reason it took us so long to get the FBI to Benghazi is because of those Sunday talk shows" during which Ambassador Rice contradicted the Libyan President's assertion that the attack did not arise out of a protest. Hicks said Magariaf lost face "in front of not only his own people, but the world" at a time of democratic transition in his country. He added, "I have heard from a friend who had dinner with President Magariaf in New York City that he was still angry at Amb. Rice well after the incident."

We should learn a lot tomorrow about what the witnesses knew, and why their evidence was not included in the Administration's talking points to the American People.

2 years, TWO YEARS Seven investigations, 13 hearings, 50 briefings, and 25,000 pages of documents have been released.

Don't worry though, given enough hearings and enough investigations...

On second thought, **** that, does anyone still honestly believe there is something to this?

 

[The Big Dog]

“I am proud of what a professional team of investigators, committed to uncovering all the facts has been able to accomplish since the committee was created,” said Gowdy, R-.S.C. “This Committee has interviewed eyewitnesses never before interviewed, obtained tens-of-thousands of pages of documents never before provided, and reviewed new information central to the investigation such as FBI reports specific to the interrogation and prosecution of Abu Khattala. But while progress has been made, the greatest impediment to completing this investigation in a timely manner has been the level of cooperation by the executive branch. We look forward to completing our work in manner that is worthy of the sacrifice made by the four men who died and trust of our fellow Americans.”

http://benghazi.house.gov/news/press-releases/select-committee-releases-interim-progress-update

Note all the documents and other evidence that was never seen before. This exactly why the Select Committee was created, due to stonewalling from the Administration and others, including Hillary Clinton.

2 years, TWO YEARS Seven investigations, 13 hearings, 50 briefings, and 25,000 pages of documents have been released.

Don't worry though, givens enough hearings and enough investigations...

On second thought, **** that, does anyone still honestly believe there is something to this?

Yes, of course, or else Hillary and the Obama Administration would not have gone to the length they have to stonewall the investigation.

 

[thaiboxerken]

2 years, TWO YEARS Seven investigations, 13 hearings, 50 briefings, and 25,000 pages of documents have been released.

Don't worry though, given enough hearings and enough investigations...

On second thought, **** that, does anyone still honestly believe there is something to this?

Only the fools do. The rest that are pushing for more investigation are just trying to use the investigations as political ammunition against Hillary.

 

[RandFan]

Yes, of course, or else Hillary and the Obama Administration would not have gone to the length they have to stonewall the investigation.

Do you think many people will buy that?

 

[The Big Dog]

Mike Morell writes a book.

Mike Morell, the former CIA official who neutered the Benghazi talking points and ignored his own Department's assessment that the attack was "not/NOT an escalation of protests” in doing so has written a book.

Morell concludes that the White House was "blaming the Benghazi attack on the video -- which is not something CIA did in its talking points or in its classified analysis." Stating his belief that a bright red line should exist between those White House officials responsible for national security and those in charge of politics, and "the line about how Benghazi was not a failure rooted in broader policy seemed to me to be a political statement not a national security one." Morell also tweaks Rice for saying on a Sunday show that there had been a "substantial security presence" in Benghazi, which wasn't in either the White House or CIA talking points.

“I thought the most telling statement is what he says about Benghazi — that it was the most politicized national security issue he’s ever seen,”

Interesting, but I won't kid you that I think Mike's number one priority is and always was Mike.

 

[jhunter1163]

Yes, of course, or else Hillary and the Obama Administration would not have gone to the length they have to stonewall the investigation.

There have been eight investigations. How can you, with a straight face, say the administration is stonewalling?

 

[The Big Dog]

There have been eight investigations. How can you, with a straight face, say the administration is stonewalling?

The fact that there have been investigations does not mean in any way shape or form that Hillary and Obama have cooperated with those investigations.

In fact, we know the opposite: the Select Committee was established when it was revealed through a court order that the Administration had with held key documents that they had earlier represented that had been produced.

The straw that broke the camels back

The Rhodes Memo Debacle

The Hillary Cowboy Server fiasco has been thoroughly documented elsewhere.

Any one complaining about the investigation should look squarely at The Administration. (Further, anyone complaining that government misfeasance and malfeasance is being actively investigated is flat out wrong).

 

[RandFan]

Any one complaining about the investigation should look squarely at The Administration.

BS. Pure and utter.

Senate Intelligence Committee report on Benghazi attack

(Further, anyone complaining that government misfeasance and malfeasance is being actively investigated is flat out wrong).

No one is questioning the propriety of an investigation. We are questioning the propriety of 8 investigations.

Hang on, let's me repeat that EIGHT INVESTIGATIONS.

Prediction: Next year we will be in the same place we are now. Nothing to see here.

 

[The Big Dog]

BS. Pure and utter.

Senate Intelligence Committee report on Benghazi attack

No one is questioning the propriety of an investigation. We are questioning the propriety of 8 investigations.

Hang on, let's me repeat that EIGHT INVESTIGATIONS.

Prediction: Next year we will be in the same place we are now. Nothing to see here.

You cite the Senate report on intelligence that was issued in January of 2014, and therefore was issued before the Rhodes debacle and Clinton emails scandals came to light and before the Select committee was appointed (and which you ignored in calling my response "bs")

there is ONE investigation ongoing on Benghazi, the Select Committee's investigation.

 

[RandFan]

You cite the Senate report on intelligence that was issued in January of 2014, and therefore was issued before the Rhodes debacle and Clinton emails scandals came to light and before the Select committee was appointed (and which you ignored in calling my response "bs")

there is ONE investigation ongoing on Benghazi, the Select Committee's investigation.

{sigh} None of this is indicitive that any crime has been committed. There are no unanswered facts that could possible change our view of what happened. We know what happened. We know who did what and when. We know that there was not enough time to send help.

Yes, it is BS.

 

[sunmaster14]

{sigh} None of this is indicitive that any crime has been committed. There are no unanswered facts that could possible change our view of what happened. We know what happened. We know who did what and when. We know that there was not enough time to send help.

We do? Please report what Obama did between 5:30pm EDT on September 11, 2012, after he was first briefed on the attack by Leon Panetta in a previously scheduled meeting, and 11:30PM EDT that same night when the evacuation from Benghazi was complete. If you do that, then you'll have provided more information than the White House has so far. By the way, it took about 20 months for the public to find out that Obama never stepped foot in the Situation Room that night.

 

[jhunter1163]

We do? Please report what Obama did between 5:30pm EDT on September 11, 2012, after he was first briefed on the attack by Leon Panetta in a previously scheduled meeting, and 11:30PM EDT that same night when the evacuation from Benghazi was complete. If you do that, then you'll have provided more information than the White House has so far. By the way, it took about 20 months for the public to find out that Obama never stepped foot in the Situation Room that night.

I would be much more interested in what the commanders on the scene did. Do you think they were sitting there by the phone waiting for Obama's call, or do you think they were taking whatever actions were necessary at the time?

 

[The Big Dog]

I would be much more interested in what the commanders on the scene did. Do you think they were sitting there by the phone waiting for Obama's call, or do you think they were taking whatever actions were necessary at the time?

there is a well developed record on what the local commanders did, what is missing is a record of what Executive level people did before during and after the attacks.

The evidence shows that there was a failure of policy and a policy to sweep those failures under the rug afterwards with a farcical cover story about a spontaneous demonstration leading to an attack.

 

[sunmaster14]

I would be much more interested in what the commanders on the scene did. Do you think they were sitting there by the phone waiting for Obama's call, or do you think they were taking whatever actions were necessary at the time?

You would think that the President would be very hands on and eager to get updates when one of his ambassadors was missing after an attack on his facility. If he wasn't because he cared more about debate prep or fundraising speech prep or political strategizing then I would want to know that. The lack of information is suspicious I think.

 

[RandFan]

We do?

Yes. Of course. There are multiple reports that make this abundantly clear.

Accountability Review Board: The interagency response was timely and appropriate, but there simply was not enough time given the speed of the attacks for armed U.S. military assets to have made a difference. Senior-level interagency discussions were underway soon after Washington received initial word of the attacks and continued through the night. The Board found no evidence of any undue delays in decision making or denial of support from Washington or from the military combatant commanders. Quite the contrary: the safe evacuation of all U.S. government personnel from Benghazi twelve hours after the initial attack and subsequently to Ramstein Air Force Base was the result of exceptional U.S. government coordination and military response and helped save the lives of two severely wounded Americans.

That's factcheck.org

Please report what Obama did between 5:30pm EDT on September 11, 2012, after he was first briefed on the attack by Leon Panetta in a previously scheduled meeting, and 11:30PM EDT that same night when the evacuation from Benghazi was complete. If you do that, then you'll have provided more information than the White House has so far. By the way, it took about 20 months for the public to find out that Obama never stepped foot in the Situation Room that night.

Obama? What? Have you read any of the reports? What does Obama have to do with anything?

• Obama's permission was not needed to act (see above).
• There was no stand down order (see source).
• Preparation to act began immediately upon finding out about the attack (see source).
• The only controversy was how to act and how soon.

Obama never stepped foot in the Situation Room that night.

Is this important to you? Why? Prior to Benghazi there were 13 attacks that left 60 people dead Where was Bush after the briefing for each attack? How many hearings have been held? Do you care? Does it matter to anyone? Or is your motivation political?

 

[C_Felix]

There have been eight investigations. How can you, with a straight face, say the administration is stonewalling?

Only the fools do. The rest that are pushing for more investigation are just trying to use the investigations as political ammunition against Hillary.

I'd like to add, "They haven't received the answer(s) they want yet."

 

[The Big Dog]

Y

That's factcheck.org

Where was Bush after the briefing for each attack? How many hearings have been held? Do you care? Does it matter to anyone? Or is your motivation political?

The accountability review board report has been completely discredited. They also did not have access to Hillary's emails nor the Rhodes memo.

I am not sure why you have not addressed my several points on the withheld evidence. Did you read my links.

Your Bush comment is a pure tu quoque fallacy, and a complete derail. But lets run with that, are you saying that there should have been investigations on the attacks during the Bush administration? What about the several other attacks during the Obama administration? You do know that there were several other attacks under Obama right?

 

[jhunter1163]

The accountability review board report has been completely discredited. They also did not have access to Hillary's emails nor the Rhodes memo.

Ah, yes, the GOP's McGuffin again. Surely there must be something incriminating in those e-mails...