Split Thread Criticisms of 9/11 Commission Report

[Childlike Empress]

Can you cite just one passage where evidence was derived from torture?

Three letters: KSM

 

[Andy_Ross]

Three letters: KSM

Which is?

 

[beachnut]

It was just myth.

What specifically was a myth? The myth part of 911 investigation was done by CIT. You mean like that nonsense. Which items are myths?

 

[Childlike Empress]

Which is?

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Here are some more letters about the Commission Report and what we only quite recently learned about torture:

Forgetting Torture: Lee Hamilton, John Brennan, and Abu Zubaydah

The pervasive news surrounding the confirmation hearing of John Brennan, Obama’s nominee for CIA director, is paralleled by another, related story that has been largely ignored by the U.S. media. That is the story of the man called Abu Zubaydah, whose alleged torture testimony, obtained by the CIA while Brennan was the head of the agency’s Terrorist Threat Center, built the foundation for the official account of 9/11. This week I spoke to Lee Hamilton, former vice-chairman of the 9/11 Commission, about the serious problems that the government’s new stance on Zubaydah creates for the 9/11 Commission Report.

As stated in my last article on the subject, Zubaydah is at the center of an unraveling of the official account of the 9/11 attacks.[1] His extensive torture at the hands of the CIA during Brennan’s tenure, which included at least 83 water-boarding sessions, hanging the man naked from the ceiling, slamming him against a concrete wall, and other atrocious experimental techniques, was said to produce valuable evidence about al Qaeda. However, the government now claims that Zubaydah was never a member or associate of al Qaeda and therefore he could not have known any of the information that the 9/11 Commission attributed to him. [...]

In our talk, I reminded Hamilton that Zubaydah was mentioned over 50 times in the 9/11 Commission Report, and that his alleged torture testimony, along with that of KSM and Ramsi bin Alshibh (both of whom Zubaydah identified as being involved in the attacks), produced the foundation of the official account of 9/11. Creating the background for the official myth about al Qaeda, Hamilton’s report called Zubaydah an “Al Qaeda associate,” a “long-time ally of Bin Ladin,” a “Bin Ladin lieutenant,” and an “al Qaeda lieutenant.”[9] Despite these important references, Hamilton told me that he just couldn’t remember Zubaydah, saying “my recollection is really quite vague with regard to him.”

To refresh his memory further, I reminded Hamilton that nine separate dates of Zubaydah’s interrogation were referenced in his report. After these reminders, Hamilton said that he still had to “stretch his imagination to remember” him. It seems that if Hamilton had read my article on Zubaydah, which I had sent to him over a week before he agreed to meet and eleven days before we talked, his memory would have returned easily. Instead, Hamilton’s inability to stretch his imagination on the subject was reminiscent of the “failure of imagination” excuse used by the 9/11 Commission when it proposed an overall explanation for the events of 9/11.

Because the government no longer contends that Zubaydah was in any way associated with al Qaeda and now says that he had no knowledge of the 9/11 attacks, I asked Hamilton if he had an opinion on how Zubaydah could have known so much about al Qaeda as stated in his report. Bluntly stating “No,” Hamilton suggested that he was not concerned with these contradictions. [...]

 

[pgimeno]

Three letters: KSM

Fair enough.

Detainee Interrogation Reports

Chapters 5 and 7 rely heavily on information obtained from captured al Qaeda members.
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http://www.ibiblio.org/ebooks/US/9-11/911Report.htm#p146

What about the rest of the report? ETA: It's 13 chapters, you know. How do you derive 'myth making based on "evidence" derived from torture and a vivid fantasy sharpened by earlier projects' from that?

 

[MileHighMadness]

for the record...Kevin Ryan is an idiot.

Just read his blog "dig within", and that comes pretty clear.

 

[Jango]

Which items are myths?

From the Commission report:

To date, the U.S. government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks. Ultimately the question is of little practical significance.

The most important failure was one of imagination.

Ten Commissioners-five Republicans and five Democrats chosen by elected leaders from our nation's capital at a time of great partisan division-have come together to present this report without dissent.

 

[Jango]

Split from recent tv show

Posted By: Agatha

"The commission"? They didn't look into any collapses. It was just myth making based on "evidence" derived from torture and a vivid fantasy sharpened by earlier projects.

Here's some criticism of the 9/11 Commission:

* Henry Kissinger was initially chosen to lead the inquiry.
* President Bush and Vice President Cheney opposed the creation of an inquiry.
* President Bush and Vice President Cheney spoke to the 9/11 Commission in private together without being putting under oath and without what they said being electronically recorded or transcribed and that the few notes allowed would not be made public.
* Philip Zelikow (who was on Bush's transition team) was the executive director.
* Zelikow and Jamie Gorelick (President Clinton's Deputy Attorney General) were the only two allowed to see the most sensitive material.
* When government employees were interviewed by the commission, they were joined by "minders".
* The funding for the commission was an embarrassment.

 

[DGM]

Here's some criticism of the 9/11 Commission:

* Henry Kissinger was initially chosen to lead the inquiry.
* President Bush and Vice President Cheney opposed the creation of an inquiry.
* President Bush and Vice President Cheney spoke to the 9/11 Commission in private together without being putting under oath and without what they said being electronically recorded or transcribed and that the few notes allowed would not be made public.
* Philip Zelikow (who was on Bush's transition team) was the executive director.
* Zelikow and Jamie Gorelick (President Clinton's Deputy Attorney General) were the only two allowed to see the most sensitive material.
* When government employees were interviewed by the commission, they were joined by "minders".
* The funding for the commission was an embarrassment.

You are aware that despite this the members of the commission claimed they succeeded in reaching their goal?

So, what is your real concern?

 

[beachnut]

... Which items are myths?

From the Commission report:

Quote:
To date, the U.S. government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks. Ultimately the question is of little practical significance.
Quote:
The most important failure was one of imagination.
Quote:
Ten Commissioners-five Republicans and five Democrats chosen by elected leaders from our nation's capital at a time of great partisan division-have come together to present this report without dissent.

Today 10:11 AM

What money? To buy the knives, or what? You do remember they took the planes, they did not pay cash to have 4 aircraft. What would be the big money smoking gun? Uncle Atta sending Atta to flight school?

Imagination? It is hard for me to imagine idiots killing themselves in perfect aircraft. Not hard to write fiction, but I never imagined 19 terrorists taking cockpit, cutting the pilots throats, pulling them out of the seats, and taking the planes. I guess you and 911 truth are so into BS stories, this kind of stuff is reality to you; as you can't figure out 175 hit and made the smoke in the other WTC building move. You lack the imagination to not post a dumb "tag-line quote-mined BS statement" like this and fail to realize it is not a myth, but BS.

What myth? How can congress say anything, they chair the intelligence committee, they fund everything, they are responsible for the money; now you call them putting out a report a myth.

The FBI funding was the real investigation, and it appears the 911 commission myths are BS to fuel the 911 truth political needs.

You have not presented any items that are myths.

 

[Jango]

You are aware that despite this the members of the commission claimed they succeeded in reaching their goal?

So, what is your real concern?

And who would that be?

 

[Childlike Empress]

And who would that be?

Certainly not Kean and Hamilton. Maybe he means Zelikow (edit for pgimeno: he's the "myth maker" I was alluding to)?

 

[Jango]

Certainly not Kean and Hamilton. Maybe he means Zelikow?

Which would be convenient, eh?

 

[DGM]

And who would that be?

All of the members that chose to comment. Do you have evidence anyone of them disagrees with the findings?

 

[Childlike Empress]

What about the rest of the report? ETA: It's 13 chapters, you know. How do you derive 'myth making based on "evidence" derived from torture and a vivid fantasy sharpened by earlier projects' from that?

I know indeed. Chapters 5-7 are the core of the narrative. Before and after are tales of history and recommendations of how to proceed. The wonderful institution of Heimatschutz, ehm, no, Staatssicherheit, jeez, sorry, "Homeland Security" was proposed in that "report" to a great length.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Which would be convenient, eh?

Let's say I'd have to be convinced that it is a coincidence.

 

[DGM]

Let's say I'd have to be convinced that it is a coincidence.

Are there members of the commission that have disputed the conclusions?

 

[Childlike Empress]

Are there members of the commission that have disputed the conclusions?

The two apparatchiks Kean and Hamilton have expressed discontent to an unusual degree, not only in the interview Hamilton granted to "idiot" Ryan linked above. They''re certainly far away from claiming that they succeeded in their mission, which was your claim Jango picked up.

 

[beachnut]

The two apparatchiks Kean and Hamilton have expressed discontent to an unusual degree, not only in the interview Hamilton granted to "idiot" Ryan linked above. They''re certainly far away from claiming that they succeeded in their mission, which was your claim Jango picked up.

Ryan can't figure out 911 after 13 years, he makes up BS like the linked BS above. Like you fell for idiotic claims of an NoC by CIT, you fall for BS you can't support from Ryan. By using Ryan to support anything, is like using CIT for anything; failure. Have you finally figured out CIT was based on BS.

What myths? got a list or what

 

[Jango]

All of the members that chose to comment. Do you have evidence anyone of them disagrees with the findings?

You're kidding, right?