Is there a legitimate reason to question the official narrative*?

[Tony Szamboti]

The only time someone tried to fly a jet by remote, it crashed when they tried it without a pilot onboard. The plan doesn't require "accurate enough", it requires pinpoint accuracy. There's no way to remotely assess potential damage to the explosives and wiring, so the bad guys couldn't even be sure if their charges would work.

And, of course, you're "missing" my point about beams with charges on them potentially being knocking out of the building from random impact factors.



Oh, so it wasn't enough to have beacons and explosive charges planted in the Towers, they had to sneak at least one into City Hall too.



Say, were the airline maintenance crews the ones to install this remote control system? I only ask because the plan just keeps getting more and more complicated, which means exponentially more chances for something to go wrong or screw them over.

The cause of what, exactly?

In the giant steel-framed building.

Which would be impossible to do remotely, especially if their transmitters were damaged somehow.


Oh no you don't. This is already a tangent meant to distract us from the idea that the charges might've been knocked out of the building.

We have had remotely flown aircraft since the 1950's.

Rudy Giuliani could have easily had an antenna/beacon installed at City Hall.

If a transmitter on a charge didn't respond it would be considered damaged. That doesn't take much thought to realize.

Cell phones worked in the Twin Towers so it is not a stretch to realize wireless charge detonators could be used.

 

[000063]

We have had remotely flown aircraft since the 1950's.

Jumbo jets didn't exist in the 50s.

Rudy Giuliani could have easily had an antenna/beacon installed at City Hall.

Citation needed.

If a transmitter on a charge didn't respond it would be considered damaged. That doesn't take much thought to realize.

And if it's damaged, that means it's not set off, which means there's a chance that it'll survive the CD and someone will find it. Which was my point.

Cell phones worked in the Twin Towers so it is not a stretch to realize wireless charge detonators could be used.

A detonator isn't a cell phone.

Again, the impacts knocked parts of the Towers clear out of the building. There was no way to predict what sort of damage would occur ahead of time, meaning the bad guys couldn't know what would end up where.

 

[HotRodDeluxe]

I don't think the pre-positioned explosives were triggered by the aircraft impact. What gave you that idea?

My mistake, triggered after the planes crashed into the buildings.

I think the aircraft impacts were causal ruses and the pre-positioned explosives were detonated from nearby using wireless detonators after it was determined where the charges had not been disrupted.

And that makes sense to you? I, for one, cannot understand the need for such an outlandish and risky plan just to invade Afghanistan. The Cole incident could have provided enough reasoning to address the AQ problem, after all Clinton already launched punitive strikes after the Embassy bombings, so a pretext wasn't really necessary.

 

[Ape of Good Hope]

Is it just me or has this thread taken a turn toward the bizarre?

 

[Dave Rogers]

Jeez. Remote controlled planes, impossible flight paths, a conspiracy within the oil industry controlling part of the government, and now Kennedy woo? I see Tony's finally plummeted to the bottom of the rabbit hole. I suppose it was only a matter of time.

Dave

 

[GlennB]

Well, we've been asking him for years to set out his theory. No surprises that it's a steaming pile of crap. And remote controlled planes strike me as virtually mandatory for a CD believer - if those planes had actual hijackers at the controls then you'd need an implausible D) number of floors rigged to cater for the uncertainty of where they'd hit.

Tony isn't further down a rabbit hole, it's just that finally we know which one.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

We have had remotely flown aircraft since the 1950's.

Rudy Giuliani could have easily had an antenna/beacon installed at City Hall.

If a transmitter on a charge didn't respond it would be considered damaged. That doesn't take much thought to realize.

Cell phones worked in the Twin Towers so it is not a stretch to realize wireless charge detonators could be used.

What type of charges and detonators?

Monrue cutter charges,
Simple explosives,
Oxygen cutters?

What type of electric matches?
Standard,
Aerogel?

What type of batteries in the remote mechanisms?

It is not as simple an Idea as you think Tony.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Jeez. Remote controlled planes, impossible flight paths, a conspiracy within the oil industry controlling part of the government, and now Kennedy woo? I see Tony's finally plummeted to the bottom of the rabbit hole. I suppose it was only a matter of time.

Dave

Skunks often shelter in jack rabbit holes,
They will not be found in swamp rabbit holes,
Swamp rabbits are small mean and tricky.

Truthers are like jack rabbit run from their own
shadow and sleep with Skunks.

 

[NoahFence]

If you load tens of floors with computer controlled charge detonators and fly remotely controlled aircraft with homing devices in the building you can be fairly accurate. Whatever little inaccuracy occurs can be taken care of by assessing where the charges are still live above the damage and program the demolition from that point. That is precisely what it looks like happened. The first floor with little to no aircraft impact damage in the North Tower was the 98th floor and the 82nd in the South Tower and those are the floors where the collapses initiated. Isn't that interesting?

The time needed for the above also explains why the buildings weren't dropped as soon as the aircraft impacted them.

While it's occupied?

How is that possible with nobody knowing about it?

LOL

 

[NoahFence]

Is it just me or has this thread taken a turn toward the bizarre?

 

[Sunstealer]

Is it just me or has this thread taken a turn toward the bizarre?

There must be some sort of law that governs conspiracy theorists whereby when needless complexity is challenged and queried the default position is to increase needless complexity.

I think of it as "imagination land" thinking, where any question can be answered by making more **** up. It's childlike in a way, but even young children have a good grasp of reality and what is and isn't real.

Reminds me of my niece and nephew when constructing stories. I'll ask them questions about the characters, settings and plot, sometimes asking a few crazy questions to fire their imaginations. They will sometimes descend into ever more outlandish themes and ideas which is quite fun. However they know when either they or me are being unreal and a bit silly. Truthers never seem to have this grounding.

 

[000063]

Is it just me or has this thread taken a turn toward the bizarre?

It pretty much always does once Truthers make the mistake of actually talking about their theories.

There must be some sort of law that governs conspiracy theorists whereby when needless complexity is challenged and queried the default position is to increase needless complexity.

I think of it as "imagination land" thinking, where any question can be answered by making more **** up. It's childlike in a way, but even young children have a good grasp of reality and what is and isn't real.

Reminds me of my niece and nephew when constructing stories. I'll ask them questions about the characters, settings and plot, sometimes asking a few crazy questions to fire their imaginations. They will sometimes descend into ever more outlandish themes and ideas which is quite fun. However they know when either they or me are being unreal and a bit silly. Truthers never seem to have this grounding.

I've heard someone compare it to this;

"I shot you with my laser!"

"Nuh-uh! I have a laserproof shield!"

"But you didn't say anything about shields before!"

"Well, I have one now."

"Fine, then I use poison gas."

"Got a gas mask."

"It's acid poison gas."

"It's an acid poison gas gas mask."

And so on.

 

[JSanderO]

Cell phones don't work very well in the upper floors of these very tall buildings. I worked on flr 74 of the Empire State Building and we had no cell service.

 

[NoahFence]

Cell phones don't work very well in the upper floors of these very tall buildings. I worked on flr 74 of the Empire State Building and we had no cell service.

When you pull theories out of your nether regions on the fly, subtle things such as facts oftentimes get left behind. In this case, far, far behind.

 

[Animal]

When you pull theories out of your nether regions on the fly, subtle things such as facts oftentimes get left behind. In this case, far, far behind.

This sums up the troof movement

 

[Oystein]

We have had remotely flown aircraft since the 1950's.

Rudy Giuliani could have easily had an antenna/beacon installed at City Hall.

If a transmitter on a charge didn't respond it would be considered damaged. That doesn't take much thought to realize.

Cell phones worked in the Twin Towers so it is not a stretch to realize wireless charge detonators could be used.

Elvis death could have been faked and he could conspire with Hitler (only 112 years old in 2001) and your wife. I mean your wife surely can push a red trigger, can she not?? Hitler's nazi scientists pioneered the nanotechnology, Elvis' money bought off the labs, and your wife wired the towers.

It's all possible.

 

[Dave Rogers]

There must be some sort of law that governs conspiracy theorists whereby when needless complexity is challenged and queried the default position is to increase needless complexity.

There is. It's Ryan Mackey's Inflationary Theory of Conspiracy Theories, and you heard it here first.

Dave

 

[pgimeno]

Jeez. Remote controlled planes, impossible flight paths, a conspiracy within the oil industry controlling part of the government, and now Kennedy woo? I see Tony's finally plummeted to the bottom of the rabbit hole. I suppose it was only a matter of time.

What makes you think it's the bottom?

 

[JayUtah]

There is. It's Ryan Mackey's Inflationary Theory of Conspiracy Theories, and you heard it here first.

Dave

Indeed, and I think it's also worth mentioning that the commodity in conspiracism is attention. The conspiracy theorists who are the most successful (as they seem to define success) are those whose theories are the most memorable or shocking in their scope -- thus they get more attention. This means brash and memorable amendments must be constantly made to each particular theorist's version.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

While it's occupied?

How is that possible with nobody knowing about it?

LOL

It doesnt matter anyway since the lack of evidence for CD rules out the need to worry about the ludicrously stupid logistics of rigging the explosives in the first place. Tony should focus on proving the explosives and thermite were actually present first. Only afterwards are methods of implementation relevant. There is ansolutely no need to accept a false premise for aegumentative purposes to show the build on theory as silly, hes been in this game for yeRs, its his burden... he either puts up or shuts up