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Is there a legitimate reason to question the official narrative*?

Is there a legitimate reason to question the official narrative?


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What contention was that? Remember we can all read. :rolleyes:

Dave said the exterior columns were inwardly bowed minutes before collapse. I said there is no video or mechanism to support that contention and asked him to at least provide a mechanism if he couldn't produce a video. He hasn't been able to do that and neither has anyone else here.
 
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Carlitos is right Tony. If AE911 Truth devoted even $10,000/year to hire independent scientists to report on one aspect after another of their claims, and they got support from the scientific community in this way, they might get some traction. That one billboard in Times Square could have financed a number of reports and standard tests etc at a few thousand dollars a pop. Some of us would be happy to work together with you to suggest studies and people to do them so you get buyin here as well.
In the 1980s, when I was publishing articles exposing torture in Central America, I studied carefully the accounts from Jesuit priests who had credibility as they reported on the abuse suffered by their own congregants. The eyewitness accounts were too numerous and universal and carefully collected to ignore. I took those reports, flew to Washington and showed them to Republican congresspeople, two of whom voted against contra aid for the Nicaraguan terrorists after talking with me.
YOU NEED OBJECTIVE SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS from institutions outside your movement. You and AE911 Truth are spending way too much on publicity and almost nothing on analysis. You want an independent investigation, get AE911 Truth to hire a series of independent mini-investigations, one after another. Even I did that for you with the Jim Millette study.
I know, it's none of my business how AE911 spends its money, but I can't take your claims seriously when you don't get them independently verified outside your cocoon of fellow activists.


The forensic work has already been done. The calibration tests gave the fires a very short window of failure opportunity. We don't need any more tests to demonstrate that the official explanation is corroborated only by itself--like the turtle who holds up the world:

Q: What's under the turtle who holds the world up?

A: Another turtle.

Q: What's under that?

A: It's turtles all the way down.

It's a ridiculous theory with no real-world underpinning, no forensic corroboration, and for which their own lab tests disconfirm it.

1100C gas temperatures for 10-20 minutes in any given location simply is not enough energy to cause the things we saw. In order for the NIST theory of collapse to be true, we must presuppose a thermodynamic miracle. There just isn't enough energy for paper, plastic, wood, carpet, kerosine, and all the other hydrocarbon sources combined to do the kinds of damage necessary.

Why not just say the buildings had the "cold explosion flu". The first two got it from the planes, then they spread it to building 7. That's at least a coherent theory. All the high temperature stuff, you could just say "side effects of CBF." Still coherent. At least.

There is an energy gap. That's the real problem with the NIST explanation when you get done poking holes in it like a straw through wet tissue paper: it doesn't address the expressions of energy. The tonnes of pulverized concrete, molten metal, the molten concrete that coated weapons in a basement armory, vaporized lead, the silicate microspheres as well as the iron ones, the NASA data indicating surface temperatures of thousands of degrees C lasting weeks, the "meteorite" artifact, the WPI steel, oh, you know. All those little things NIST investigators considered insignificant to the investigation of one of the most significant events in American history.

This isn't rocket surgery. The data is there.
 
An Approximation of the way this whole "CD" thing is going... (I could do more for this but my head would explode trying to fit this on a letter sized paper that'd still be readable)

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That floating red cloud.... is what CT's argue... totally disconnected from the prima fascia evidence. Listed directly under the orange "controlled Demolition" header.
The blue clouding and arrows, points to one of many aspects that are directly tie-able to the fires without a magical "explosive" based on extensive history and precedent. Again... there's way more than just that "intersection point" that ties into the fire angle but hell... far too much to put on one sheet of paper
 
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Dave said the exterior columns were inwardly bowed minutes before collapse. I said there is no video or mechanism to support that contention and asked him to at least provide a mechanism if he couldn't produce a video. He hasn't been able to do that and neither has anyone else here.
So it's your contention there was no inward bowing before the collapse?

If memory serves there is video from the NYPD helicopters that says there was.
 
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How about providing that mechanism to cause the inward bowing minutes before collapse. If you can't and all you do is keep trying to demean me then it would certainly be you and those who agree with you are the ones with a smell attached to their posts.
Joists expand, buckle, perimeter columns lose bracing over multiple floors, bend and fail at first slowly and then suddenly.

That video is nothing but an artist's rendition. It has no technical basis. It isn't even correct as far as the structure as it doesn't include the bridging trusses.
Heat expanding bridging trusses add to buckling of joists.
 
That video is nothing but an artist's rendition. It has no technical basis. It isn't even correct as far as the structure as it doesn't include the bridging trusses.

Oh I'm sorry, I'd link to the video from the camera I had set up in there, but the tape was melted by thermite and blown up by silent explosives.

And not even 2 posts before this one you are asking for somebody to provide the mechanism for inward bowing and claiming you don't ignore what is posted. *********** LOL! There's your mechanism tony. You just handwaved it away.

You are hopeless.
 
Oh I'm sorry, I'd link to the video from the camera I had set up in there, but the tape was melted by thermite and blown up by silent explosives.

And not even 2 posts before this one you are asking for somebody to provide the mechanism for inward bowing and claiming you don't ignore what is posted. *********** LOL! There's your mechanism tony. You just handwaved it away.

You are hopeless.

Did you miss the part where I explained that the NIST FEA model could not produce the inward bowing with sagging trusses? They needed to apply an artificial lateral load to the exterior columns from outside the building. Your video doesn't show that for some reason.

The reality is the inward bowing did not happen until the core collapsed. It all happened in seconds with the exterior columns buckling due to the eccentricity caused by the inward pull. They were not bowed inward minutes before.
 
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Did you miss the part where I explained that the NIST FEA model could not produce the inward bowing with sagging trusses? They needed to apply an artificial lateral load to the exterior columns from outside the building. Your video doesn't show that for some reason.

We're now back in the dung dimension.
 
Did you miss the part where I explained that the NIST FEA model could not produce the inward bowing with sagging trusses? They needed to apply an artificial lateral load to the exterior columns from outside the building. Your video doesn't show that for some reason.

Ignore the mechanism and whine about NIST. Man you've got the AE911T playbook down pat. They should give you a bonus this month.
 
The reality is the inward bowing did not happen until the core collapsed. It all happened in seconds with the exterior columns buckling due to the eccentricity caused by the inward pull. They were not bowed inward minutes before.

Which you can only claim by ignoring the evidence. The evidence does not support your claims tony. But hey what else is new eh?
 
I know you'd like to make this about me since you're once again getting torn apart here, sorry to tell you but yes.

By posting that video and not understanding what I said about the NIST model not being able to generate the inward bowing with sagging trusses you have answered my question.

You clearly are not a technical person and have no place in the argument as you apparently can't understand it.
 
Where are the bridging trusses and the artificial lateral load NIST had to apply to get the exterior columns to bow inward?

This video has no technical basis and is essentially propaganda.

All that handwaving could have probably put out the fires in that building.
 

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