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Pixie of key fantasizes about science - item 72

"One of the attempts to reconcile the two theories is the idea of "space-time foam." According to this concept, on a microscopic scale space is not continuous, and instead it has a foam-like structure. The size of these foam elements is so tiny that it is difficult to imagine and is at present impossible to measure directly. However light particles that are traveling within this foam will be affected by the foamy structure, and this will cause them to propagate at slightly different speeds depending on their energy.

Yet this experiment shows otherwise. The fact that all the photons with different energies arrived with no time delay relative to each other indicates that such a foamy structure, if it exists at all, has a much smaller size than previously expected."


Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-03-einstein-scientists-spacetime-foam.html#jCp
Back to the usual EternalGibberish, EternalFantasy and EternalIgnorance from Pixie of key that we have seen since 2008 :eek:!
  1. The article is not about expanding spacetime!
  2. The article is not about curving spacetime!
 
Lets try explain what kind of system is metric coordinate system = expanding space system!

What happening for metric goordinate system / expanding space system when it expanding?

Expanding nucleus of atoms system density changing "in" space which already exist!it is very easy explain how and why it is happening!

It happening because there is movement "in" space which already exist!

well, you should can explain what kind of system is yours magic metric coordinate system = expanding space system, but you cant!

EternalLove


Well, expanding quarks can recycling expanding movement / energy with each other because there is movement "in" space which already exist and thats why expanding quarks can changing!

How expanding space can expanding and changing?

What is the reason why expanding space expanding?

EternalLove


Well, quarks can expanding because quarks movement / energy is later not so density movement / energy what is now!

How expanding space can expanding?

EternalLove
 
Lets try explain what kind of system is metric coordinate system = expanding space system!

Try reading the explanations already given numerous times. Again do you think repeating your request for explanation will change the explanations you have already been provided but evidently deliberately refuse to read or acknowledge?
What happening for metric goordinate system / expanding space system when it expanding?

Again try reading the detailed explanations of what happens that have already been given multiple times. Do you actually imagine that if you simply ignore the explanations you have already been provided that others will do likewise?
Expanding nucleus of atoms system density changing "in" space which already exist!it is very easy explain how and why it is happening!
First you would have to show that “Expanding nucleus of atoms system density changing” is acctualy happening before you presume to explain it.
It happening because there is movement "in" space which already exist!
That’s not an explanation it simply an assertion that “there is movement "in" space which already exist”.
well, you should can explain what kind of system is yours magic metric coordinate system = expanding space system, but you cant!
Your apparently deliberate refusal to address or acknowledge the explanations you have already been given multiple times is a failing of no one but you. By all means, please, continue to demonstrate that your ignorance of them is deliberate if that is what you want. However, you might actually get somewhere if you just put half as much repetitive effort into reading them.

Come on Pixie of key put some of that “recycling expanding movement / energy” into a pushing force pushing you to at least try to read and address the explanations you have already been given.

Again your own notions require an expanding metric (though on far less than cosmological scale) and would also result in a smaller and denser universe in the past than in the present or future. So if you had any interest in your notions at all these concepts should not only be of interest to you but a requirement to accurately understand what you are proposing and its ramifications.

EternalLove


Well, expanding quarks can recycling expanding movement / energy with each other because there is movement "in" space which already exist and thats why expanding quarks can changing!

How expanding space can expanding and changing?

What is the reason why expanding space expanding?

EternalLove


Well, quarks can expanding because quarks movement / energy is later not so density movement / energy what is now!

How expanding space can expanding?

EternalLove

EternalSeeAbove
 
Lets try explain what kind of system is metric coordinate system = expanding space system!
That is an EternalLie, Pixie of key, because this has been explained to you several times. Unless this is the EternalDelusion that the gibberish that follows is an explanation.

Here is the explanation one more time:
Define a measure of distance between points. This is called the metric of a space which can include time (a spacetime). The metric of spacetime used in General Relativity depends on the solution of the equations. The Friedmann–Lemaître–Robertson–Walker metric is used to describe a homogeneous, isotropic expanding or contracting universe.

If the metric increases with time then the distance between points increases with time.

If the distance between point increases with time then in English this is called expansion - spacetime is expanding :eek:!
In Finnish: Jos etäisyys pisteen kasvaa ajan niin tätä kutsutaan laajennus - spacetime laajenee
And Wikipedia: Kaikkeuden metrinen laajeneminen
Kaikkeuden metrinen laajeneminen on etäisyys kahden kaukaisiin osiin maailmankaikkeuden aikaavälillä kasvaa. Se on luontainen laajennus, jossa tilan itse mittakaavan muutokset. Tämä eroaa muita esimerkkejä laajennukset ja räjähdykset tältä kuin Huomautukset voi selvittää, on omaisuutta kokonaan maailmankaikkeuden kuin ilmiö, joka sisälsi ja havaittu ulkopuolelta.

Metrinen laajentuminen on keskeinen osa alkuräjähdyksen kosmologia, on mallintaa matemaattisesti FLRW-metriikan valintaanja on yleinen ominaisuus maailmankaikkeuden elämme. Malli on kuitenkin voimassa vain suuressa mittakaavassa (noin asteikon galaksijoukkoja ja edellä). Pienempi mittakaavassa on tullut sitoo vaikutuksen painovoiman vetovoima ja tällaisia asioita ei laajenna metrinen laajentuminen vauhdilla Universe ikääntyessä. Sinänsä vähentynyt toisistaan seurauksena metrinen laajentuminen vain galaksit ovat erotettu cosmologically asteikon suurempi kuin pituus asteikot liittyvät gravitaatio romahtaa ovat mahdollisia Kaikkeuden ikä antaa väliä tiheys ja keskimääräinen kasvuvauhtimme.

Not that I expect a Finnish crank to understand science written in Finnish :p!
 
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When I ask what the expanding to space itself takes place when it expands,

I get the answer to that superclusters are not moving away from another, but still, later superclusters are far away from the one from another, and it is not the answer to my question.

This is because i dont ask what happening for superclusters!

i asking what happening for expanding space when is expanding!

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Lets Asked what the expanding to densify happens when they expand.


Expand-a condensation of the expanding movement / energy is dissipated out of the already existing space


It is based on the circulation that takes place in the existing space.

which is that the expanding system consists of a self-expanding small crystallizations which move relative to each other.

expanding to densify push each other away from the one from another in the same proportion as the expansion.

Therefore, they project / moving away one from another in the existing space.


This is the correct answer that explains what the expanding itself to densify happens when expanding.

so what are expanding to space itself takes place when it expands?

so I have not received a response, and there is no answer!
 
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Same with finnish


Kun kysyn mitä laajenevalle avaruudelle itselleen tapahtuu silloin kun se laajenee,saan vastaukseksi sen että superjoukot loittonevat toisistansa, liikkumatta toisistansa pois päin ja se ei ole vastaus kysymykseeni

Kysytäämpä mitä laajeneville tihentymille tapshtuu silloin kun ne lasjenevat.

Laajenevissa tihentymissä oleva laajeneva liike / energia hajaantuu ulos päin jo olemassa olevaan avaruuteen.

Se perustuu liikkeeseen joka tapahtuu jo olemassa olevassa avaruudessa.eli siihen että laajeneva systeemi koostuu itse pienistä laajenevista tihentymistä jotka liikkuvat suhteessa toisiinsa.

Laajenevat tihentymät työntävät toisiansa pois päin toisistansa samassa suhteessa kuin laajenevat.

Siksi ne työntyvät / liikkuvat toisistansa pois jo olemassa olevassa avaruudessa.

Tämä on oikea vastaus joka selittää mitä laajeneville tihentymille itselleen tapahtuu silloin kun laajenevat.joten mitä laajenevalle avaruudelle itselleen tapahtuu silloin kun se laajenee?

tähän en ole saanut vastausta, eikä siihen ole olemassa vastausta!
 
When I ask what the expanding to space itself takes place when it expands,

I get the answer to that superclusters are moving away from another, moving away from the one from another, and it is not the answer to my question

Yes, it is an answer to your question, locations in space get further apart.


Asked what the expanding to densify happens when they expand.

If by "densify" you mean density of a volume encompassing said super clusters, with the boundaries of those combined super clusters as the limiting factor, the density is reduced. Same mass but greater volume. However, that doesn't mean that the density of each individual super cluster or the matter within it reduces, as they are at least gravitationally bound. Once again this point is explicit in both the explanations cited and my repeated admonishments to you.

Now if the rate of metric expansion continues to increase or increases faster then you end up with a big rip...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rip

Still even that doesn't assert that quarks and other particles are currently expanding as you assert. Just that they might be ripped apart from each other. As well as that the size of the observable universe would be srinking.


Expand-a condensation of the expanding movement / energy is dissipated out of the already existing space

It is based on the circulation that takes place in the existing space.

Ah, so in your notion space is "existing" and thus must be "real". Is space being real now your answer to the question I asked you before?

Do you consider space to be real?

Is space “movement/ energy, also expanding matter”?


which is that the expanding system consists of a self-expanding small crystallizations which move relative to each other.

Uhm, you do understand that not all structures, or even matter are crystalline? A crystalline structure would hardly be a defining factor if, well, everything had it.

expanding to densify push each other away from the one from another in the same proportion as the expansion.


Therefore, they project / moving away one from another in the existing space.

And once again, why your notion requires an expanding metric itself (particularly just at non-cosmological scales)

This is the correct answer that explains what the expanding itself to densify happens when expanding.

No, it doesn't because we don't find gravitationally or electromagnetically bound matter getting further apart on our everyday scale. A point you seem rather recalcitrant to understand or even acknowledge. As you have asserted yourself, if that were the case it would be easily detectable.


so what are expanding to space itself takes place when it expands?

so I have not received a response, and there is no answer!

Again you have received the same response and answer each time you asked. Locations in space get father apart, you have been advised of that multiple times. Again as you have also been advised multiple times, that doesn't mean expanding space expands matter as you assert. Again, as you have asserted, expanding matter would be easily detectable. Unless of course there was a metric expansion on our normal scales, which itself would be easily detectable given our current everyday instrumentality (GPS wouldn't work as accurately as it does over time).


EternalNonsensicalRepetition
 
What happening for expanding space when it expanding?

"Define a measure of distance between points. This is called the metric of a space which can include time (a spacetime). The metric of spacetime used in General Relativity depends on the solution of the equations. The Friedmann–Lemaître–Robertson–Walker metric is used to describe a homogeneous, isotropic expanding or contracting universe."

This is not answer for my question!

I did not ask what happening for superclusters when space expanding!

I asked, what happening for expanding space when it expanding!

lets try to explain that!

What happening for expanding space when it expanding!

What expanding space is and how expanding space itself changing when it expanding!

This is something what you cant explain!

EternalLove


The Man

googletranslation make a huge mistake. Translation did not worked right way!

"I get the answer to that superclusters are moving away from another, moving away from the one from another, and it is not the answer to my question"

And yours answer was funny, because you could not see, i write wrong way.

I post to write that way

"I get the answer to that superclusters are not moving away from another, but still, later superclusters are more far away from the one from another, and it is not the answer to my question."

EternalLove
 
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The Man

googletranslation make a huge mistake. Translation did not worked right way!

"I get the answer to that superclusters are moving away from another, moving away from the one from another, and it is not the answer to my question"

And yours answer was funny, because you could not see, i write wrong way.

I post to write that way

"I get the answer to that superclusters are not moving away from another, but still, later superclusters are more far away from the one from another, and it is not the answer to my question."


If i ask, what happening for superclusters, when space expanding, then you can answer that way

superclusters are not moving away from another, but still, later superclusters are more far away from the one from another and this is because space expanding.

But this is not what i asking!

I asking, what happening for expanding space itself, when it expanding!

Ok?

Now, lets try explain that!

What happening for expanding space when it expanding!

I already know, you cant explain that!

Sorry about that!

EternalMovement



EternalLove
 
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The Man

googletranslation make a huge mistake. Translation did not worked right way!

"I get the answer to that superclusters are moving away from another, moving away from the one from another, and it is not the answer to my question"

No mistake or error in the translation as that is the answer you have been given time and time again. Do you expect the answer to change each time you ask?



And yours answer was funny, because you could not see, i write wrong way.


Nope, I see how you write and understand what you are looking for. Observational evidence just doesn't support it.

I post to write that way

"I get the answer to that superclusters are not moving away from another, but still, later superclusters are more far away from the one from another, and it is not the answer to my question."

No, evidence supports "that superclusters are moving away moving away from another". It just doesn't support that matter is expanding (your notion). That googletranslation might not work so well for you is the reason I have asserted that you read the article linked in your own language, not try to translate posts on some forum.

Also it is not just your notion, claims that matter is constantly expanding have been around on the internet for at least a couple of decades that I recall. Usually it is based on the premise that light has no time in a co-moving reference frame. We had one poster on this forum expressing exactly that.

If i ask, what happening for superclusters, when space expanding, then you can answer that way

That isn't the only answer you have been given, repeatably.

superclusters are not moving away from another, but still, later superclusters are more far away from the one from another and this is because space expanding.

No one here has said that "superclusters are not moving away from another". Agian please read the linked article in your own language.


But this is not what i asking!

I asking, what happening for expanding space itself, when it expanding!

Ok?

And it has been answered multiple times with links you can review in you own language.

Now, lets try explain that!

What happening for expanding space when it expanding!

Again locations in space get further apart.

Again you have received the same response and answer each time you asked. Locations in space get father apart, you have been advised of that multiple times. Again as you have also been advised multiple times, that doesn't mean expanding space expands matter as you assert. Again, as you have asserted, expanding matter would be easily detectable. Unless of course there was a metric expansion on our normal scales, which itself would be easily detectable given our current everyday instrumentality (GPS wouldn't work as accurately as it does over time).


EternalNonsensicalRepetition

Again please read the links provided in your own language. It seems the scales involved and the effects of the bound states of matter escape you. Again, I understand as they are not easy concepts to consider.




I already know, you cant explain that!

Sorry about that!

It's been answered and you've been given links to those answers you own language. Dang straight you should be sorry, but you don't have to be if you don't want to.

Why do you evidently just want to be so sorry, instead of reading and trying to discuss the links provided?

I understand that these can be difficult concepts to wrap ones head around but deliberate ignorance won't help you with that.

EternalMovement



EternalLove



EternalNonsensicalRepetition
 
What happening for expanding space when it expanding?

"Define a measure of distance between points. This is called the metric of a space which can include time (a spacetime). The metric of spacetime used in General Relativity depends on the solution of the equations. The Friedmann–Lemaître–Robertson–Walker metric is used to describe a homogeneous, isotropic expanding or contracting universe."

This is not answer for my question!

I did not ask what happening for superclusters when space expanding!

I asked, what happening for expanding space when it expanding!

lets try to explain that!


The answer you just quoted didn't mention "what happening for superclusters when space expanding!"

Try to explain that!
 
The Man


Originally Posted by Pixie of key View Post

superclusters are not moving away from another, but still, later superclusters are more far away from the one from another and this is because space expanding.

The man

"No one here has said that "superclusters are not moving away from another". Agian please read the linked article in your own language."

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maybe nobody here say superclusters not moving away from another, but real cosmolgy people say that way!

So, now i can see, you dont have any clue, what expanding space is for real science people!


Cosmological Redshift

"Although cosmological redshift at first appears to be a similar effect to the more familiar Doppler shift, there is a distinction. In Doppler Shift, the wavelength of the emitted radiation depends on the motion of the object at the instant the photons are emitted. If the object is travelling towards us, the wavelength is shifted towards the blue end of the spectrum, if the object is travelling away from us, the wavelength is shifted towards the red end. In cosmological redshift, the wavelength at which the radiation is originally emitted is lengthened as it travels through (expanding) space. Cosmological redshift results from the expansion of space itself and not from the motion of an individual body."

http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cosmos/c/cosmological+redshift

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Well, if you finally found out, that superclusters dont moving away from each other and still, later superclusters are more far away from each other because space expanding,

then i hope you try explain what expanding space it is and what happening for expanding space when it expanding!

EternalLove
 
No mistake or error in the translation as that is the answer you have been given time and time again. Do you expect the answer to change each time you ask?






Nope, I see how you write and understand what you are looking for. Observational evidence just doesn't support it.



No, evidence supports "that superclusters are moving away moving away from another". It just doesn't support that matter is expanding (your notion). That googletranslation might not work so well for you is the reason I have asserted that you read the article linked in your own language, not try to translate posts on some forum.

Also it is not just your notion, claims that matter is constantly expanding have been around on the internet for at least a couple of decades that I recall. Usually it is based on the premise that light has no time in a co-moving reference frame. We had one poster on this forum expressing exactly that.



That isn't the only answer you have been given, repeatably.



No one here has said that "superclusters are not moving away from another". Agian please read the linked article in your own language.




And it has been answered multiple times with links you can review in you own language.



Again locations in space get further apart.



Again please read the links provided in your own language. It seems the scales involved and the effects of the bound states of matter escape you. Again, I understand as they are not easy concepts to consider.






It's been answered and you've been given links to those answers you own language. Dang straight you should be sorry, but you don't have to be if you don't want to.

Why do you evidently just want to be so sorry, instead of reading and trying to discuss the links provided?

I understand that these can be difficult concepts to wrap ones head around but deliberate ignorance won't help you with that.





EternalNonsensicalRepetition

"No one here has said that "superclusters are not moving away from another"."

Well, you just dont understund what cosmologys redshifted light mean in big bang theory and still you try prove, there is expanding space!

You just dont have any clue, what cosmologys redshifted light mean in big bang theory and it is very funny thing dude!

EternalRecycling

Cosmological Redshift

"Although cosmological redshift at first appears to be a similar effect to the more familiar Doppler shift, there is a distinction. In Doppler Shift, the wavelength of the emitted radiation depends on the motion of the object at the instant the photons are emitted. If the object is travelling towards us, the wavelength is shifted towards the blue end of the spectrum, if the object is travelling away from us, the wavelength is shifted towards the red end. In cosmological redshift, the wavelength at which the radiation is originally emitted is lengthened as it travels through (expanding) space. Cosmological redshift results from the expansion of space itself and not from the motion of an individual body."

http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cosmos/c/cosmological+redshift

Try first learn what kind of theory you believe!

EternalMovement
 
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1. Doppler redshifted light from star tell, that star is moving "in" space which alredy is here far away from us! Or then we are moving away from that star!

2. Big bang theory people tell us, cosmologys redshifted light is different what Doppler redshifted light!

Big Bang people say, old light is redshifted cosmologys way, because space expanding.

So, superclusters dont move away from us, but still, later superclusters are more far away from us and this is because space expanding.

And now, lets try explain what happening for expanding space itself when it expanding, what happening for yours magic metric coordinate system when is grow, but not outside to place / space which already exist?

This is something what you cant explain!

EternalLove
 
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Why light redshifting cosmologys way when is already moving space which already exist?

This is because something happening for light itself, not because space expanding!

Space is eternal and infinite "room" / place that is nothing at all.

Therefore space does not expand or arch.

The general redshift of light does not prove that expanding space exists.

The bending in the trajectory of light for example when passing the sun does not prove that arching space exists.

So called gravitational redshift of light does not prove that gravitation or arching space exist.

The phenomena in question are a proof of photons expanding and recycling expanding motion/energy among each other and therefore the light generally redshifts during its journey. Therefore the light bends when it passes the sun and therefore the expanding light protruding outward from the dense star gravitationally redshifts so to speak.

New expanding photons interact with old expanding photons that originate from other galaxies of the superbunch/cluster of galaxies. Interacting with new expanding photons the speed of old expanding photons increases and therefore the old light generally redshifts so to speak.

Expanding photons that are originally from billions of galaxies protrude towards the expanding sun. These photons have recycled expanding motion/energy during their journey and the motion/energy protrudes towards the sun in the areas in between the expanding photons and then collides with the expanding photons that are protruding past the sun getting their trajectory to bend towards the expanding sun.

EternalRecycling
 
The Man


Originally Posted by Pixie of key View Post

superclusters are not moving away from another, but still, later superclusters are more far away from the one from another and this is because space expanding.

The man

"No one here has said that "superclusters are not moving away from another". Agian please read the linked article in your own language."

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maybe nobody here say superclusters not moving away from another, but real cosmolgy people say that way!

So, now i can see, you dont have any clue, what expanding space is for real science people!


Cosmological Redshift

"Although cosmological redshift at first appears to be a similar effect to the more familiar Doppler shift, there is a distinction. In Doppler Shift, the wavelength of the emitted radiation depends on the motion of the object at the instant the photons are emitted. If the object is travelling towards us, the wavelength is shifted towards the blue end of the spectrum, if the object is travelling away from us, the wavelength is shifted towards the red end. In cosmological redshift, the wavelength at which the radiation is originally emitted is lengthened as it travels through (expanding) space. Cosmological redshift results from the expansion of space itself and not from the motion of an individual body."

http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cosmos/c/cosmological+redshift

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Well, if you finally found out, that superclusters dont moving away from each other and still, later superclusters are more far away from each other because space expanding,

then i hope you try explain what expanding space it is and what happening for expanding space when it expanding!

EternalLove

The quote you cited does not assert "that superclusters dont moving away from each other". That cosmological redshift is diffent from Doppler shift also doesn't mean "that superclusters dont moving away from each other". So evidently you are the only one saying "...that superclusters dont moving away from each other and still, later superclusters are more far away from each..." which is simply and directly self-contradictory. Again how can you expect anyone to agree with you when even you can't agree with you?


EternalSelf-contradiction


"No one here has said that "superclusters are not moving away from another"."

Well, you just dont understund what cosmologys redshifted light mean in big bang theory and still you try prove, there is expanding space!

You just dont have any clue, what cosmologys redshifted light mean in big bang theory and it is very funny thing dude!

EternalRecycling

Cosmological Redshift

"Although cosmological redshift at first appears to be a similar effect to the more familiar Doppler shift, there is a distinction. In Doppler Shift, the wavelength of the emitted radiation depends on the motion of the object at the instant the photons are emitted. If the object is travelling towards us, the wavelength is shifted towards the blue end of the spectrum, if the object is travelling away from us, the wavelength is shifted towards the red end. In cosmological redshift, the wavelength at which the radiation is originally emitted is lengthened as it travels through (expanding) space. Cosmological redshift results from the expansion of space itself and not from the motion of an individual body."

http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cosmos/c/cosmological+redshift

Try first learn what kind of theory you believe!

EternalMovement

See above, simply asserting your self-contradictory interpretation doesn't make it any less self-contradictory.
 
1. Doppler redshifted light from star tell, that star is moving "in" space which alredy is here far away from us! Or then we are moving away from that star!

2. Big bang theory people tell us, cosmologys redshifted light is different what Doppler redshifted light!

Big Bang people say, old light is redshifted cosmologys way, because space expanding.

So, superclusters dont move away from us, but still, later superclusters are more far away from us and this is because space expanding.

And now, lets try explain what happening for expanding space itself when it expanding, what happening for yours magic metric coordinate system when is grow, but not outside to place / space which already exist?

This is something what you cant explain!

EternalLove


Once again that Doppler redshifted is different than cosmological redshift in no way asserts or even implies " superclusters dont move away from us, but still, later superclusters are more far away from us". That self-contradictory assertion is yours and yours alone. Stop trying to ascribe your own self-contradictory nonsense to others. If you don't like the implications of your own assertions then correct your assertions. Again how can you expect anyone to agree with you when even you can't agree with you.
 
Once again that Doppler redshifted is different than cosmological redshift in no way asserts or even implies " superclusters dont move away from us, but still, later superclusters are more far away from us". That self-contradictory assertion is yours and yours alone. Stop trying to ascribe your own self-contradictory nonsense to others. If you don't like the implications of your own assertions then correct your assertions. Again how can you expect anyone to agree with you when even you can't agree with you.

you lie again!

it is not my idea!

this is what big bang people say!


"Cosmological redshift results from the expansion of space itself and not from the motion of an individual body."

http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cosmos/c/cosmological+redshift


EternalMovement





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