Ed Right Wing Watch

I Am The Scum said:
Thank you for this valuable contribution to the discussion.
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The discussion being about an excerpt of a speech given at a prayer breakfast by a reality TV star and driven to TEN!!! by Right Wing Watch?

And here is me thinking the discussion could not get more "valuable."

Off to RIGHT WING WATCH! I love right wing watch and love to get my jimmies rustled in the morning.

And may I return the favor? Thank you for your valuable contribution to the discussion.
 
16.5 said:
The discussion being about an excerpt of a speech given at a prayer breakfast by a reality TV star and driven to TEN!!! by Right Wing Watch?

And here is me thinking the discussion could not get more "valuable."

Off to RIGHT WING WATCH! I love right wing watch and love to get my jimmies rustled in the morning.

And may I return the favor? Thank you for your valuable contribution to the discussion.
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Poison the well all you like. You clearly think Right Wing Watch is a more valuable topic, so why not start a thread at it instead of derailing this one?
 
tyr_13 said:
Poison the well all you like. You clearly think Right Wing Watch is a more valuable topic, so why not start a thread at it instead of derailing this one?
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I'm not, Right wing watch is infamous for cherry picking nonsense and presenting it without context for the sole purpose of stirring up the internet outrage machine, and this is another classic example, taken (of course) to the next level by an incendiary headline about "fantasizing" about rape and murder.
 
16.5 said:
I'm not, Right wing watch is infamous for cherry picking nonsense and presenting it without context for the sole purpose of stirring up the internet outrage machine, and this is another classic example, taken (of course) to the next level by an incendiary headline about "fantasizing" about rape and murder.
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How is this cherry picked? Did he not say that?

I'm sorry, you'll actually have to support your claim. You can't just say 'Right Wing Watch!' and expect anyone to just dismiss the report. I saw this on Facebook linking to The Raw Story, and the Right Wing Watch cites the source directly. You can listen to the speech on SoundCloud.

Thus far your objection is spurious.
 
tyr_13 said:
How is this cherry picked? Did he not say that?

I'm sorry, you'll actually have to support your claim. You can't just say 'Right Wing Watch!' and expect anyone to just dismiss the report. I saw this on Facebook linking to The Raw Story, and the Right Wing Watch cites the source directly. You can listen to the speech on SoundCloud.

Thus far your objection is spurious.
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Did you not listen to the exerpt on RIGHT WING WATCH? It picks up in the middle of the speech and cuts off rights after.

Cherry picking at its finest.

C'mon man, I should not have to slow walk you through basic stuff like this.
 
Cherry picking refers to taking quotes out of context to make it seem that a person is delivering a message that the person wasn't. Within context, Phil's quote still has the same message.

I shouldn't have to walk you through basic stuff like this.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Cherry picking refers to taking quotes out of context to make it seem that a person is delivering a message that the person wasn't. Within context, Phil's quote still has the same message.

I shouldn't have to walk you through basic stuff like this.
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But they took out the context, and with the context the hysteria about "fantasizing" is proven to be pure bollocks, which is par for the course.

Cool attempt to use my words against me, tho. That does not at all look petty.:rolleyes:
 
16.5 said:
Did you not listen to the exerpt on RIGHT WING WATCH? It picks up in the middle of the speech and cuts off rights after.

Cherry picking at its finest.

C'mon man, I should not have to slow walk you through basic stuff like this.
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Walk me though the basic stuff?

You're poisoning the well and accusing them of cherry picking without supporting it. You have to show this isn't what he said, or that the cut off changes the meaning. You can't simply make the accusation and have it taken seriously.

And no, I listened to it on TruNews, the Christian conservative program that originally aired it.

EDIT: If you actually care, here is the link.
 
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16.5 said:
But they took out the context, and with the context the hysteria about "fantasizing" is proven to be pure bollocks, which is par for the course.

Cool attempt to use my words against me, tho. That does not at all look petty.:rolleyes:
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His changing of person during it certainly makes it sound like a fantasy. So far possible sensationalism is your most supported criticism.
 
tyr_13 said:
Walk me though the basic stuff?

You're poisoning the well and accusing them of cherry picking without supporting it. You have to show this isn't what he said, or that the cut off changes the meaning. You can't simply make the accusation and have it taken seriously.

And no, I listened to it on TruNews, the Christian conservative program that originally aired it.
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Well I read it on RIGHT WING WATCH and they were CLEARLY cherry picking an excerpt.

In context it is utterly clear that he was not "fantasizing" about anything but simply using it as a hypothetical about the fundamental nature of good v. evil.

Quite powerful in fact, makes me want to buy a duck call.
 
16.5 said:
Well I read it on RIGHT WING WATCH and they were CLEARLY cherry picking an excerpt.

In context it is utterly clear that he was not "fantasizing" about anything but simply using it as a hypothetical about the fundamental nature of good v. evil.

Quite powerful in fact, makes me want to buy a duck call.
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Cherry picking involves removing something from context, so that it's original intent is lost.
What was lost about the intent of this statement?
 
16.5 said:
Well I read it on RIGHT WING WATCH and they were CLEARLY cherry picking an excerpt.

In context it is utterly clear that he was not "fantasizing" about anything but simply using it as a hypothetical about the fundamental nature of good v. evil.

Quite powerful in fact, makes me want to buy a duck call.
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Explain his point then that is 'quite powerful'.

My takeaway is that he is a crass, vile man only kept in check by his belief in afterlife punishment, and only comforted by afterlife retribution for transgressions against him.
 
16.5 said:
The discussion being about an excerpt of a speech given at a prayer breakfast by a reality TV star and driven to TEN!!! by Right Wing Watch?

And here is me thinking the discussion could not get more "valuable."

Off to RIGHT WING WATCH! I love right wing watch and love to get my jimmies rustled in the morning.

And may I return the favor? Thank you for your valuable contribution to the discussion.
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Damn them for actually reporting what he says, total liberal character assassination expecting him to believe or understand the things that come out of his mouth.
 
16.5 said:
Well I read it on RIGHT WING WATCH and they were CLEARLY cherry picking an excerpt.

In context it is utterly clear that he was not "fantasizing" about anything but simply using it as a hypothetical about the fundamental nature of good v. evil.

Quite powerful in fact, makes me want to buy a duck call.
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How was this misrepresenting his position? Look at an example of cherry picking and the famous "You didn't Build That" talking about things like publicly owned infrastructure benefiting corporations and the like. Then look at the Republican national convention of 2012. Clearly everyone who went to that never used a single publicly built road in their life.
 
tyr_13 said:
Explain his point then that is 'quite powerful'.

My takeaway is that he is a crass, vile man only kept in check by his belief in afterlife punishment, and only comforted by afterlife retribution for transgressions against him.
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Don't forget hugely racist.
 
16.5 said:
I'm not, Right wing watch is infamous for cherry picking nonsense and presenting it without context for the sole purpose of stirring up the internet outrage machine, and this is another classic example, taken (of course) to the next level by an incendiary headline about "fantasizing" about rape and murder.
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Exactly in what context is rape, murder and castration fantasies acceptable?
 
16.5 said:
Did you not listen to the exerpt on RIGHT WING WATCH? It picks up in the middle of the speech and cuts off rights after.

Cherry picking at its finest.

C'mon man, I should not have to slow walk you through basic stuff like this.
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The link in the OP contains the excerpt and another link to Trunews which contains a much longer audio file on his rant. http://www.trunews.com/friday-march-20-2015-phil-robertson/ I transcribed part of it below. It appears to be some sort of sick fantasy.

Just like in this conscience thing. There's no good, there's no evil.

I’ll make a bet with you. Two guys break into an atheist’s home. He has a little atheist wife and two little atheist daughters. Two guys break into his home and tie him up in a chair and gag him.

Then they take his two daughters in front of him and rape both of them and then shoot them, and they take his wife and then decapitate her head off in front of him. And then they can look at him and say, "Isn’t it great that I don’t have to worry about being judged? Isn’t it great that there’s nothing wrong with this? There’s no right or wrong, now, is it dude?’” And then you take a sharp knife and take his manhood and hold it in front of him and say wouldn't it be something if there was something wrong with this?

But you're the one who says there's no god there's no right, there's no wrong. So we're just having fun. We're sick in the head. Have a nice day. If it happened to them they'd probably say something about this just ain't right
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We shouldn't have to walk you though the really basic stuff.

Ranb
 
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