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UK - Election 2015

It's reported that many housing trusts are appalled by this, as it means they will be forced to sell off (dirt cheap) housing assets that they've been successfully managing for decades
Sort of an odd way of putting that (well, a politically inspired one no doubt). Housing associations are in the business of providing housing "dirt cheap" in the form of rent. It's not as if it would make much sense for them to sell property at market. Also it's not a given that tenants who bought would not successfully manage them for decades either.
 
Sort of an odd way of putting that (well, a politically inspired one no doubt). Housing associations are in the business of providing housing "dirt cheap" in the form of rent. It's not as if it would make much sense for them to sell property at market.

HA rents can be set to upto 80% of market rates, which is hardly as dirt cheap as the sale discounts Cameron wants to bribe people with.

Also it's not a given that tenants who bought would not successfully manage them for decades either.

Or flog them off as soon as possible for a profit, as was the case with so much ex-council housing.
 
This verb I knoweth not. Surely, it can't be good to build all over what's left of our green and pleasant land. That was my point.

Edgar Allan Poe?

You appear to have fallen for the myth of an overcrowded UK that is almost completely built over. Even the most generous figures only give the percentage of the UK that is urbanised as being around 10% (there is a strong argument to be made that in terms of actual built on land it is as low as 2%).
 
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Are you objecting simply because this is a tory policy so it must be all bad?

If HA rents are 80% of market on average (they are not) then they're not doing a great job of providing affordable/social housing. Why wouldn't you support a policy to get a better deal to low income tenants? HAs are non profit but you complain about this as if they are having profits confiscated, or losses imposed. That is not the case as far as I know.

And your last line is tellingly interventionist implying as it does that you or the state knows better than low income tenants do in respect of what is in their own interest. That is--assuming you think it in some way bad that tenants would re-sell.
 
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They're not but they are non-profit and usually part publicly funded.
Do you then agree with Mike G that they produce perverse incentives, distort markets, increase all other new housing costs (thus decreasing supply), and help trap another generation into a culture of dependency on the state? And are you, like him, curious that anyone would see this as positive?
 
You appear to have fallen for the myth of an overcrowded UK that is almost completely built over. Even the most generous figures only give the percentage of the UK that is urbanised as being around 10% (there is a strong argument to be made that in terms of actual built on land it is as low as 2%).
2%?
 

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Are you objecting simply because this is a tory policy so it must be all bad?

If HA rents are 80% of market on average (they are not) then they're not doing a great job of providing affordable/social housing. Why wouldn't you support a policy to get a better deal to low income tenants? ...snip...

Perhaps because he didn't say that?
 
Are you objecting simply because this is a tory policy so it must be all bad?

No, it would strike me as morally wrong, even if it was a Labour or Lib-Dem idea.

If HA rents are 80% of market on average (they are not) then they're not doing a great job of providing affordable/social housing.
I did say, "can be set to upto 80%..."

Why wouldn't you support a policy to get a better deal to low income tenants? HAs are non profit but you complain about this as if they are having profits confiscated, or losses imposed. That is not the case as far as I know.
How does this constitute, "a better deal to low income tenants"? HAs certainly will lose control of existing assets, which will almost certainly have an impact on what they retain. Isolated properties may not be much of an issue, but what about the piecemeal selling off of flats within large developments? This can turn out to be as much a posioned chalice for buyers as it can be for the authority that retains control of parts of the rest of the building, as has been the case with ex-council stock.

And your last line is tellingly interventionist implying as it does that you or the state knows better than low income tenants do in respect of what is in their own interest. That is--assuming you think it in some way bad that tenants would re-sell.

Why should social housing tenants get such a windfall, when private renters don't? If we could get a massive discount on the house we've privately rented for the last five years, we could actually afford to buy it.

I do find it ironic that it could be said that the models for social housing in the UK were actually the visionary developments built by Victorian industrialists for their own workers. Industrialists don't do that sort of thing anymore, and it seems that Cameron and Co. don't want anyone else doing it, either.
 
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How does this constitute, "a better deal to low income tenants"?
You seemed to say the purchase discount ("dirt cheap") they would get from Cameron's bribe is more generous than the rent discount they get now. That would make it a better deal. Perhaps you want it both ways--ripping off HAs and nothing for the tenant.
Why should social housing tenants get such a windfall, when private renters don't? If we could get a massive discount on the house we've privately rented for the last five years, we could actually afford to buy it.
That's certainly not impossible to legislate. Like you I can't see the tories, or Labour doing it. It would of course probably push up rents though.

I tend to favour land value tax, or more sensibly designed property tax, to tackle this.
 
You seemed to say the purchase discount ("dirt cheap") they would get from Cameron's bribe is more generous than the rent discount they get now. That would make it a better deal. Perhaps you want it both ways--ripping off HAs and nothing for the tenant.
Neither way. Tenants to continue not to be ripped off, by being able to rent high quality affordable housing, while HAs are not ripped off by being required to dispose of their stock through forced sales at a discount.
 
You seemed to say the purchase discount ("dirt cheap") they would get from Cameron's bribe is more generous than the rent discount they get now. That would make it a better deal. Perhaps you want it both ways--ripping off HAs and nothing for the tenant.
I was thinking of tenants as a group, not the individuals who might get lucky. The whole measure smacks as much of a desire to undermine the concept of social housing as it does of bribing-for-votes renters within the sector. This strikes me as little different from the carpetbaggers who pushed through the demutualisation of so many building societies previously, by danging sweeteners under the noses of those who had already bennefited from what those institutions were actually set up for in the first place.
 
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Well the conservatives regard ownership as highly superior to rented social housing so it is not incorrect nor a surprise that they would want to convert the latter to the former if they think it is viable.
 

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