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To love your neighbour like yourself, meaning

Slowvehicle said:
Good to have a stout chain for such a man-killer...
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What he needs is an invisibility cloak because his cuteness is the real killer... we never go anywhere without him attracting a crowd of people going ..... aooooh!
 
Leumas said:
Me, never, I love cats. But my current-wife's PRETEND German Shepherd might.

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My spousal unit has a small dog. I enjoy overusing the back handed compliment "Hey! That was just like a REAL dog!"
 
Leumas said:
Ok, I apologize for being overly curt... I have been in a bad mood recently after having realized how many Pretend International Skeptics we have on this Symposium due to recent discussions in this thread and this thread.

So, no worries, my bad!




Yes, for sure! Keep up the good reasoning!




Slowvehicle definitely.... me ... not so much... I am just good at reading things the way they are written without injecting my own wishful thinking for what I wished the words should have been so that in my mind I can justify interpreting them so as to enforce my delusions of what reality ought to be, like many Pretend International Skeptics on this Symposium love to do as you can see in this post.




Me, never, I love cats. But my current-wife's PRETEND German Shepherd might.

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While I am not a pretend skeptic I do like to take a PISS outta people from time to time.

I find it, again, curious that you read litterally when time and again misinterpretation and symbolism/allegory/parables is what writers have used for a very long time to preserve their work. Satire has been equally used, or to agree with something but to the point that it is obvious you are taking a PISS.

Example: Metatron is the ancient Judean angel meaning "youth" or "servant" which I feel the latter has turned into "slave". Oral tradition predates written tradition, therefore we can assume that a nasty game of telephone has occurred long before anything was really written down.

I am not advocating slaves, mind you, just expressing my feelings on misinterpretation
 
Slowvehicle said:
You seem to be struggling with the concept of "on topic".

Have you, in fact, engaged any of the OP's other threads?

I'll let the fact that you are missing the capital-"g"-'god'-spell off with a notice, this time.

Consider actually reading this thread...
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Believers forever flock together.
 
megaresp said:
This rule doesn't apply to people living in London, does it?

I don't even know my neighbours, and that's the way they like it. If I tried to [I]love[/I] them, I suspect they'd have me deported. And I don't want to go back to the Antipodes.
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Not everyone is into whips and chains.
 
Tassman said:
It's not even original. The Golden Rule, so called, appears in one form or another in virtually every major civilisation and long pre-dates Jesus. Such a plagiarist! :eye-poppi
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Well societies that advocate killing on sight don't last long.
 
I don't love myself at all. I think I am realistic, to a point, about myself. I have serious weaknesses, not least laziness, a tendency to be over anxious - and lots of other junk.

I am happy to be realistic about my neighbours too, because one of my strengths is that I pretty much always give people a chance and the benefit of the doubt and I think, despite rather a lot of evidence to the contrary, that most people mean well.
 
MG1962 said:
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is it your claim that the only religion to have this tenant as part of their teachings is the Christian/Jewish religion?
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Do you get much rent?
 
Congratulations to the OP, you have discovered the Golden Rule, which has been philosophised by many different cultures over human history:

+1 Knowledge.
+1 Empathy.
 
Craig B said:
Oooh, joy! I got it right, and Hans says so!
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Well, I am running for high priest -- or at least regular priest, if I don't find a new dealer -- of Athe, so obviously I can't be wrong ;)

But now seriously, while Manicheanism is indeed a good illustration of such dualism, there were a TON of dualist gnostic sects in Christianity too, which probably reflect his position a lot better. The Marcionism that Tassman mentioned is probably closer to the mark, although Gaetan seems to be a bit more extreme than Marcion was ever supposed to be. I mean, Marcion was after all a disciple of Paul, and Paul never went to such extremes as to flat out consider Judaism a work of Satan.

But yeah, you can find all sorts of extremes of dualism in gnostic Xianity. E.g., going all the way to, for example, the Cainites, which would read like a joke sect by some modern Vampire The Masquerade players reciting from the Book Of Nod, if it weren't actually an ancient sect and described by Irenaeus.
 
Manopolus said:
It is not enough to love thy neighbor -- you must also love your enemy (see: Sermon on the Mount). So... basically that would mean not sending your enemy to hell for eternity for not falling for the whole shebang, wouldn't it? Apparently, God isn't internally consistent. Either that or He's highly immoral.

It appears to me to be like someone that moralizes a lot, but doesn't follow his own preaching. Christians are actually pretty good at emulating that, so I don't get the inferiority complex... if that is the way of their God, then they are quite Godly in their own inconsistencies.
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Just replying on a specific point before replying more generally, at least in Catholicism one must accept the existence of hell, but one is not required to believe that anyone is in hell (one may, but need not, at least according to some theologians). And some non-Catholics (and at one time in early church history, some catholics) held to the notion of apocatastasis, that damnation was not necessarily eternal, treating hell as more akin to the Catholic notion of purgatory. But look up Wikipedia problem of hell for more discussion...

More generally, love is not the same as liking. Loving your enemy doesn't necessarily mean you invite the person who tried to rape and kill you into your home and take no precautions. Love may include tough love, you want the person to have the best chance of not just a good life, but a good afterlife. Sometimes criminal conviction and punishment may, in your honest view, give the best chance for the person to become better. Ministering to people before their execution. Etc.

And also, to expect to be as loving and forgiving as Jesus would be arrogant, to say the least. It's an aspriation, a goal, an expectation, but also an area as in so many others where Christians fall short. That failing doesn't make the goal invalid (from a Christian point of view).
 
Slowvehicle said:
...you appear to be missing the fact that, in xian dogma, the "Jesus 'god' " is, in fact, tyhe OT 'god', and vice versa.

BTW, the OT 'god' is NOT, even in the canon, the "antechrist[sic]". I wonder if you would be so kind as to provide your reason for making this...odd...claim.
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Actually the antechrist is the one that hides behind and buggers his nominal followers!!!
 
HansMustermann said:
Well, I am running for high priest -- or at least regular priest, if I don't find a new dealer -- of Athe, so obviously I can't be wrong ;)

But now seriously, while Manicheanism is indeed a good illustration of such dualism, there were a TON of dualist gnostic sects in Christianity too, which probably reflect his position a lot better. The Marcionism that Tassman mentioned is probably closer to the mark, although Gaetan seems to be a bit more extreme than Marcion was ever supposed to be. I mean, Marcion was after all a disciple of Paul, and Paul never went to such extremes as to flat out consider Judaism a work of Satan.

But yeah, you can find all sorts of extremes of dualism in gnostic Xianity. E.g., going all the way to, for example, the Cainites, which would read like a joke sect by some modern Vampire The Masquerade players reciting from the Book Of Nod, if it weren't actually an ancient sect and described by Irenaeus.
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Paul never went to extremes to consider Judaism a work of Satan but as Saul he persecuted and killed Christians right? Pretty extreme to me
 
Well, I never said that Paul was a swell guy. You may have noticed in some of my other threads that I do not particularly hold a high opinion of him, to say the least. But here I'm saying just that, on the narrower subject of the OT God vs Jesus, while a case could be made that Paul's position was quite plausibly non-trinitarian and maybe gnostic, he doesn't go as far as to make the OT God be outright the evil guy.
 
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