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Miracle of the Shroud II: The Second Coming

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Jabba said:
Hans,

- All I'm really saying now is that there is some reason to doubt d'Arcis' claim -- and, that needs to be taken into account when we're adding up the evidence.
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Adding up all the evidence seems pretty reasonable.

Let's add up all the evidence for the tablecloth's authenticity, shall we?


For your convenience, I've prepared a list of what we have so far:



1.0.


1.0.1


1.0.2.


7.62.


3.0.


3.0.1.


3.0.d.


3.0.4.


. . .​


178.3.6.4.5.2.7.8.2.9.1.8.4.0.1.
​


I may have missed a few points. Please feel free to add anything which you feel I've missed



Jabba said:
- I would like to go on and try to figure out just how much doubt his claim warrants -- but, since everyone here thinks that there is no reasonable doubt as to the carbon dating, and has generally agreed that such being the case, we didn't need to look any further at reasons to think that the shroud might be authentic, I had vowed to gather up whatever "direct" evidence I could that the dating was flawed.
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Please, take your time. The one good thing about dead horses is that they only need a whack or two every few weeks to maintain the charade that something is being done.



Jabba said:
- Perhaps someday, I'll get back to the other sub-issues. I'd like to.

--- Jabba
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Heat death.
 
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Akhenaten said:
Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!​

There's more, of course, but I got pinged last time I quoted it.

:)
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Ode to pointless behavior

A thing
cannot be
delivered
enough times:
this is the
rule of dogs
for whom there
are no fool’s
errands. To
loop out and
come back is
good all alone.
It’s gravy to
carry a ball
or a bone.
 
Akhenaten said:
Adding up all the evidence seems pretty reasonable.

Let's add up all the evidence for the tablecloth's authenticity, shall we?


For your convenience, I've prepared a list of what we have so far:



1.0.


1.0.1


1.0.2.


7.62.


3.0.


3.0.1.


3.0.d.


3.0.4.


. . .​


178.3.6.4.5.2.7.8.2.9.1.8.4.0.1.
​


I may have missed a few points. Please feel free to add anything which you feel I've missed
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Stoppit. I'm going to break a rib.
 
Akhenaten said:
Adding up all the evidence seems pretty reasonable.

Let's add up all the evidence for the tablecloth's authenticity, shall we?


For your convenience, I've prepared a list of what we have so far:



1.0.


1.0.1


1.0.2.


7.62.


3.0.


3.0.1.


3.0.d.


3.0.4.


. . .​


178.3.6.4.5.2.7.8.2.9.1.8.4.0.1.
​


I may have missed a few points. Please feel free to add anything which you feel I've missed






Please, take your time. The one good thing about dead horses is that they only need a whack or two every few weeks to maintain the charade that something is being done.






Heat death.
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:D:D:D:D:D
 
Jabba said:
Hans,

- All I'm really saying now is that there is some reason to doubt d'Arcis' claim -- and, that needs to be taken into account when we're adding up the evidence.
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No piece of testimony, especially by someone who isn't available for cross-examination, is totally incontrovertible. However, in this case, the testimony is confirmed by the C14 tests, plus several other indications, and thus the evidence against autenticy is overwhelming.

So, pending entirely new evidence to the contrary, the case can be closed.


Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
No piece of testimony, especially by someone who isn't available for cross-examination, is totally incontrovertible. However, in this case, the testimony is confirmed by the C14 tests, plus several other indications, and thus the evidence against autenticy is overwhelming.

So, pending entirely new evidence to the contrary, the case can be closed.


Hans
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"New evidence" meaning evidence supporting a 2,000 year old date, NOT evidence alleging to suborn the medieval date.
 
Yeah, sorry. That wasn't aimed at you but at Jabba, though I know it's pointless. You, at least, will read, understand, and respond.
 
Oh, yes. He has stated so more than once yet somehow cannot make the leap to recognizing that he is therefore hopelessly biased in his attempts to evaluate evidence.

Most here do not post for Jabba's benefit but for the benefit of themselves, each other, and any lurkers.
 
Belz... said:
You guys do realise that Jabba's "reason to doubt" is "I want to believe that the shroud is real", right ?
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Sure, and I'm fine with that. After all, the odds against that are no worse than most other religious beliefs, but then why all the arguing?

Why not just say, "I believe it is real!" and leave it at that?

Hans
 
Garrette said:
Oh, yes. He has stated so more than once yet somehow cannot make the leap to recognizing that he is therefore hopelessly biased in his attempts to evaluate evidence.

Most here do not post for Jabba's benefit but for the benefit of themselves, each other, and any lurkers.
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I'm sure by now everyone involved has gotten the message. Except Jabba, and you're not convincing him.
 
Oh, I never claimed to be convincing Jabba, even long long ago in the far away time when he appeared cute and convinceable.
 
Jabba said:
- If this was in a court of American law (I know even less about British law), Scavone's testimony should raise significant doubt amongst the jury as to the veracity of d'Arci's testimony.
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We have discussed the "court of law" nonsense. Your case would be dismissed, you would be on trial for purgery and contempt of court, and everyone involved in the kitchen test of the shroud's age (laneline, was it?) would be in jail for fraud. Among other things.

Science IS NOT A COURTROOM. Period. You don't need to convince twelve random folks via rhetorical trickery here--you need to convince experts, by using data. This is a very different game, and you should be very greatful for that.
 
Akhenaten said:
I'll dare to speak on behalf of everyone who isn't the LCP.

"Yes, absolutely"
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I have absolutely no idea who might be the current LCP and I don't think Jabba does either. It seems to me that all that will be proffered going forward is an endless stream of fringe resets.
 
As it happens, you're not the first person to have that same thought . . .


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