Continuation Part 14: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[codyjuneau]

According to Yummi/Mach and implied by Vixen (google "Amanda Knox" Vixen and get 189,000 hits and they are referring to her as a vixen) it was the defenses fault the stain wasn't tested. If the prosecution saw it and didn't test it that obviously raises a huge red flag. The reason given for not testing was that the bloody shoe print would be compromised. I have already put the above reason forward but no response. So I ask again why wouldn't a photo suffice of the shoe print? How could any visible stain on the pillow below the body not be tested. If it was from someone other than Rudi, Raf or Giacomo then we'd have the accomplice, no?

Simples. Swab a section of the stain that doesn't show part of the shoe print. You have the photos as a backup as well.

The prosecution simply didn't want possibly exculpatory evidence to be admitted. None of them believed it would belong to anyone other than Rudy Guede, in my opinion.

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And not just the prosecution Rose, virtually every pro guilt person on the face of the earth defended NOT testing the presumed semen stain, while pro innocents almost universally argued it should be tested.

It's as if every pro guilt person knew in their gut, but would not admit, even to themselves, that the presumptive semen on the pillow found under Meredith's naked body could not possibly be from Raffaele.

Nothing else so conspicuously demonstrates the pro guilt side's motivation to be a misguided vendetta against Raffael and Amanda.

Cody
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[carbonjam72]

Columbo wasn't cheesy

I think I remember that one. The murder involved something with the arm of a record player dislodging a heavy book which made a loud thump and a gun firing by itself. If memory serves, Columbo vexed the killer by getting the solution slightly wrong provoking an incriminating, exasperated correction. We can try that out on Vixen when s/he actually says something interesting. I fancy we may be in for a wait though as s/he seems to have gone away for a bit.

1) Its scary that you know this Columbo episode. IIRC, you have nailed it exactly right. (There's a lot of wisdom in serial TV, along with the drek).

2) Perhaps there's a cheese rolling event that was a must.

 

[carbonjam72]

Advise and Repent

Rats. What with the cased now really closed, there is little, really, to talk about.

Vixen seemed bent on discrediting Hellmann - probably because the ISC in March 2015 decided that Helmmann was right after all. What was worth talking about was not Vixen's opinion about that, it was worth it to discuss the reasons behind why he thought that.

He thought that Hellmann had brought Contin & Vecchiotti into the case as a "limited exercise". That was simply bizarre to claim. He thought that Hellmann was out of his depth as a judge adjudicating a criminal trial. That, too, was bizarre.... a long since debunked guilter claim not seen, really, since 2012. (It, though, is not meant as a comment against Hellmann in 2015; it serves to set-up some as-yet-unknown reason why Section 5 of the ISC, Mascara and Bruno, are somehow deficient....)

It does serve as a reminder of what the guilter project was..... "was" (past tense) because there is little reason to pay heed to it these days. It was to throw muck at anyone espousing innocence as randomly as possible hoping something would stick.

Marasca/Bruno proved that ultimately nothing did.

So what are we going to talk about from now until the M/B report arrives?

Has TJMK gone dark? And PMF.Net is down? That just leaves PMF.Org, and MOMK.com, right?

Why are these sites folding? Legal warnings from AK/RS legal? Or their own counsel, if they were smart enough to seek advice?

Or, I hope, finally law enforcement serving notice to cut the crap?

There's only about 60 days to go, or less, until the motivation.
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By the way, does anyone know the exact resolution of ALL the charges?

'Not committed the act' for murder.

But 'staging a crime scene' - was that 'did not commit the act', or 'crime does not exists'?

Other charges were, stolen money and sexual assault? Anyone know offhand? The exact formulation of the lesser charges could be very revealing of how the motivation report will be written.

 

[RoseMontague]

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And not just the prosecution Rose, virtually every pro guilt person on the face of the earth defended NOT testing the presumed semen stain, while pro innocents almost universally argued it should be tested.

It's as if every pro guilt person knew in their gut, but would not admit, even to themselves, that the presumptive semen on the pillow found under Meredith's naked body could not possibly be from Raffaele.

Nothing else so conspicuously demonstrates the pro guilt side's motivation to be a misguided vendetta against Raffael and Amanda.

Cody
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Well, yes. Good point. It's kind of hard to argue against testing a semen stain on a pillow under the hips of a mostly nude murder victim. Yet those on the side of guilt tried their hardest. Blaming it on the defense team was especially silly, as if the defense controlled any of the testing in this case and didn't petition the court to have it tested. It also ignored the stated reasons by the court for not testing the stain which is probably second on the silly excuse list.

 

[Bill Williams]

And not just the prosecution Rose, virtually every pro guilt person on the face of the earth defended NOT testing the presumed semen stain, while pro innocents almost universally argued it should be tested.

It's as if every pro guilt person knew in their gut, but would not admit, even to themselves, that the presumptive semen on the pillow found under Meredith's naked body could not possibly be from Raffaele.

Nothing else so conspicuously demonstrates the pro guilt side's motivation to be a misguided vendetta against Raffael and Amanda.

Cody

Well, yes. Good point. It's kind of hard to argue against testing a semen stain on a pillow under the hips of a mostly nude murder victim. Yet those on the side of guilt tried their hardest. Blaming it on the defense team was especially silly, as if the defense controlled any of the testing in this case and didn't petition the court to have it tested. It also ignored the stated reasons by the court for not testing the stain which is probably second on the silly excuse list.

This whole issue in miniature showed (past tense) the bankruptcy of the prosecution/guilter case - in the latter case, no one really knew what their case was because they simply would not put what they thought they knew to a timeline.

No wonder the ISC in March 2015 acquitted/exonerated the accused. One of the Section 5 judges could have simply asked, "Run it by me one more time why they never tested the presumed semen stain?" It's good to know that there are some judges in Italy who said, "There's some crap I will not eat!"

 

[JREF2010]

Has Peter Quennell's site gone off-line?

What makes you ask that?

 

[carbonjam72]

What makes you ask that?

Doesn't show up in search threads. Could it have been de-listed from Google, but still available directly somehow?

I had same question. It used to come up prominently all the time in searches, now, zippo.

ETA: My goof. Just tried truejustice.org and it came up fine. Maybe its just lost most of its traffic, and that why its not ranking high any more? Have to wonder how long the guilter crowd will keep on before quietly gnashing their bitter little teeth.

 

[anglolawyer]

1) Its scary that you know this Columbo episode. IIRC, you have nailed it exactly right. (There's a lot of wisdom in serial TV, along with the drek).

2) Perhaps there's a cheese rolling event that was a must.

1) I love Columbo. I have the box set. Everyone thinks I'm joking when I say Columbo would have figured this one out in a flash.

2) yes, it's cheese rolling weekend here. Like every weekend in England. This week it's Cheddar, next week Stilton.

 

[carbonjam72]

1) I love Columbo. I have the box set. Everyone thinks I'm joking when I say Columbo would have figured this one out in a flash.

2) yes, it's cheese rolling weekend here. Like every weekend in England. This week it's Cheddar, next week Stilton.

Do you know of a good cheese shop that's well stocked, including Windsleydale on Tuesdays? (Cue LPA).

 

[carbonjam72]

1) I love Columbo. I have the box set. Everyone thinks I'm joking when I say Columbo would have figured this one out in a flash.

2) yes, it's cheese rolling weekend here. Like every weekend in England. This week it's Cheddar, next week Stilton.

Actually though, Unlike Guede, Columbo's murderers commit the crime, then hang around and try to mislead him, and he winds up seeing through them. But yeah, he would probably make short work of Mignini.

 

[anglolawyer]

Do you know of a good cheese shop that's well stocked, including Windsleydale on Tuesdays? (Cue LPA).

Law of Property Act?

 

[RoseMontague]

Law of Property Act?

Last Person Alive?

 

[lonepinealex]

He means me, the swine. He likes to try to provoke me...

 

[anglolawyer]

He means me, the swine. He likes to try to provoke me...

Ah. Lol

 

[anglolawyer]

Actually though, Unlike Guede, Columbo's murderers commit the crime, then hang around and try to mislead him, and he winds up seeing through them. But yeah, he would probably make short work of Mignini.

He usually sees through them straight away, but then spends an hour teasing them with awkward questions. But we don't need Columbo here because Amanda herself solved the crime within a couple of days. It's in WTBH. She worked out that the clues meant the killer was already in the house when Mez got home. More than 7 years later, even Mensa-types are struggling with this puzzle so you have to give her credit.

 

[Antony]

I think I remember that one. The murder involved something with the arm of a record player dislodging a heavy book which made a loud thump and a gun firing by itself. If memory serves, Columbo vexed the killer by getting the solution slightly wrong provoking an incriminating, exasperated correction. We can try that out on Vixen when s/he actually says something interesting. I fancy we may be in for a wait though as s/he seems to have gone away for a bit.

Crime dramas have a lot to answer for, IMO. They give a completely false picture of how crimes are solved. Too many of the miscarriages of justice I know of resemble a case of a police officer fancying himself as Columbo or Hercule Poirot. All that's missing is the drawing room explanation of the crime solution, with the culprit among those gathered.

 

[Grinder]

Yeah, if he were shooting gobs from the hallway. (One set of footprints in wet blood?).

There were no footprints smart ass only shoe-prints. Maybe they had matching shoes or maybe he avoided stepping in blood as he watched Rudi kill her after his deposit.

 

[Grinder]

Believe me, I know Grinder, We definitely have gone toe to toe about Rudy and the burglary at Ms. Diaz's apartment as well as the discussion about how motive and the personal histories of the suspects effects our views on the csse.

Hey since you bring it up, before my hiatus you were going to get the police report from Nina. How that work out? About as well as Bertha?

 

[Grinder]

I have a another question for Vixen. Why would Mez wear a bra with rusted hooks?

Choose one:
1) Mez didn't know her bra had rusty hooks. It might be due to the salt content in the air blowing landward from the North Sea.
2) Dr. Stefanoni collected the bra clasp 46 days after the crime. She tested the hooks to try to find DNA on them. She found the DNA of at least four males on them - one of which had a profile that fit half the men in southern Italy including possibly males of the Sollecito family. She then stored the bra clasp in a fluid-filled glass tube which rendered the hooks rusty and prevented the clasp hooks from being examined a second time by scientists.
2) I didn't know they were rusty. I'm new to the case.

I don't believe the tube was fluid filled but rather the tube allowed for condensation but happy to be shown wrong.

 

[Grinder]

Well, yes. Good point. It's kind of hard to argue against testing a semen stain on a pillow under the hips of a mostly nude murder victim. Yet those on the side of guilt tried their hardest. Blaming it on the defense team was especially silly, as if the defense controlled any of the testing in this case and didn't petition the court to have it tested. It also ignored the stated reasons by the court for not testing the stain which is probably second on the silly excuse list.

Arguing that the defense was late in asking hardly qualifies as seeking true justice for anyone