Continuation Part 14: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Dan O.]

I was looking at the Nov. 2 video again and came across the part where the window is broken in the downstairs door.


Is this the face of remorse for having just killed the cat?

Watch the video. She puts her foot through the glass window sending large chunks of glass falling to the floor. She reaches through the window to undo the inside latch then she sticks her head in to look. Then she backs away and pulls another officer away that tries to look in. She points to where the large section of glass came from and then they both leave. And the camera man doesn't stick the sense of the camera through that window to get a record of the undisturbed scene. In the next view we see in that kitchen, a curtain has been placed on the floor after the door was opened.

 

[acbytesla]

I have repeatedly heard that Americans don't get irony, as stated by British people. But, language and humour originate in a deep structural space. It is irritating to see a young upstart like Vixen pull rank.

Frankly, I'm an American and I love some English comedies and I hate others, but I could say the same about American comedies. Irony is tough to pull off, but when it is done well, it's great in any language even the King's English or Cockney or with an accent from South New Jersey.

 

[Bill Williams]

For the record, on Nov 1, 2007, the moon was waning, and looked like this:



Now... on to the lamp!

 

[Bill Williams]

Frankly, I'm an American and I love some English comedies and I hate others, but I could say the same about American comedies. Irony is tough to pull off, but when it is done well, it's great in any language even the King's English or Cockney or with an accent from South New Jersey.

Then there's Newfoundland English, where it is in the tonal-context that one can discover when there is no irony. Otherwise, just assume irony comes with the package.

 

[RWVBWL]

Hi Dan O.,
There's much about The Downstairs Crime Scene that still intrigues me.
You too have noticed why don't we get to see inside the kitchen after they break in.
There are missing sections of that video...

Questions for anyone interested:
Where's a photo of the blood on the light switch downstairs?
Where was the light switch even?
1 of the bathrooms? Giacomo or Stefano's bedroom? The living room, the kitchen?

Was the blood on the bottom of the switch,
like coming from someone with blood on there hands and they are lifting up + turning on the light?

Or was it on the top, such as from a person with bloody hands
pushin' downward + turning off the light?

Numbers recently posted a translation of a conversation with Dr Giobbi
talking about the cat, the 1 with a hurt ear,
"especially on the light switch, that the blood on the switch was there because the cat jumped."

Hmmmm,
a jumping cat that turns on or off light switches,
ok Dr. G...



That possible bloodied knife handle imprint on Stefano's downstairs bed is intriguing too,

for it sure looks similar to the bloody knife handle imprint on Miss Kercher's bed upstairs:

Interesting to see too is The Big Boss, PM Mignini,
standing outside, watching as Officer Lorena Zugarini kicks thru + breaks into the boyz kitchen...

It is sooo odd not to see video of the cats blood drops all over place on the 1st day after the cops broke in...

Not in the bathroom, not in Stefano's bedroom,
nor even those bloody pinline outlines in Giacomo's bedroom on is floor.
Nor on the light switch...

Heck maybe someone was stabbed or cut downstairs
and possibly The Flying Squad or Polizia Scientifica does not want us to see what really happened inside down there. Or maybe, as Dan O. pointed out, Officer Zugarini killed the cat...
Weird.
RW

 

[Strozzi]

I believe this is also a good explanation for the stains, as seen from this perspective.

Do we know if these stains were tested for DNA profiles, and if so were the results provided to the court and the defense? I would guess that the profiles would be from Meredith, or a mixture of Meredith and Guede, and that they would have been suppressed if actually tested.

Your idea about the possible sweat-blood drops is interesting. I have read (in Butler's text, I think) that efforts to detect and profile DNA in sweat have met with some success.

The police investigators would have had no knowledge at the time to suspect that some blood on the sheet might be from the perpetrator of the crime. They were not aware that Rudi had sliced the inside surface of his fingers until he was captured, unless they found blood/wound evidence in his flat when they entered many days later.

Stefanoni likely still retains the bed sheet. In theory, it could be tested now.

The problem now is that Stefanoni and her colleagues/supervisors have a great incentive to exhonerate themselves of error in this case. What is to prevent Stefanoni or colleagues at this time from contaminating the blood spots or sheet with the 2 defendants' DNA or even any of Amanda's blood that might have been collected when the bunny-suited police (and their photographer) smeared together different tiny blood spots or DNA and blood spots when they wiped the bathroom sink to create a mixed-sample?

If I were the defense, I would be very concerned about another frame-up of evidence that has been in Stefanoni's control all these years. That is a bigger worry at this time than trying to find any blood from Rudi's finger bleed in the blood on the bed sheet.

 

[Vixen]

Why turn the phones off? How does it help? Phones left on at the flat are evidence they were there, which would have helped them if they really were out to murder.

As you know, Raf's dad rang him all the time. The pings will show a series of unanswered calls.

Also, if it was for reasons of "being romantic", why not just put it on silence?

In addition, why did they change the story a few times as to why they were turned off?

 

[Vixen]

You Brits are also able to concoct the most inane puerile drivel and pass it off as comedy, alongside your claims to being one up on humour. Each case on its merits.....either side of the Atlantic.

I agree American sitcom is now superior. For exampl, BBT or BIMYM.

 

[RWVBWL]

For the record, on Nov 1, 2007, the moon was waning, and looked like this:



<snip>

Heya Bill Williams,
Nice moon pic!

I believe I recall that the winds were blowin' about 13 miles per hour that night too,
that'll make any flag, be it Italian, English, American, Canadian or (for bro Samson) New Zealand, crack and snap in the wind. Go measure some wind if you don't believe me, I have...

With a front door open all night and a broken window nearby,
even if F's door was closed, wind would have moved her shutters overnight.

How the heck did Italian investigators decide that the outside window shutters were in the same spot as Rudy Guede left them? The house was at the top of a small valley, which would funneled the wind stronger thru out the flat, whichever way it was blowing.

Maybe someday I'll share a pic or 2,
with the flag flying across PCH at Topanga Beach snappin', crackin' in the wind
and a Davis WindScribe measurin' it at 13mph,
folks'll understand what I mean...
See ya, RW


ETA - I see Vixen's back,
Billy wants to discuss The Lamp with ya...

 

[Sergei Walankov]

In addition, why did they change the story a few times as to why they were turned off?

Because what one does with one's phone is a matter too trivial to be worth committing firmly to memory -- unless of course it forms part of your murder plot, in which case you'd be damn sure you had your story straight.

While I have you, could I trouble you for a cite on Amanda's sex contact list identifying Raffaele as an IV drug user?

 

[Strozzi]

I was looking at the Nov. 2 video again and came across the part where the window is broken in the downstairs door.

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Is this the face of remorse for having just killed the cat?

Watch the video. She puts her foot through the glass window sending large chunks of glass falling to the floor. She reaches through the window to undo the inside latch then she sticks her head in to look. Then she backs away and pulls another officer away that tries to look in. She points to where the large section of glass came from and then they both leave. And the camera man doesn't stick the sense of the camera through that window to get a record of the undisturbed scene. In the next view we see in that kitchen, a curtain has been placed on the floor after the door was opened.

I watched the video as well. It is possible that the cat, hearing people outside near the door, was waiting there to be let out. Some cats behave that way. I noted that in the video the police officer gave two kicks about 10 seconds apart. In her first kick her shoe struck the solid wood of the door just below the window glass. You hear a very large "bang" of shoe hitting on wood. Had the cat been near, he would have fled from the very loud noise to the back of another room. Her second kick came perhaps 10 seconds later. She actually paused to catch her breath and reposition herself between kicks, time enough for the cat to flee from the first "bang" before the second kick shattered the glass.

I pointed out two years ago my surprise that the police did not immediately enter the downstairs flat looking for other (injured?) victims or the perpetrator. The police were there for hours before entering downstairs. Police should have entered immediately. I guess the word "rescue" is not part of their mandate.

 

[Bill Williams]

Why turn the phones off? How does it help? Phones left on at the flat are evidence they were there, which would have helped them if they really were out to murder.

As you know, Raf's dad rang him all the time. The pings will show a series of unanswered calls.

Also, if it was for reasons of "being romantic", why not just put it on silence?

In addition, why did they change the story a few times as to why they were turned off?

Instead of answering Kauffer's questions, the random-factoid generator just keeps pumping them out. These factoids actually have nothing at all to do with anything.....

 

[Kauffer]

As you know, Raf's dad rang him all the time. The pings will show a series of unanswered calls.

Also, if it was for reasons of "being romantic", why not just put it on silence?

In addition, why did they change the story a few times as to why they were turned off?

Well, the reasons given are perfectly valid taken together or on their own - saving battery, not wanting to be disturbed. I'm really not sure Raffaele's phone was off, anyway. But we do know there were reception problems at least in parts of the flat.

Even unanswered call pings, if indeed that is what phones do, recorded in Raffaele's flat provide better alibi evidence than phones which are off, if they wanted, actively to perform some action with the phones in support of murderous intent.

But, you see, your problems are only just starting with this phones off enquiry because it presupposes planning and premeditation. And that takes us into a requirement to meet an additional burden of proof.

 

[Grinder]

Because what one does with one's phone is a matter too trivial to be worth committing firmly to memory -- unless of course it forms part of your murder plot, in which case you'd be damn sure you had your story straight.

While I have you, could I trouble you for a cite on Amanda's sex contact list identifying Raffaele as an IV drug user?

You reference one of the great holes in the PGP's theories. If they went to the trouble of all the premeditation and needed planning including turning off the phones, sneaking the knife through the streets, the theft from Q's store of the mop head, disposing of a knife and bloody clothes and shoes, the hoover DNA dial-a-matic cleanup, etc. ; yet they forgot to have basic coordination of their stories? They turned off their phones (hello the unanswered calls would be recorded so no benefit) but didn't agree the reason was not to be disturbed? Hogwash. Horse pucky.

 

[RWVBWL]

Well, the reasons given are perfectly valid taken together or on their own - saving battery, not wanting to be disturbed. I'm really not sure Raffaele's phone was off, anyway. But we do know there were reception problems at least in parts of the flat.

Even unanswered call pings, if indeed that is what phones do, recorded in Raffaele's flat provide better alibi evidence than phones which are off, if they wanted, actively to perform some action with the phones in support of murderous intent.

But, you see, your problems are only just starting with this phones off enquiry because it presupposes planning and premeditation. And that takes us into a requirement to meet an additional burden of proof.

Greetings,
In this very powerfull video that Analemma linked,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QeRH_dGE0
which has English subtitles,
Raffaele Sollecito tells us that he did not turn off his phone that night,
and also explains the pain in the *** reception difficulties from inside his flat.
I'm sure this would have to jive with any court info, right?

I believe him...
RW

 

[js202]

It's funny, because I went, the day before the Hellmann acquittals, knowing nothing about the case, other than, for some reason or other, having mistakenly got it into my head, presumably from half listening to news reports, that Guede, Amanda and Raffaele were all firm friends, to beyond reasonable doubt within an hour and a half's research, with that research only taking so long because I held out for about 45 minutes and refused to accept that there really was no evidence of Amanda in Kercher's room.

This exquisitely crafted (quadruple?) compound-complex sentence rockets right up past Hemingway and into the realm of Henry James. Kudos.

 

[Vixen]

Vixen, it's been asserted that your claim about Amanda's sex contact list identifying Raffaele as an IV drug user is a guilter fabrication. I make no judgement on this, but I'd be interested to see a citation.

There is a photo of the handwritten note oon the public domain. I am sure others can verify.

 

[RWVBWL]

I watched the video as well. It is possible that the cat, hearing people outside near the door, was waiting there to be let out. Some cats behave that way. I noted that in the video the police officer gave two kicks about 10 seconds apart. In her first kick her shoe struck the solid wood of the door just below the window glass. You hear a very large "bang" of shoe hitting on wood. Had the cat been near, he would have fled from the very loud noise to the back of another room. Her second kick came perhaps 10 seconds later. She actually paused to catch her breath and reposition herself between kicks, time enough for the cat to flee from the first "bang" before the second kick shattered the glass.

I pointed out two years ago my surprise that the police did not immediately enter the downstairs flat looking for other (injured?) victims or the perpetrator. The police were there for hours before entering downstairs. Police should have entered immediately. I guess the word "rescue" is not part of their mandate.

I agree with you Strozzi.

I'm tryin' to think outside the box, so to say.
Cat's blood everywhere downstairs?
Maybe Rudy Guede killed the cat?


Now I bet that would really piss off the bunny+hummingbird luvin' PMFer's at .orgy, even more so than Rudy's DNA being found inside Meredith's kitty. I betcha the orgies would add another 10 years to Rudy's sentence if they found out that "Poor Rudy" killed the cat.
My opinion only,
RW

 

[Vixen]

Well, the reasons given are perfectly valid taken together or on their own - saving battery, not wanting to be disturbed. I'm really not sure Raffaele's phone was off, anyway. But we do know there were reception problems at least in parts of the flat.

Even unanswered call pings, if indeed that is what phones do, recorded in Raffaele's flat provide better alibi evidence than phones which are off, if they wanted, actively to perform some action with the phones in support of murderous intent.

But, you see, your problems are only just starting with this phones off enquiry because it presupposes planning and premeditation. And that takes us into a requirement to meet an additional burden of proof.

Many ppl don't realise the gps is still on when the phone is switched off.

Guys, if you don't want a trace, for example, going into a store which tracks "Pathway Technology", it's not enough to turn your phone off, you need to put your phone in "flight mode".

This also works if you immediately want to recall a text message sent in error.

 

[Bill Williams]

There is a photo of the handwritten note oon the public domain. I am sure others can verify.

So in other words, you're just making it up.