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Merged Chick Tracts

FromBelgiumWithLove said:
Only in some translations, such as the KJV. Strangely, translations all originating with brands of Christianity that had bishops when those translations were made. Non-episcopal translations use terms such as "overseer", "church official", "elder", etc. (and equivalents in languages other than English) in the passage from 1 Timothy quoted.

ETA: if you look at a comparative site such as https://www.biblegateway.com/, it's also noticeable that, across languages, the use of the word "bishop" or equivalents diminishes the newer the translations get.
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I have done this, and give below all the occurrences of "bishop" found in Bible Gateway in the Authorised Version, with the Modern English Version of the same verses. The word "bishop" is rendered "overseer" in the MEV; the original Greek meaning. That such a rendition is justified is proved beyond cavil by the first example below, where the AV gives the hopelessly anachronistic "bishopric" in a citation from Psalms. The AV used the word in contexts in which not a bishop in the later sense, but a mere leader of a congregation, is implied.

Moreover, Paul addressed his letters not to any named monarchical individual, but to the congregations of the churches to which he wrote them. (Assuming that his works are not fictions fabricated centuries later by packs of insane liars, as a hoax.) Timothy and Titus are of course no longer attributed to Paul.
Acts 1:20
KJV/AV For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.
MEV For it is written in the Book of Psalms, ‘Let his habitation become desolate,
and let no one live in it,’ and, Let another take his office.
Philippians 1:1
KJV/AV Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:
MEV Paul and Timothy, servants of Jesus Christ, To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are at Philippi, with the overseers and deacons:
1 Timothy 3:1
KJV/AV This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
MEV This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the office of an overseer, he desires a good work.
1 Timothy 3:2
KJV/AV A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
MEV An overseer then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, sober, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach;
Titus 1:7
KJV/AV For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
MEV For an overseer must be blameless, as a steward of God, not self-willed, not easily angered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not greedy for dishonest gain,
1 Peter 2:25
KJV/AV For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
MEV For you were as sheep going astray, but now have been returned to the Shepherd and Guardian of your souls.
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In the last passage the translation "bishop" is ludicrous in modern English. It must mean "overseer" or the like, as in the later meaning of "Bishop", a church can have one, but a soul can't.
 
Craig B said:
I have done this, and give below all the occurrences of "bishop" found in Bible Gateway in the Authorised Version, with the Modern English Version of the same verses.
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Because that site doesn't have any Dutch versions on it, just for fun I checked the two versions I have on paper and two I could find online easily.

The oldest one, the Dutch equivalent of the KJV, the 1635 Statenbijbel, published with the authority of the States-General of the Netherlands and the General Synod of the Dutch Reformed Church (and still clung to fanatically by certain ultra-conservative Protestant denominations), has "opziener", i.e. "overseer". So does the 20th century translation by the Protestant bible society, and so does the current oecumenical translation jointly published by the Protestant and Catholic bible societies. Interestingly, the earlier official Catholic-only translation uses "leider" and "leider van de gemeente", i.e. "leader of the congregation" (or "community", or at a pinch "parish"). So even in the Catholic version there are no bishops mentioned.
 
FromBelgiumWithLove said:
Only in some translations, such as the KJV. Strangely, translations all originating with brands of Christianity that had bishops when those translations were made. Non-episcopal translations use terms such as "overseer", "church official", "elder", etc. (and equivalents in languages other than English) in the passage from 1 Timothy quoted.

ETA: if you look at a comparative site such as https://www.biblegateway.com/, it's also noticeable that, across languages, the use of the word "bishop" or equivalents diminishes the newer the translations get.
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Another way is to go back to the Greek original and look for the Greek word for bishop, i.e., ἐπίσκοπος (episkopos). Biblehub is your friend. And it yields the same results as Craig summed up.

Of course, the very early church of the times of Paul had no bishops as we know today. But I have little doubt that the Catholic hierarchy grew out of such "overseers" as mentioned in those letters.
 
Craig B said:
The Catholic Church evolved over a period of time, as did the authority of the head of the Church in Rome. For many centuries the Eastern and Western Patriarchates were part of the same universal church, so that the RCC has no greater claim to be the "original" church than the Eastern Orthodox churches have. They didn't formally split until the eleventh century.
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Those are not to be confused with the Oriental Orthodox churches, which dropped out at various stages of the first seven Ecumenical councils, where much of the current dogma (such as the Trinity) was fixed. The Armenian church is one example of an Oriental church. Various Syriac churches are also Oriental (those Christians now threatened by ISIS), though there is a bewildering variety among Syriac churches: some are in communion with Rome, others with Constantinople, and others again are Oriental.
 
ddt said:
Another way is to go back to the Greek original and look for the Greek word for bishop, i.e., ἐπίσκοπος (episkopos). Biblehub is your friend.
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I don't think I want it as a friend. Or that it wants me, either.

And it yields the same results as Craig summed up.
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Of course, and all the words for bishop, at least in those European languages I know about, are all more or less bastardized versions of that Greek word. But the point was more that relying on translations, which is what the overwhelming majority of Christians do (or at least, the majority of the minority of them that actually bother to read the Bible), can be quite deceptive, and that some translations are more deceptive than others.

Jack Chick is a KJV-only Christian, BTW. Now I don't know which particular strand in that movement he belongs to, but the more extremist of them are convinced that the KJV translation is unique among all Bible translations, in all languages, in being directly inspired by God. Which is convenient, because it removes any need to bother with learning any Hebrew or Greek. God's word in early seventeenth century English is just as good. All other translations are therefore of course automatically heretical.

Some strands of Dutch calvinism have a somewhat similar relationship with their Statenbijbel. They sometimes expel members who are caught in the heinous crime of having any other translation in the house. Of course, that usually goes together with other transgressions. Such as having TV, or an internet connection. Or having female family members who sometimes wear trousers.
 
Fundies think that the only reason people don't believe is that they just haven't heard about Jeezus. Once you hear about him you just have to accept the truth and convert.

Steve S
 
steve s said:
Fundies think that the only reason people don't believe is that they just haven't heard about Jeezus. Once you hear about him you just have to accept the truth and convert.

Steve S
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That's how I feel about evolution.
 
I never really went to school,my dad and grandad taught me to read. They also told me about the folly of religion. My dad when he was young had to-he was a atheist-put up with bother from both Catholic and Protestant folk. My grandad was one of the liberators of bergen Belsen,that got rid of the little religion in him.
I loved reading about history from a early age and new that Loads of gods are kicking around,all of whom were claimed by there believers to be the only right one/ones. When my dad told me most of the world was still religious, I half thought he was jokeing.
My mum-was not to bright my old mum-said the kids need some high schooling and I was sent age 12,let's just say I got a shock at the first assembly. I remember I once told that to a Christian nut,they actually said"you poor thing". Why,because I was taught that religion was vile crap by my family from an early age.
 
I am absolutely outraged by this comic.

NO FANG!

I assume the cat is our old friend TCWNIDK, but has he ever appeared without Fang before? I do like the evil rapey look on his face in Panel 17 (if I counted right), but . . . damn, I just don't even want to read this Fangless abomination.

Wait . . . found him . . . he's in a picture on the wall in panel 2. IS FANG DEAD??? Did TCWNIDK finally rape him to death? Or has he just run off in search of a better comic?

Okay, unrelated to cartoon dogs . . . so you don't have a body, but you have a tongue and eyes? And, apparently from the drawing of Future Dead Emily, you also have jammies. That's kind of creepy, even for a Chick tract.
 
Cainkane1 said:
http://media.chick.com/tractimages67491/1093/1093_01.gif It seems like a girl age eight to ten has no idea or concept of who Jesus was or si nor any idea what christianity is until she spends the night at a friends house.
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Just FYI: Your link is to the front cover of the tract. You need to right-click on the link to the tract and select "copy link location" not "copy image location." Here is what the link should look like: http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1093/1093_01.asp

I think the scariest panel in the entire tract is the first one. "We'll take good care of her. Heh, heh, heh . . ." Sure you will. The mother has such a sinister look on her face.
 
Chick tracts creep me out, but I'm always thrilled when I find one in a public bathroom or something, and I read it and bring it home to my equally thrilled atheist/agnostic family members. There's something about comics. Chick knows people will read them.
 
Bump.

Newest one here

Don't miss the panel with Alfred E. Neuman in the lower right. How'd he get there?
 
At least Fang has a cameo as a "beast of the field."

Alfred E. looks like somebody beat him up a little bit. Maybe Sylvester P. Smythe from Cracked?

Weird panel with the guy going off to get married - he looks like he's around 40, and apparently he's never told his parents about his plans before. His mom's in her bathrobe, for Chrissake - they aren't even invited to the wedding? Clearly he's lying, and he's going off to Gay Days at Disney World.

I do kind of like the serpent in the garden with legs, standing up . . . you know, so he can be cursed later to "on your belly shall you go."

Is Adam filpping God off as he leaves the garden?

Other than that, just standard Chick stuff - heathens are ugly, Christians are good-looking, repent and be saved forever, blah blah blah.
 
Paul2 said:
Bump.

Newest one here

Don't miss the panel with Alfred E. Neuman in the lower right. How'd he get there?
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I love how Adam is supposed to name the animals and all he's thinking of is getting laid. Apparently all that stopped him at times was the fact that they were already taken.

Chick is one messed up motha.
 
Jesus Christ, Yaweh is as big as the goddamned Lincoln Memorial in that second to last panel.
 
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