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Cassidy said:
It's a challenge I'm willing to take from start to finish, and see how it plays out (Under strict observing conditions) I've done enough practice and it's been costly. I've presented the JREF with some media coverage, and had the GP involved with a mini diamond test, in order for him to feel confident enough to write a letter to support my taking this challenge.
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Great. Now all you need is an objective test protocol whose results are self evident. That means no alternative explanation of the result other than that your claim is true, no-one's personal judgement of what that result is required.

The voices that emit my PC, can hold short conversation when working with vibration. I understand this can be considered pareidolia, despite the sense these "short conversations" reveal. Which I understand can be considered a delusion, despite these words correlating to their actions. I actually find it more strange that folk expect me to believe it's just "noise"
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You consider a well known, well understood and easily demonstrated phenomenon, a natural result of evolved cognitive biases, stranger than "spirits" which have never been demonstrated to exist communicating with you in a ridiculous fashion to no apparent purpose? Seriously?

Altering the insides of a diamond, by a big increase of black carbon, and possible fractures (by wear) is more straight forward and cannot be considered anything but paranormal (Or a delusion)
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It could also be considered normal wear and tear, or deliberately induced damage, or a belated noticing of something that was there all along. Those are the alternative explanations your test protocol needs to eliminate.
 
abaddon said:
The diamond claim is not new, though at the time it was incidental to the EVP claim, just another nugget to drip feed the thread.
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It was introduced by "scrappy" when flaccon was unable to post for some reason:
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The spirits stepped up another gear last week, wrecked her diamond rings. Yet another claim made by the spirits, but this one cant be explained away as paredolia.
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Cassidy said:
I've presented the JREF with some media coverage...
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What did you present them with? The only coverage you have posted here, as far as I can see, is a very brief article of only three sentences, merely saying that you have applied for the challenge.
 
Mojo said:
What did you present them with? The only coverage you have posted here, as far as I can see, is a very brief article of only three sentences, merely saying that you have applied for the challenge.
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It is quite possible that she sent the JREF 'something', but most likely something which provides no reason to engage with it or provides specific reason to not engage with it.

She'll probably be functionally ignored.
 
Daylightstar said:
It is quite possible that she sent the JREF 'something', but most likely something which provides no reason to engage with it or provides specific reason to not engage with it.

She'll probably be functionally ignored.
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Given the current uncertainty over the leadership and function of JREF I suspect you're right. She'd need a good, simple test protocol to even get off the starting blocks, and she clearly hasn't got one. I'd suggest one, but I haven't been able to come up with one that works within her required constraints, eliminates all the possible alternative explanations, and doesn't require someone to make a judgement call.
 
I'm not replying to half of the nonsense, there is just no need for it. It doesn't matter what I say, it's dived all over with speculation from books. We've far moved on.

I didn't come to fire folk up, I just want to take a legal challenge, and I'm suspicious at the long-awaited reply. It should be fun, but turns out more disturbing than the sickness one has me down for. It borders "insanity" to be fair. It's just a legal challenge. The results of the mini diamond test was fantastic. All this is doing is preventing charity from a million dollars, and keeping psychic charlatans in business forever.

If I cannot get the chance to prove my claim, I will be very suspicious. No amount of speculation should alter my chances.

For any new members in this thread, I can produce an example of what emits my (et 'al)speakers. This is what we are supposed to believe is "nothing" despite voice recognition from 6 folk who knew him well. Those that hear it identify it's a "voice" apart from the folk here, who claim "noise"

I think those who are certain that I cannot prove my claim, ought to put their money where their mouth is. A man lost £200 worth of diamonds. I'd rather take side bets than argue these days. I documented the diamond mini test with the GP monitoring the results. I'm confident no one will win a penny from me.

I already stated that my suggested protocol, is just that "suggested" If I post anything up, I'd prefer it to be a protocol that has been agreed upon by the JREF (For no other reason than to prevent folk here peeing all over it for the fun of it.. strange)
 
Pixel42 said:
Given the current uncertainty over the leadership and function of JREF I suspect you're right. She'd need a good, simple test protocol to even get off the starting blocks, and she clearly hasn't got one. I'd suggest one, but I haven't been able to come up with one that works within her required constraints, eliminates all the possible alternative explanations, and doesn't require someone to make a judgement call.
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I don't really see the difficulty in proving the transference of spirit activity into a PC, and then have them alter a diamond.

If the equipment is inspected beforehand, and is then inspected after the test, and if the results are that all the equipment ends up a pile of noisy worthless junk (simply by touching) it's a pass surely?
 
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Daylightstar said:
It is quite possible that she sent the JREF 'something', but most likely something which provides no reason to engage with it or provides specific reason to not engage with it.

She'll probably be functionally ignored.
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I sent an application form via land mail, claiming and outlining my ability. Coupled with a copy of media coverage and a letter from a GP.

I was contacted by email to confirm that my application was complete. The email spelled out that I was responsible for all costs and did I have a protocol in mind.

I forwarded a "suggested" protocol, very straight-forward. Equipment required, how it needs to be delivered, and how I can demonstrate paranormal activity. If the JREF see fit to alter those suggestions I've yet to know about it.
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The exact equipment is:

1 PERSONAL PC (Standard Samsung)
1 AFFECTED PC (Affected = signal has transferred successfully)
1 NEW PC (Possibly 2)
(To be delivered direct to a JREF representative here in the UK)

1 SET OF PC SPEAKERS.
1 DRUM.
1 ELASTIC BAND.
1 PRINCESS-CUT DIAMOND TRILOGY RING (APPROX 0.40/0.50ct)
(To be delivered direct to a JREF representative here in the UK)

1 JEWELLERS LOUP
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Cassidy said:
I don't really see the difficulty in proving the transference of spirit activity into a PC, and then have them alter a diamond.

If the equipment is inspected beforehand, and is then inspected after the test, and if the results are that all the equipment ends up a pile of noisy worthless junk (simply by touching) it's a pass surely?
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So, if I am reading your post and claim correctly, the spirit enters one or all of your three PC's, turns a Diamond into something else, and then the equipment (the PC's) become a pile of worthless junk? Why is changing a diamond relevant to this claim? What happens to the drum and the rubber band?

And if you have ever read the older JREF MDC threads, you might have discovered that members were more than willing to help members develop a protocol to assist them in applying for the challenge.

Norm
 
Mojo said:
I don't see the difficulty in posting your suggested protocol.
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It was short and clear. It's not difficult to post it no. I just don't care for the complicated replies. It's a simple procedure. I take the equipment and use it in the usual manner. I'll communicate with "noise" coming from nowhere, transfer the noise into the other PC's, whilst checking the diamond. It's not difficult to demonstrate this given the chance.
 
Cassidy said:
I was contacted by email to confirm that my application was complete. The email spelled out that I was responsible for all costs and did I have a protocol in mind.

I forwarded a "suggested" protocol, very straight-forward. Equipment required, how it needs to be delivered, and how I can demonstrate paranormal activity. If the JREF see fit to alter those suggestions I've yet to know about it.
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This is the bit we're interested in.
 
Cassidy said:
It was short and clear. It's not difficult to post it no. I just don't care for the complicated replies. It's a simple procedure. I take the equipment and use it in the usual manner. I'll communicate with "noise" coming from nowhere, transfer the noise into the other PC's, whilst checking the diamond. It's not difficult to demonstrate this given the chance.
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If this is what you sent the JREF, they are probably still waiting for your suggested protocol.
 
fromdownunder said:
So, if I am reading your post and claim correctly, the spirit enters one or all of your three PC's, turns a Diamond into something else, and then the equipment (the PC's) become a pile of worthless junk? Why is changing a diamond relevant to this claim? What happens to the drum and the rubber band?

And if you have ever read the older JREF MDC threads, you might have discovered that members were more than willing to help members develop a protocol to assist them in applying for the challenge.

Norm
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I hear you and I've outlined my ability. I haven't found much help at all from here. I only have to say hello and I'm met with ridicule, amateur medical diagnosis's and blind speculation. After that it's difficult to hold much conversation. I really only wish to know how long it takes for the JREF to reply to emails. I've waited over 3 months for a reply and I'm becoming slightly suspicious by it.

Lost half the reply there sorry: The voice that emits and transfers, is considered pareidolia. So if he breaks a diamond, it can't be considered anything but paranormal.

The drum is used for vibration, and so is the elastic band.
 
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If you post up your suggested protocol, I predict that people will become very helpful and will be keen to work out a good protocol with you.

[as mod] This thread has got very long, so it needs to be split and a continuation thread started. This will involve both the old and new threads being closed for posting for a few minutes, so don't panic and be patient![/as mod]
 
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