Netanyahu Spoke Before Congress Today

Toontown said:
Indulging in some Jew envy, are you?
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Jew envy? What an expression!
Me too. I often wish my people had been genocided by the nazis, so I, too, could get a little patch of ground in the desert, surrounded by homicidal enemies bent on finishing the job the nazis started.
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You don't need to be genocided for that. Why don't you go somewhere then, find a little patch, or a biggish patch, and usurp the local people's land? Doesn't need to be desert either. Here's Golan, annexed from Syria. You'll find the local folk turning into homicidal enemies pretty quickly. Like these perennial nazis, the native Americans, during the period of European settlement. You know: they're in the Declaration of Independence
... the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
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See? Genocide, just like the Nazis. Had happened earlier in the British Isles too.
The 16th and early 17th century English conquest of Ireland was marked by large scale "Plantations"/colonisation, notably in Ulster and Munster. These were mass dispossessions of Irish landowners who had rebelled against the crown, and sometimes their workers, and the granting of their land to colonists from England and Scotland. The terms of the Plantation, particularly in Ulster, were very harsh on the native population, who were forbidden from owning or renting land in planted areas and also from working there on land owned by settlers.
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The native Irish went all Nazi over this.
The number of planters killed in the early months of the uprising is the subject of debate ... recent research has suggested that the number is far more modest, in the region of 4,000 or so killed, though many thousands were expelled from their homes. It is estimated that up to 12,000 Protestants may have lost their lives in total, the majority dying of cold or disease after being expelled from their homes in the depths of winter.
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It's amazing how many Nazis you find in lands you take over and occupy.
 
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Tony Stark said:
Why do you have to lie? He was referring to "extreme right wing Zionists".
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The reasoning is: extreme right wing Zionists are Jews. People who disagree with them are opposing Jews. The Nazis opposed Jews ... But you can complete the mangled syllogism yourself.
 
Craig B said:
Jew envy? What an expression! You don't need to be genocided for that. Why don't you go somewhere then, find a little patch, or a biggish patch, and usurp the local people's land? Doesn't need to be desert either. Here's Golan, annexed from Syria. You'll find the local folk turning into homicidal enemies pretty quickly. Like these perennial nazis, the native Americans, during the period of European settlement. You know: they're in the Declaration of Independence See? Genocide, just like the Nazis. Had happened earlier in the British Isles too. The native Irish went all Nazi over this. It's amazing how many Nazis you find in lands you take over and occupy.
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What a disjointed rant. I find it somewhat annoying, actually.

Question time:

Do you have a deeply rooted desire to see those Jews uprooted and out of there?

How much of the hotly coveted land belonged to the 7 Arab countries that went all nazi on the Jews the day after the Jews accepted the UN invitation to form a state?

How many of those Arab countries were Nazi allies in WWII?

How much of Germany were the Jews occupying when the Germans went all nazi on them?
 
Well, what a shocker. Two days after winning the election, Netanyahu flip-flops again on a Palestinian state. I have to wonder what the people who changed their votes because of his original flip-flop less than a week ago are now thinking about their decision. Do they realize they just re-elected someone who's a bigger liar even then most politicians? I'll bet there's a ton of buyer's remorse, and that his next term will be beset with difficulties.
 
Tricky said:
Well, what a shocker. Two days after winning the election, Netanyahu flip-flops again on a Palestinian state. I have to wonder what the people who changed their votes because of his original flip-flop less than a week ago are now thinking about their decision. Do they realize they just re-elected someone who's a bigger liar even then most politicians? I'll bet there's a ton of buyer's remorse, and that his next term will be beset with difficulties.
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His so-called renunciation of a two-state solution was far more nuanced than what you have been led to believe. Also, I doubt anything said or done in the last few days of the campaign had a material effect on voter preferences. Not very many people change their minds because a desperate politician makes some desperate promises at the last minute. The opinion polls were wrong leading up to the election. It's as simple as that. And now Obama's all butthurt, and his supporters are doing everything they can to trash Netanyahu's victory.
 
sunmaster14 said:
His so-called renunciation of a two-state solution was far more nuanced than what you have been led to believe. Also, I doubt anything said or done in the last few days of the campaign had a material effect on voter preferences. Not very many people change their minds because a desperate politician makes some desperate promises at the last minute. The opinion polls were wrong leading up to the election. It's as simple as that. And now Obama's all butthurt, and his supporters are doing everything they can to trash Netanyahu's victory.
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If you don't think it made any difference, then why do you suppose he announced his "nuanced" announcement came only days before the election? And no, of course Obama's not happy with his election, big surprise, but I doubt it will change much.

And does anybody seriously think that use of the term "butthurt" makes them look reasonable?
 
Of course, no one cares that none of the Palestinian parties or leaders will accept a 2 state solution.
 
Craig B said:
I'm not sure that's so. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution#PLO_acceptance_of_two-state_solution
But Netenyahu, the settlers and the US Evangelicals most certainly won't.
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A very poorly cited and written article. The cites do not support that interpretation, even then the passive 'indicates' concedes that it's not an actual acceptance, and the PLO are not in power. That's not even mentioned in the viability section that the government in power is Hamas, and that they reject this idea in favor of reclaiming all their previous land ('drive them into the sea' style). No, a ten year hiatus on attacking Israel directly, and doing nothing to stop other Palestinians from attacking, is not a serious two-state solution proposal. One would think this would be a vitally important part of the analysis! They don't even cite Fatah's opinion on the matter. The only mention of either Hamas or Fatah is this.

Following the conflict that erupted between the two main Palestinian parties, Fatah and Hamas, Hamas took control of the Gaza Strip, splintering the Palestinian Authority into two polities, each claiming to be the true representatives of the Palestinian people. Fatah controlled the Palestinian National Authority in the West Bank and Hamas Governed in Gaza.
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While WildCat was mistaken as a few leaders have shown support for it, and I'm not excusing Netenyahu, his party, or the settlers, but that article is missing key facts in an obviously biased way.

There is support on both sides for a two-state solution, but the devil's in the details and he's not coming out until a lot more have died. :(
 
mgidm86 said:
Here is a link to it:

http://thehill.com/video/in-the-news/234429-live-netanyahu-speaks-to-congress

I thought it was a good speech. I'll have to comment more when I have time, but I liked what he had to say overall.

I'm interested in what fellow ISFers thought of it.
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About 1/4 of the speech was applause from Congress. He would say a few sentences and then they would applaud.

It was just a rehash of claims about the need to crack down on Iran because it is dangerous, the inference being that Obama's peace deal with Iran is bad.

The speech itself of course was not impressive at all. What was impressive was how much Congress clapped. It was like they were listening to George Washington and Abraham Lincoln at once.

It's actually extremely odd since they were clapping against their president's own policy and he is a democratic leader. Nancy Pelosi can be seen clapping crying during the speech and she said in an interview was because he was insulting the president.

Now can you explain why she would be clapping and crying at the same time and applause would build to 1/4 of the speech unless:
(A) Americans and the congress are totally on board with Netanyahu's politics about Iran, or
(B) There is some political influencing going on by interest groups?
 
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rakovsky said:
About 1/4 of the speech was applause from Congress. He would say a few sentences and then they would applaud.

It was just a rehash of claims about the need to crack down on Iran because it is dangerous, the inference being that Obama's peace deal with Iran is bad.
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It is, as is most of his foreign policy.
The speech itself of course was not impressive at all. What was impressive was how much Congress clapped. It was like they were listening to George Washington and Abraham Lincoln at once.
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Nothing unusual there. I'm pretty sure they weren't all clapping.
It's actually extremely odd since they were clapping against their president's own policy and he is a democratic leader. Nancy Pelosi can be seen clapping crying during the speech and she said in an interview was because he was insulting the president.

Now can you explain why she would be clapping and crying at the same time and applause would build to 1/4 of the speech unless:
(A) Americans and the congress are totally on board with Netanyahu's politics about Iran, or
(B) There is some political influencing going on by interest groups?
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(C) Pelosi is a moron so I can't explain her at all. The rest who are clapping either don't like Obama, genuinely think his policy is stupid, or both.

I'm only surprised that anyone would be surprised by anything that happened during that speech. Tell you the truth I don't remember much about it anymore.
 
Mgidm:

Are you aware that Rand Paul was criticized because he was not clapping fast enough?

Rand Paul Responds to Criticism of His ‘Slow-Clap’ at Netanyahu’s Speech
http://www.mrctv.org/blog/rand-paul-responds-criticism-his-slow-clapping-netanyahu-s-speech

Why would half the room - democrats - applaud a speech that contradicts their democratic president's foreign policy? Nancy Pelosi might be a moron, but she can't be stupid when it comes to ascertaining political power and interests or she wouldn't be the Democrats' congressional leader.

To say it was just well received would be to commit the callous crime of understatement. In Netanyahu’s pep rally, rather speech before the US legislative branch, Congress interrupted to applaud 39 times. 23 of these were standing ovations. 10:55 of the 40:30 of Netanyahu’s exhortation consisted of applause. In other words, 27% was Congress applauding and doing standing ovations.

Applause Statistics for Netanyahu’s Pep Rally Speech before Congress


BEGINNING:
0:16-0:22 applause
0:50-1:10 applause, standing ovation
1:17-1:40 applause, standing ovation
1:48-1:54 applause
2:15-2:22 applause
2:27-2:42 applause, standing ovation
3:24-3:33 applause
3:58-4:16 applause, standing ovation
4:31-4:38 applause
4:48-5:04 applause, standing ovation
6:19-6:26 applause

Notes

In the first 6:26 of the Netanyahu speech, Congress interrupted to applaud 11 times. 5 of these were standing ovations.
2:14 of the first 6:26 of Netanyahu’s speech consisted of applause. In other words, 35% was Congress applauding and doing standing ovations.

MIDDLE:
11:26-11:33 applause
11:39-12:00 applause, standing ovation
14:14-14:32 applause, standing ovation
15:05-15:25 applause, standing ovation

END:
25:37-25:56 applause, standing ovation
26:07-26:25 applause, standing ovation
26:28-26:42 applause, standing ovation
26:47-27:13 applause, standing ovation
27:27-27:33 applause
27:43-27:49 applause
27:54-28:12 applause, standing ovation
28:52-28:59 applause
29:13-29:19 applause
29:34-29:41 applause
30:11-30:31 applause, standing ovation
30:44-31:03 applause, standing ovation
31:16-31:22 applause
31:33-31:38 applause
32:54-33:13 applause, standing ovation
33:33-34:19 applause, standing ovation
34:26-34:46 applause, standing ovation
35:00-35:06 applause
35:27-35:54 applause, standing ovation
36:14-36:32 applause, standing ovation
36:44-36:59 applause, standing ovation
37:03-37:28 applause, standing ovation
37:46-37:51 applause
38:53-40:30 applause, standing ovation

- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/netanyahus-consisted-standing#sthash.IjNx0Ch3.dpuf
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NY MAG Caption: "Even Netanyahu couldn't help but give his great speech a standing ovation."

Netanyahu is either George Washington and Abe Lincoln rolled together to give the State of the Union, or there is some other reason why half the democrats would furiously applaud his speech against their president's peacemaking policy, a policy they agree with.
 
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