Michael Brown shooting II

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Skeptic Ginger said:
My objections, read carefully, have been that the false claim Wilson was exonerated is being repeated on the news and in this thread. I didn't say Wilson was found guilty. Tentatively I think he is, but how can we know without a fair trial?

The lie being repeated is the claim he was exonerated when no such thing occurred.
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He was exonerated, and I certainly do not want to live in a country where people are put on trial without any evidence that a crime was even committed.

YMMV
 
WildCat said:
Let's see how honest you are: which came first, cops in riot gear or burning and looting?
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Excluded middle: it was the candle light vigil and makeshift memorial. It escalated from there.

Eta: rather a false dichotomy.
 
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Upchurch said:
Excluded middle: it was the candle light vigil and makeshift memorial.
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That was never the issue. Mumbles claimed the police in riot gear preceded the burning and looting.

But I'll take your attempt to change the subject as an admission that you think he's wrong too.
 
Upchurch said:
You must be remembering a different conversation. Which post are you referring to?
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Oh, I agree with him. And I've posted video, taken on August 9th, of cops showing up with k-9 units and shotguns, in residential neighborhoods - which I will not post again for Wildcat to again ignore. The looting began on the night of the 10th. Therefore, the cops showed up ready for riots before there was any rioting.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
No, because it's an extremely unlikely premise for a number of reasons.

Despite the fact people in this thread have found little nit piks to dismiss the witnesses, I listened to them myself, I looked at the nit piks. I find the witnesses not only to be very credible, but they are consistent with each other and they are consistent with physical evidence and they are consistent with the audio of the shots.

The only reason I can see that the witnesses are being dismissed by people in this forum is their racial bias that black people lie to incriminate the police. There was an endeavor in this discussion to claim because people gathered together that somehow impeaches their testimony. That's a very bigoted conclusion, IMO.
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nit piks?

:jaw-dropp

No way you're serious.

But seriously, remember all those "witnesses" you relied on to condemn Darren Wilson? How does it feel to know that they all (except Dorian) admitted to lying about what they saw? You scoffed at the possibility of such a thing happening.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
No, because it's an extremely unlikely premise for a number of reasons.

Despite the fact people in this thread have found little nit piks to dismiss the witnesses, I listened to them myself, I looked at the nit piks. I find the witnesses not only to be very credible,but they are consistent with each other and they are consistent with physical evidence and they are consistent with the audio of the shots.
The only reason I can see that the witnesses are being dismissed by people in this forum is their racial bias that black people lie to incriminate the police. There was an endeavor in this discussion to claim because people gathered together that somehow impeaches their testimony. That's a very bigoted conclusion, IMO.
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Maybe she has me on Ignore.


The Department of Justice doesn't agree with you.

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ii. Witnesses Consistent with Prior Statements, Physical Evidence, and Other Witnesses Who Inculpate Wilson

There are no witnesses who fall under this category.
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/04/politi...rown-shooting/

Just to be clear you are accusing not only the members of this forum but also, because they came to the same conclusion, one different than yours, the Department of Justice and its head, Attorney General Eric Holder and his boss, President Barack Obama of being bigots? Everybody's a bigot but you. Or maybe, just maybe, you might just be wrong? Maybe not as well read on the case as you think? Read the DOJ report.
 
Upchurch said:
You must be remembering a different conversation. Which post are you referring to?
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Mumbles said:
Oh, I agree with him. And I've posted video, taken on August 9th, of cops showing up with k-9 units and shotguns, in residential neighborhoods - which I will not post again for Wildcat to again ignore. The looting began on the night of the 10th. Therefore, the cops showed up ready for riots before there was any rioting.
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LOL, Upchurch looks like you have to explain to Mumbles he really doesn't mean what he said.

Priceless!
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
So, no answer then?:rolleyes:
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The US legal system doesn't exonerate people except in rare circumstances.

The fact remains there is simply no evidence Wilson committed a crime, let alone put him on trial.

In the USA we try not to put people on trial for political reasons, perhaps you'd rather live in some other country where that is the norm? North Korea perhaps?
 
Axiom_Blade said:
Such as being a white cop?
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Usually in cases of being convicted and imprisoned due to prosecutorial misconduct, the sort of which Upchurch and Skeptic Ginger are demanding in this thread.

Axiom_Blade said:
As long as you ignore the unarmed man he shot to death...yes, no evidence at all.
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That's evidence of a shooting, it's not evidence of a crime. Do you have any evidence a crime occurred?* All the law enforcement agencies which investigated this using real trained investigators and real forensic examination of the evidence (as opposed to reading news stories and watching admitted liars testifying on Oprah) were unable to find any. Perhaps you have information they lack? I bet it's right there under the pile of evidence for Bigfoot and 9/11 conspiracies!

*eta: aside from Michael Brown's crimes of course.

Upchurch said:
Id like to see his evidence before I jump to any conclusions. The information I had was on the 10th.
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This isn't a chicken or the egg question Upchurch, which came first: the looting and burning or the cops in riot gear and military vehicles?
 
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Upchurch said:
Id like to see his evidence before I jump to any conclusions. The information I had was on the 10th.
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For you? Sure. Naturally, people were upset to see someone shot dead in the street, and they didn't much want the cops around. But note the snarling police dogs at the crowd. Cops + snarling dogs + black nonviolent crowd = bad news. We also had tapes of police blasting rubber bullets at single men walking in the street, driving around blasting tear gas in residential neighborhoods, and attacking news reporters.

You can find other images from folks like Antonio French as well, such as mine-resistant vehicles being rolled out before sunset that first night, if you're willing to dig through sites like Storify. And of course, this set things off in a huge way, and led to the die-ins, the massive marches in NYC and DC, and likely helped convinced that deranged man to execute officers Liu and Ramos in NYC - although again, that guy clearly was mentally ill.
 
Mumbles said:
You can find other images from folks like Antonio French as well, such as mine-resistant vehicles being rolled out before sunset that first night, if you're willing to dig through sites like Storify.
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I found this STL Today article that collected French's first day or so of tweets. It does, indeed, include a picture of a military-style vehicle ahead of any rioting or looting, not to mention the dogs and shotguns.

What's your evidence, WildCat? Was there rioting and looting prior to 6:25 PM on August 9?
 
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