Continuation Part 14: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Samzilla]

I'll bite:

Vixen, can you please cite the reasons why you believe Amanada Knox, and Raffaele Sollecito if you don't think he was just her unwitting dupe, are sociopaths?

 

[Bill Williams]

I'll bite:

Vixen, can you please cite the reasons why you believe Amanada Knox, and Raffaele Sollecito if you don't think he was just her unwitting dupe, are sociopaths?

You have to take a number. About 6 - 8 people are ahead of you in the queue. Vixen isn't answering questions here. His purpose is to spread confusion and factoids.

 

[Methos]

So in other words, you're just making it up.

Page 129:

http://amandaknoxcase.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Amanda-Knox-Prison-Diary.pdf

 

[Grinder]

Did their phones have GPS in 2007?

Their phones could be located by triangulation and if left on they would show being at Raf's. Raf could have called or texted dad and told him they were going to watch a movie or two and he was turning off the phone not to be disturbed (wink, wink) and then started the movie.

There would be no reason to carry the phones turned off. They could have used the land line to call their own phone(s) and then lamented had they only had them on they might have been able to save her.

Of course, the oft mentioned trip to Gubbio could have been taken and they would wait for the call or text message. The PGP like to say that Amanda wanted to "control" the investigation, which makes no sense and even less so since her language skills were not that strong.

 

[Sergei Walankov]

Good work, Methos. "Used to use extensive drugs". An element of truth, then.

 

[Bill Williams]

Page 129: [qimg]http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/images/smilies/clue.gif[/qimg]
http://amandaknoxcase.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Amanda-Knox-Prison-Diary.pdf

So.... where does it say what Vixen claims?

 

[Sergei Walankov]

From Honour Bound:

When I was seventeen or eighteen, I did experiment briefly with ecstasy , poppers, and, on one occasion, cocaine. But I was way too timid to push my luck with any of them, and I stopped almost as soon as I started. I knew they were dangerous and, as with alcohol, I had an instinctive aversion to feeling out of control. I did, however , develop an occasional pot-smoking habit, as did many of my friends.

 

[Bill Williams]

From Honour Bound:

So in other words, Vixen was just making it up. Thanks for the cite.

 

[Grinder]

So.... where does it say what Vixen claims?

He told you p.129 "He used to use extensive drugs" by which she probably meant "he used to extensively use drugs" which is reasonably what the a spiteful or quarrelsome woman said.

 

[Sonia]

From Nina Burleigh's book:

[Raffaele] actually had a drug record: he’d been picked up in Giovinazzo holding two grams of hash but released without charge. He eventually told Amanda—according to one of her scribbled notes to self at the police station after they had been arrested—that he had suffered from depression, had felt guilty about his mother’s death, had once dyed his hair yellow, and had tried acid and cocaine.

I meant to add, sounds like run-of-the-mill experimenting with recreational drugs to me.

 

[Sonia]

Not surprisingly, there is no one in Amanda's handwritten list of all her sex partners whose name begins with "F."

 

[Methos]

Good work, Methos. "Used to use extensive drugs". An element of truth, then.

I only wonder why "Used to use extensive drugs" is "implying intravenous use"?

 

[Sergei Walankov]

You might argue that IV use is the only sort that's relevant given the context is the HIV diagnosis she believes herself to have received. Of course, a more fair-minded interpretation would be that Amanda is casting around for every possible scenario of transmission, and that she's aware of Raffaele's past form with heavier-duty drugs than marijuana, without being specifically aware if any of it was intravenous or not.

 

[Kaosium]

Not surprisingly, there is no one in Amanda's handwritten list of all her sex partners whose name begins with "F."

That's because she just made out with Fredrico, they never had sex. He was the guy she met coming into Perugia on the train. When she was arrested the police went through her phone contacts and followed up on them, finding out that Fredrico knew a drug dealer who they busted. It was originally reported in these threads circa late winter/early spring of 2011 when the Italian paper that 'found' Curatolo and Quintavalle reported it and a bunny linked it here. Police in Perugia were unable to make any closer connection than that, though they 'theorized' publicly that Amanda was somehow connected to this other drug dealer, but without any evidence of that--of course.

The story laid dormant until 2014 sometime when the bunnies managed to get it published by English-speaking sources through bombarding them with it through Twitter etc. What it amounts to is that Amanda knew someone that knew a (real) drug dealer in Perugia, Italy, one of the drug hubs of Europe, which is not uncommon in that unfortunate city.

 

[Vixen]

Really? Your argument is that Guede wouldn't have thrown a rock from the driveway that was roughly at the level of the window because it might have bounced off the window and hit him, therefore AK/RS left RS's apartment and met up with Guede to kill Kercher? Have you figured out what role RS and AK played in the murder? Does your theory include how they managed either to not leave any footprints in the blood or they managed to selectively remove them while they were helping Guede kill Kercher? Do you have anything that resembles evidence to go along with this story you're dreaming up?

Up to now Vixen, I thought it was probable that you believed at least most of what you were posting. Is your last post the start of you revealing this has all been some sort of elaborate joke?

You are putting words in my mouth. What is being discussed, is whether the crime was premeditated.

Several posters claim not. So we have the following potential scenario.

Rudy, walking past the cottage, perhaps whistling nonchalantly.

"Oh, look a very high wall. I know, I'll break into my friends' house, even though I know it's full of penniless students and a couple of trainee lawyers.

There's a really heavy boulder over there. I'll aim it at the nine foot high window, which looks like it's shuttered. Who cares if I can be seen by passing cars!

I'm a mate of Mignini, who pays me for information and I know the old raggazzo wants to reel in Amanda. So, I know, I'll nip in through the front door first, to ransack Filomena's room, so everyone will think it's staged and blame Amanda!

Gosh, I am so clever. I can even leave my DNA and shoeprints there as my old mate Mignini will see to it I get a short sentence in return for framing Amanda."


We-eeell.

 

[Bill Williams]

He told you p.129 "He used to use extensive drugs" by which she probably meant "he used to extensively use drugs" which is reasonably what the a spiteful or quarrelsome woman said.

Ok - I'm not following this reply.... who is the first "he" in your reply? I need a better context.

It seems, though, that Raffaele did the run-of-the-mill drug-experimentation when he was 17 or 18, and found he didn't like it, except for hash.

So.... once again, Vixen just made it up the "I.V. user" thing. Next thing you know, Grinder is going to accuse him of being a True Crime author!!!

 

[Bill Williams]

You are putting words in my mouth. What is being discussed, is whether the crime was premeditated.

Several posters claim not. So we have the following potential scenario.

Rudy, walking past the cottage, perhaps whistling nonchalantly.

"Oh, look a very high wall. I know, I'll break into my friends' house, even though I know it's full of penniless students and a couple of trainee lawyers.

There's a really heavy boulder over there. I'll aim it at the nine foot high window, which looks like it's shuttered. Who cares if I can be seen by passing cars!

I'm a mate of Mignini, who pays me for information and I know the old raggazzo wants to reel in Amanda. So, I know, I'll nip in through the front door first, to ransack Filomena's room, so everyone will think it's staged and blame Amanda!

Gosh, I am so clever. I can even leave my DNA and shoeprints there as my old mate Mignini will see to it I get a short sentence in return for framing Amanda."


We-eeell.

LOL!

As a mocking-recreation.... well, it would be better if you tried a timeline of what you claim is Knox's and Sollecito's involvement in this crime. And speaking of not leaving DNA at a crimescene.....

I'm sure you'll find a reason to say the absolute opposite when it comes to vilifying innocent people who did not leave DNA in a murder room.

 

[Methos]

Not surprisingly, there is no one in Amanda's handwritten list of all her sex partners whose name begins with "F."

That was the main point, made by PIP against the "Sex on a train" Myth
IIRC Amanda Knox explains that episode and what happened after "the train" in WtBH.

The "Consorting a drug dealer" is actually "Sex on a train" 2.0 as Hans explained it in this post on IIP...

The History of a Story

On July 1st, 2014 the American News/Gossip-Portal RadarOnline published an article titled "Amanda Knox Caught In Alleged Cocaine Scandal — Will Drug Allegations Crush Her Bid For An Appeal In Meredith Kercher Murder Case?". The story was picked up by the "Mirror" on July 2nd and by the "Daily Mail" and "The Independent" on July 3rd and finally ended up in the Italian crime-magazine "Giallo". "Giallo" published a follow up to the story publishing what is supposed to be the police report at the center of this story which was then taken up again by RadarOnline. Pro-Guilt writer Selene Nelson in one of her articles complained bitterly that despite "Considering how central the use of drugs has always been to this case, there is no evading the weight of this information." because of the so-called "Knox PR Machine" "large portions of the American media remained silent".

Why wasn't this picked up by the US main stream media?

Because it is "old news". In January 2011, just days after Judge Hellmann granted the independent experts review of the DNA evidence Giuseppe Catellini's "Giornale dell'Umbria" (the newspaper whose's cub reporter found all the witnesses the police couldn't find(Curatolo, Quintavalle, the "ear witnesses")) had this one on it's front page on January 14, 2011:

The story had been picked up by other local Italian "news" like "Terni Magazine" but wasn't picked up by the international news.

The interesting question is: "Why was this long dead story revived by someone hiding behind "Radar Staff" on an American News/Gossip portal?"

One of the "fundamental beliefs" on the Anti-Knox website "True Justice for Meredith Kercher" is that "The US State Department won't raise a finger when it comes to extradition because drugs where involved", they may be right or wrong on this but this is the reason for reviving this story.
Folks on TJMK have speculated for a long time now on what drugs were involved, going from "Skunk Weed" over "Cocaine" to "Chrystal Meth".

Both Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito have published court documents and trial transcripts on their web pages to make clear that they have nothing to hide.
Amanda Knox published her bank record to make clear that she wasn't short of money, so she wouldn't have to steal from Meredith as Judge Nencini now speculates (Nencini is giving credit to Guede on a charge that has been dismissed by all of the courts). She also published her phone records. The phone record proves that there weren't any calls from or to the "Cocaine Dealer" "before and after the murder" as the copied/pasted media reports cited above suggest. There are incoming calls from numbers that are not known (the ones in red) that have been most likely blacked out from the document to protect their owner's privacy.

What really happened

The "police report"

"Giallo" published sais that the police got F(rederico)'s number because it was stored on Amanda Knox's mobile phone. The police wiretapped F's phone and found out that he was linked to persons dealing cocaine in Perugia and was a dealer himself.

TJMK translates this part:

si appurava che una persona italiana a nome "Federico" avrebbe fornito saltuariamente di sostanze stupefacente la nota AMANDA KNOX oltre ad avere presumibilmente avuto con lei dei rapporti di tipo sessuale."

as:

it was verified that an Italian person with the name of “Federico” would from time to time supply drugs to the [person] known as Amanda KNOX, and also allegedly had relations with her of a sexual nature.

It should read (Thank You Teddy ) :

"it was verified that an Italian person with the name of “Federico” allegedly supplied drugs occasionally to the [person] known as Amanda KNOX, and also presumably had relations with her of a sexual nature."

So it looks like

So it reads slightly odd with the word "verified" followed by "allegedly", but what is clear to me from this sentence is that they have not verified anything at all, they have simply jumped to a conclusion, like the "presumable" sexual relations - presumed from what information? NONE!

So the "sexual relationship" and "him selling drugs to her" is pure speculation by the police taken up and exaggerated by the media. The "Radar Staff" person made up a story based on the old article mixing in and misinterpreting the phone records and bank statements published by Amanda Knox, just to hurt her, as gloating recent posts on the Anti-Amanda page TJMK show...

 

[Kauffer]

So.... where does it say what Vixen claims?

Vixen is presumably referring to the Nov 22nd diary entry, where, in compiling a list of sexual partners in order to figure out from whom she "caught" HIV, she notes that Raffaele "used to use extensive drugs"

P 129 from Methos' link.

ETA I see others have already mentioned this

 

[HumanityBlues]

You are putting words in my mouth. What is being discussed, is whether the crime was premeditated.

Several posters claim not. So we have the following potential scenario.

Rudy, walking past the cottage, perhaps whistling nonchalantly.

"Oh, look a very high wall. I know, I'll break into my friends' house, even though I know it's full of penniless students and a couple of trainee lawyers.

There's a really heavy boulder over there. I'll aim it at the nine foot high window, which looks like it's shuttered. Who cares if I can be seen by passing cars!

I'm a mate of Mignini, who pays me for information and I know the old raggazzo wants to reel in Amanda. So, I know, I'll nip in through the front door first, to ransack Filomena's room, so everyone will think it's staged and blame Amanda!

Gosh, I am so clever. I can even leave my DNA and shoeprints there as my old mate Mignini will see to it I get a short sentence in return for framing Amanda."


We-eeell.

Clearly you are trying to be funny. I always thought you might secretly be a Innocentisti parodying a guilter. Good on you. The whole Mensa thing was great too.