"The absolute, honest truth about UFOs"

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Now why would you assume extraterrestrial visitation would include anal probes? That could be a report generated by some demented person's sleep disordered nightmare.

If When we know, the answer will be obvious.

 

[SezMe]

Or it could be happening and we are just too stupid or un-evolved to recognize it.

It's hard to imagine how evolution could proceed in such a way as to enhance our ability to recognize interstellar aliens.

 

[Jodie]

And I say not necessarily if the basis for the existence of each of our species is so divergent that it makes it impossible to bridge that gap. This is strictly an article with opinions of what extraterrestrial life might look like, but I think they are more or less informed opinions. If we were visited by one of these creatures, I doubt I would notice, and it's possible that I could be mistaken for something similar to a termite.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/space/deep-space/g1592/we-asked-7-experts-what-would-aliens-actually-look-like/?slide=3

 

[Lucian]

You say, "pretty much" that leaves room for doubt and in your mind the possibility.

"Do I have an exception such as one that I know to be true? My exception is things like this

http://www.educatinghumanity.com/2012/07/ufo-sighting-by-pilots-crew-and.html

I know you're going to try to kill the messenger but the message is that I put far more weight on the testimony of pilots, high ranking military officers, radar operators, etc., than I do the words of someone who is probably under 40 who sits in front of a computer screen being an a priori
armchair quarter back who's bought into the group think/herd mentality.

Regarding the special reliability of pilots and military personnel, I suggest you read this post by a retired USAF pilot and this thread about the post.

 

[jakesteele]

Regarding the special reliability of pilots and military personnel, I suggest you read this post by a retired USAF pilot and this thread about the post.

Okay, I read them. So what? A pilot related an incident where he was fooled and then goes into the pareidolia of humans in general, including amateur astronomers. I still stand by my statement. I will take their word before I take that of an a priori armchair quarterbacks.

 

[jakesteele]

The video you present in evidence is taken at night, we have no idea where the camera is pointing at any time, there is no way anyone can measure how big the "object" is and/or how far away it is. It is also, as is so typical of these videos, OUT OF FOCUS. If anyone is going to take a decent picture of a point of light at night, TURN OF AUTO-FOCUS and set the focus at infinity.

As far as "the testimony of pilots, high ranking military officers, radar operators, etc." is concerned, members of these sets have demonstrably misinterpreted all sorts of mundane objects such as balloons, planets, stars, other aircraft, reflections, shrimp boats, and clouds as UFOs

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As have people from any other group. A witness to a bank robbery is an unreliable witness, but a cop with training and experience makes a better witness. So it is with pilots, especially commercial and military.

You dismiss astronomers as not being qualified but these are one of the two groups of people (meteorologists being the other one) who look at the sky with both training and experience.

It strikes me as typical of debunkers that you are trying to discredit anything positive about my chosen group, all the while trying to say, imply that somehow your group is better...why? Because it's what you want to hear reinforced by herd mentality and group think. You say, "who look at the sky with both training and experience." Well, guess what? So do pilots with both 'training and experience." Did you see the live time feed showing all flights in the air at any given time. As I said earlier. Pilots fly at the approximate heights of many, many sightings. They are focused on the here and now in front and around them. I'll bet you there are far more pilot eyes trained on the sky as opposed to fewer astronomers looking up there at the stars.

Honestly, I am befuddled at how you can say pilots aren't good witness's and can't be relied on but at the same time you give astronomers and meteorologist a special exemption to this rule.

And lay off the personal nastiness of your posts. They sure don't help your case. You have no idea of the training, education, age or experience of the forum members who are responding to you.

I will lay off the nastiness when your guys lay off of it. I never get nasty until someone else starts it. And speaking of nastiness, why don't almost all of you guys lay off it and don't use terms like woo, truther, etc. The very nature of JREF threads and posts is nastiness, snobbery, condescension, snottiness ad hominem attacks.

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[jakesteele]

Are you levitating one foot above the ground right now? You're pretty much on the ground? That leaves room for doubt and in your mind the possibility.

WTF?

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Can you give us some sources on that or is that just your opinion?

Is your opinion that aliens have visited Earth in the past few thousand years?

 

[Donn]

Or it could be happening and we are just too stupid or un-evolved to recognize it.

Again with the evolved stuff. Knock it off, it's not useful.

I looked at your link. Not impressed. If an alien looked like a cloud, it would not be long before it would also have to act like a cloud — or we'd notice it.

Microscopic aliens that are asymmetrical — same idea: they will become obvious or they will remain perfectly hidden.

Here's a question for you: what is the difference between an alien that hides perfectly (we can never know it's there) and no alien there at all?

 

[Donn]

I still stand by my statement. I will take their word before I take that of an a priori armchair quarterbacks.

Why?

WTF?

Yeah, that was not hard to understand. You paint your flag ever clearer.

 

[RoboTimbo]

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Such as the pilots at Campeche?

 

[Delvo]

So what? A pilot related an incident where he was fooled and then goes into the pareidolia of humans in general

The fact that people can misunderstand what they see and think they've seen something different from what was actually there is of no significance to you?

 

[MG1962]

Why?

Because it suits the poster to believe this. It would be interesting to see how many UFOs he has investigated, actually gone and accumulated data on. My bet would be the answer is pretty close to zero. Which by his own definition means he is also armchair quarterbacking.

Which might explain why he has gone out of his way to avoid responding to me. Because I have actually been out there, seen things, investigated those things. Drawn my own conclusions on what occurred.

But apparently that does not count. I am still part of some herd or something

 

[Donn]

Because it suits the poster to believe this. .. he is also armchair quarterbacking.

Oh yes.

Which might explain why he has gone out of his way to avoid responding to me.

I noticed, don't you worry. My brother in law is also an amateur astronomy buff. He knows the sky like the root of his file system! Has zero time for UFO malarkey either.

 

[MG1962]

I noticed, don't you worry. My brother in law is also an amateur astronomy buff. He knows the sky like the root of his file system! Has zero time for UFO malarkey either.

I could just see the conversation if aliens ever did land and meet an amateur astronomer.

Alien: Take me to your leader

Me: Sure, hang on first have you ever seen Saturn through a telescope?

Alien: sigh

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

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Please turn it down a notch. And learn how to quote properly.

 

[Donn]

I could just see the conversation if aliens ever did land and meet an amateur astronomer.

Alien: Take me to your leader

Me: Sure, hang on first have you ever seen Saturn through a telescope?

Alien: sigh

So true.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

I could just see the conversation if aliens ever did land and meet an amateur astronomer.

Alien: Take me to your leader

Me: Sure, hang on first have you ever seen Saturn through a telescope?

Alien: sigh

And you say that as though it's wrong somehow?

I once, in print (actually it was a fanzine) defined a Science Fiction fan as someone, who on being woken by his clock radio in the morning and hears that aliens have landed on the Whitehouse lawn, says, "I told you so," and rolls over and goes back to sleep.

 

[stanfr]

Or it could be happening and we are just too stupid or un-evolved to recognize it.

The problem with your argument, as Donn pointed out above, is that if the aliens are so vastly different, then they wouldn't be flying around in cylindrical shiny craft either--and that is what the OP is about. If we are advanced enough to know some basics about electromagnetic radiation, methinks the aliens would cut us some slack and make an attempt to say 'hi', much the same way biologists 'communicate' with tadpoles. And, yes, we do monitor bacteria and viruses too. Just ask the folks at the CDC.

 

[MG1962]

And you say that as though it's wrong somehow?

I once, in print (actually it was a fanzine) defined a Science Fiction fan as someone, who on being woken by his clock radio in the morning and hears that aliens have landed on the Whitehouse lawn, says, "I told you so," and rolls over and goes back to sleep.

True story: Back in the 90s I was having a beer with a fellow science fiction fan and neighbor at his house overlooking Sydney just after sunset. All of a sudden in the distance this huge yellow cigar shaped object appeared over the suburbs slowly moving towards the city center.

We went back and forth becoming increasing concerned that this might be it, might actually be the big one. Finally (and I still laugh at myself over this) I said "Well if it is an alien spaceship we are sure gonna read about it in the papers tomorrow"

Turned out it was a blimp brought in from the US for advertising, what fooled us was the trick of internally lighting the thing, gave a rather eerie glow.