Ed clintonemails.com: Who is Eric Hoteham?

[jhunter1163]

The point of this little exercise is that Hillary can't even keep her lies straight!!

And yet, she is up by double digits over the entire Republican field.

Were I a Republican strategist, I would tell the national party to shut up about Benghazi, e-mails, and the IRS because no one cares about them, and start addressing the issues that actually resonate with people, like the economy, tax policy, and immigration. I would also tell the Republicans to stop pandering to the whackjob Tea Party base and start moving towards the center, or else an electoral disaster far worse than the one that befell the Democrats in 2014 is waiting for them in 2016.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpoli...heck-hillary-clinton-those-emails-and-the-law

The Federal Records Act
Addressing the Federal Records Act, NPR's Scott Horsley reported last month on the question of whether Clinton's exclusive reliance on a private email account violated it. Here's some of what he reported:
"A State Department spokeswoman says Hillary Clinton did not break any rules by relying solely on her personal email account. Federal law allows government officials to use personal email so long as relevant documents are preserved for history."
The law was amended in late 2014 to require that personal emails be transferred to government servers within 20 days. But that was after Clinton left office. Watchdog groups conceded that she may not have violated the text of the law, but they argue she violated the spirit of it.
FOIA
Clinton was the filter for what was relevant to work and what was not. Of course, before electronic communication, federal records were routinely filtered by individuals, who sorted their papers before handing over boxes to archivists. And, many federal workers, Capitol Hill staff, etc., use personal email accounts — in addition to their official accounts — and choose what, if anything, is turned over from those.
Nonetheless, Dan Metcalfe, who was the head of the Justice Department's Office of Information and Privacy from 1981 to 2007, blasted Clinton in an op-ed in Politico....But was it "probably ... a violation of law," as Grassley charged?
The Justice Department weighed in, calling it "sheer speculation" that "Clinton withheld any work-related emails from those provided to the Department of State." What's more, Justice wrote, "FOIA creates no obligation for an agency to search for and produce records that it does not possess and control."
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The bottom line is this: No one will likely ever know what was deleted from Clinton's server. Barring one of the 30,000 emails Clinton turned over to the State Department being deemed "classified," it's also unlikely she will ever be found to have violated the letter of the law.

 

[12AX7]

The Gish, they be galloping now.

Indeed.

The HDS is strong with this one.

 

[The Big Dog]

And yet, she is up by double digits over the entire Republican field.

Were I a Republican strategist, I would tell the national party to shut up about Benghazi, e-mails, and the IRS because no one cares about them, and start addressing the issues that actually resonate with people, like the economy, tax policy, and immigration. I would also tell the Republicans to stop pandering to the whackjob Tea Party base and start moving towards the center, or else an electoral disaster far worse than the one that befell the Democrats in 2014 is waiting for them in 2016.

Yeah, she was up double digits on Obama too.

Your claim that no one cares about benghazi and the email scandal is nonsense, and has shaven appreciable points off her poll numbers.

She embarrassed herself at her press conference, and if she does not get better, trey Gowdy is going to hand her her ass at the hearing.

 

[davefoc]

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PS and off topic: What in the Sam Hill is wrong with the quote and edit functions (using Firefox) on this particular board? One minute it works, the next minute it does not. Damn frustrating!

I was curious about that as well. I use Firefox mostly but when the quote function in ISF stops working I use Chrome.

I thought the issue of where the problem lies would be obvious and I did a little investigation and was surprised to find that I couldn't figure out what was going on. It doesn't seem to be anything that ISF is doing wrong although the problem didn't start until ISF took over. Unfortunately I can't remember in detail what I did to investigate the problem and my interest has waned so I don't feel like looking at it again.

 

[davefoc]

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Your claim that no one cares about benghazi and the email scandal is nonsense, and has shaven appreciable points off her poll numbers.

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The vast majority of people that care significantly about Benghazi are probably regular Fox viewers and I think a reasonable guess that the vast majority of them are not going to be Clinton voters.

Both parties and their associated pundits attempt to wreck the reputation and credibility of likely opponents through organized attacks. Perhaps the biggest thing that separates Republicans and Democrats on this is that Republicans are somewhat more successful at it, mostly because of the organized efforts of Fox News to raise the credibility of the Republican attack campaigns by focusing their pundits and to some degree their news shows on the current Republican attack campaigns.

It is true that these attack campaigns can gather some support amongst the centrist voters, so I wouldn't be surprised that the Benghazi attack campaign has won a few more of the centrist voters than it has lost because of the naked hypocrisy that many centrist voters see as the main driver for this fake scandal. But I'm not sure and I would be interested in seeing what the net effect of the Republican Benghazi campaign has been on the opinions of centrist voters.

One thing, that a partisan might consider is how incredibly free of scandals the Obama administration has to have been to make the Republicans go with this nothing scandal as their defining anti-Obama, anti-Clinton scandal. Another thing a partisan might ask himself is how successful an email based anti-Clinton campaign is going to be when there is a reasonable chance that her Republican opponent did something similar with his emails.

 

[The Big Dog]

The vast majority of people that care significantly about Benghazi are probably regular Fox viewers and I think a reasonable guess that the vast majority of them are not going to be Clinton voters.

Both parties and their associated pundits attempt to wreck the reputation and credibility of likely opponents through organized attacks. Perhaps the biggest thing that separates Republicans and Democrats on this is that Republicans are somewhat more successful at it, mostly because of the organized efforts of Fox News to raise the credibility of the Republican attack campaigns by focusing their pundits and to some degree their news shows on the current Republican attack campaigns.

It is true that these attack campaigns can gather some support amongst the centrist voters, so I wouldn't be surprised that the Benghazi attack campaign has won a few more of the centrist voters than it has lost because of the naked hypocrisy that many centrist voters see as the main driver for this fake scandal. But I'm not sure and I would be interested in seeing what the net effect of the Republican Benghazi campaign has been on the opinions of centrist voters.

One thing, that a partisan might consider is how incredibly free of scandals the Obama administration has to have been to make the Republicans go with this nothing scandal as their defining anti-Obama, anti-Clinton scandal. Another thing a partisan might ask himself is how successful an email based anti-Clinton campaign is going to be when there is a reasonable chance that her Republican opponent did something similar with his emails.

Free of scandals? . On the other hand Hillary did turn over four whole emails on the drone campaign. Lol!

I can see how a partisan might think One of the slimiest administrations in a long time was incredibly free of scandals given the pervasive evidence destruction campaign.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Free of scandals? . On the other hand Hillary did turn over four whole emails on the drone campaign. Lol!

I can see how a partisan might think One of the slimiest administrations in a long time was incredibly free of scandals given the pervasive evidence destruction campaign.

If anything, I'd argue little has actually changed. The reason why it sticks out is because many of the most prominent campaign marketing ploys capitalized on George Bush's unpopularity by the end of his term and their failure to come to fruition stands in stark contrast as being bold gestures that simply fell flat. Sell high expectation and fail, and you enhance the failure.

And yet, she is up by double digits over the entire Republican field. Were I a Republican strategist, I would tell the national party to shut up about Benghazi, e-mails, and the IRS because no one cares about them,

All of those are issues. Problem is anything that's true can and too often gets spun to the point of fiction when it comes to politics. I would have fewer problems with the criticisms on Benghazi, the IRS, and this Clinton email-gate thing if they weren't so heavily distorted.

The fact that they get sensationalized to the extreme says more about them than it addresses of the party under scrutiny.

 

[The Big Dog]

If anything, I'd argue little has actually changed. The reason why it sticks out is because many of the most prominent campaign marketing ploys capitalized on George Bush's unpopularity by the end of his term and their failure to come to fruition stands in stark contrast as being bold gestures that simply fell flat. Sell high expectation and fail, and you enhance the failure.


All of those are issues. Problem is anything that's true can and too often gets spun to the point of fiction when it comes to politics. I would have fewer problems with the criticisms on Benghazi, the IRS, and this Clinton email-gate thing if they weren't so heavily distorted.

The fact that they get sensationalized to the extreme says more about them than it addresses of the party under scrutiny.

It isn't distorted, the fact is that Obama and Clinton have refused to come clean, and are actively, intentionally obstructing the various investigations.

Obama intentionally withheld documents, and Clinton flat out destroyed 30,000 documents.

Not sure when the people trying to investigate the administration became the bad guys, but I guess it January of 2009.....

 

[DavidJames]

Not sure when the people trying to investigate the administration became the bad guys, but I guess it January of 2009.....

you may be right but I bet you don't even know why.

Edit since I'm on ignore maybe someone else can show him the irony of his post.

 

[jhunter1163]

I would have fewer problems with the criticisms on Benghazi, the IRS, and this Clinton email-gate thing if they weren't so heavily distorted.

The fact that they get sensationalized to the extreme says more about them than it addresses of the party under scrutiny.

I would, too. The fact remains, though, that the GOP is in serious trouble for 2016, knows it, and therefore is desperately trying to spin anything they can into a "scandal" in order to avoid dealing with their own unpopularity with the electorate and their own deficiencies on policy issues.

 

[The Big Dog]

I would, too. The fact remains, though, that the GOP is in serious trouble for 2016, knows it, and therefore is desperately trying to spin anything they can into a "scandal" in order to avoid dealing with their own unpopularity with the electorate and their own deficiencies on policy issues.

Yeah, they just took congress.....

I do like the claims that the scandals are distorted, tho, with literally zero support.

Clinton destroyed documents. Republican spin!

 

[wareyin]

Yeah, they just took congress.....

I do like the claims that the scandals are distorted, tho, with literally zero support.

Clinton destroyed documents. Republican spin!

Oh, noes, Clinton deleted personal emails! Lets claim that she destroyed documents with, wait for it...
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Literally zero support.
Republican spin, indeed.

 

[jhunter1163]

Yeah, they just took congress.....

I do like the claims that the scandals are distorted, tho, with literally zero support.

Clinton destroyed documents. Republican spin!

I did say 2016, did I not? The GOP is staring at a tornado on the horizon coming their way. They are down double digits in the presidential contest, are defending 24 seats in the Senate against the Democrats' 10, and the Democrats figure to pick up several dozen seats in the House on Hillary's coattails. 2016 looks to be just as ugly, if not uglier, for the GOP as 2014 was for the Democrats.

 

[The Big Dog]

I don't think they have set Hillary's deposition yet.

In the meantime, Hillary's handlers have added email jokes to her act!

I have a new grandchild and a new email address! Hurr Durr!

I have a new grandchild and the same old sneering contempt for governmental transparacy and the American public!

I hope her campaign gets a bulk rate on the shredder contract.

 

[plague311]

I don't think they have set Hillary's deposition yet.

In the meantime, Hillary's handlers have added email jokes to her act!

I have a new grandchild and a new email address! Hurr Durr!

I have a new grandchild and the same old sneering contempt for governmental transparacy and the American public!

I hope her campaign gets a bulk rate on the shredder contract.

Me too! Anything to save some cash. I love it when she thinks fiscally conservatively.

 

[The Big Dog]

Hillary Clinton's Cowboy Server A Foreign Spy Magnet

Intel Experts: Hillary Clinton’s Cowboy/Homebrew Server ‘A Counterintelligence Disaster of Truly Epic Proportions’

I assume that we can all agree that the FBI should seize the server and conduct a forensic analysis to determine the extent of foreign penetration. That analysis would be part of what is called a damage assessment, which is routine after any suspected security breach.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Intel Experts: Hillary Clinton’s Cowboy/Homebrew Server ‘A Counterintelligence Disaster of Truly Epic Proportions’

That's quite a click-bait article.

And she registered her domain name, clintonmail.com, through Network Solutions.

This is relevant, why ?

"By using her own private server with email — which we now know was wholly unencrypted for the first three months of Hillary Clinton's tenure as secretary of state — she left this easily interceptable by any decent 21st century SIGINT service," said John Schindler, a former National Security Agency counterintelligence officer.

Actually, we don't know this at all, as previously discussed.

The name Clinton right on the email handle meant this was not a difficult find," Schindler said.

Unless, of course, you work on the benghazi commission ... then you never even knew she was using her own email ...

"In all, this is a counterintelligence disaster of truly epic proportions, not to mention that, since Clinton admitted she did not use higher-classification email systems at all"

Because she said she didn't send classified information over email. And no evidence has been presented that she did.

She may have deleted 30,000 e-mails before turning her files over to the State Department, but that doesn't mean that the Russians and the Chinese don't have them," said Michelle Van Cleave, former U.S. National Counterintelligence Executive.

Well, maybe Trey Gowdy should ask them for a copy. Or the NSA.

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I assume that we can all agree that the FBI should seize the server and conduct a forensic analysis to determine the extent of foreign penetration. That analysis would be part of what is called a damage assessment, which is routine after any suspected security breach.

There's no evidence of any "foreign penetration".

Of course, on the other hand, if she had used the state dept network ...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/04/07/cnn-reports-white-house-hacked/25432021/

Citing investigators not identified by name, the news network reported that unidentified Russia-based hackers first accessed State Department networks and used that to gain access to the White House systems. No classified information was accessed, the White House told CNN.

 

[plague311]

Intel Experts: Hillary Clinton’s Cowboy/Homebrew Server ‘A Counterintelligence Disaster of Truly Epic Proportions’

I assume that we can all agree that the FBI should seize the server and conduct a forensic analysis to determine the extent of foreign penetration. That analysis would be part of what is called a damage assessment, which is routine after any suspected security breach.

You assume wrong, I disagree that the FBI should take **** and the article you posted was mostly BS. The only reason they "Suspect a security breach" is because they want their to be one. As stated before, none of her emails have been leaked, the government system has been breached multiple times in the last year alone, and there is no reason to even think her server is compromised. Sorry, they'll have to do better than that. Maybe if they stamp their little feet harder, or whine a bit louder, or call Hillary a doo-doo head, it might work to their favor.

 

[The Big Dog]

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Unless, of course, you work on the benghazi commission ... then you never even knew she was using her own email ... [/I]

This is such a spectacularly cynical argument, because it amounts to: The AP, Gawker, various Congressional Committees and just about every single person who issued a FOIA request to the State Department from 2009 until March of 2015 screwed up in believing representations from the State Department and Hillary Clinton that they had reviewed and produced all documents responsive to the requests and subpoenas.

Hey, they screwed up, they trusted Hillary Clinton!