Michael Brown shooting II

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jimbob said:
Why? The management of the FPD were on board with that.
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No [feces], the chief is appointed by the city manager. If they weren't "on board" they'd be fired and replaced by someone who was. None of this is Police Department policy, it's the policy of the elected government which is somehow avoiding all the blame while the cops take the piss.
 
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Upchurch said:
The DOJ exonerated Wilson but condemned the FPD. Are you cherry-picking the DOJ reports?
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They exonerated Wilson after they did a thorough investigation. I don't see any evidence that they conducted such an investigation with the stories you listed. In any case, I didn't need the DOJ report on Wilson to know about the many false stories told about Michael Brown by members of this community. The grand jury documents already detailed them.
 
WildCat said:
No [feces], the chief is appointed by the city manager. If they weren't "on board" they'd be fired and replaced by someone who was. None of this is Police Department policy, it's the policy of the elected government which is somehow avoiding all the blame while the cops take the piss.
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I think that is exactly what a lot of the FPD were doing, in the British sense of the term.

A culture that the FPD were not public servants but above the law.

The link that Upchurch posted.

Sounds like taking the piss
 
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Ammonitida said:
They exonerated Wilson after they did a thorough investigation. I don't see any evidence that they conducted such an investigation with the stories you listed. In any case, I didn't need the DOJ report on Wilson to know about the many false stories told about Michael Brown by members of this community. The grand jury documents already detailed them.
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The community members managed to get false stories into the FPD's own records? How'd they manage that?
 
WildCat said:
No [feces], the chief is appointed by the city manager. If they weren't "on board" they'd be fired and replaced by someone who was. None of this is Police Department policy, it's the policy of the elected government which is somehow avoiding all the blame while the cops take the piss.
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I agree to a point ,but think the command levels of the FPD have a lot to answer for.
Ferguson seems to be ,as far as corruption goes, a minature Chicago.
 
WildCat said:
No [feces], the chief is appointed by the city manager. If they weren't "on board" they'd be fired and replaced by someone who was. None of this is Police Department policy, it's the policy of the elected government which is somehow avoiding all the blame while the cops take the piss.
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I would be surprised if the elected officials last much longer, but on the other hand, I think the "I was just following orders" defense went out of fashion in the 1940s.
 
Upchurch said:
I would be surprised if the elected officials last much longer, but on the other hand, I think the "I was just following orders" defense went out of fashion in the 1940s.
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Defense? There aren't even charges.
 
dudalb said:
I agree to a point ,but think the command levels of the FPD have a lot to answer for.
Ferguson seems to be ,as far as corruption goes, a minature Chicago.
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Yeah, let me know when Holder comes down on the city run by Obama's former CoS. The I'll know this isn't 100% political.
 
As an Obama voter, I was disappointed that he waded in. But I can understand it, a leader searching for meaning and trying to air out his notions about a social issue and current event.
Holder has been stomach turning.
 
Upchurch said:
You were saying that the cops are not to blame for enforcing this policy passed down to them from the elected officials, weren't you? Are they unaccountable for their own actions?
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Which charges are you talking about?
 
Monketey Ghost said:
As an Obama voter, I was disappointed that he waded in. But I can understand it, a leader searching for meaning and trying to air out his notions about a social issue and current event.
Holder has been stomach turning.
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In what way? He seemed pretty reasonable in the small bits that I have seen.
 
In that I disagree that the DOJ had any business getting involved at all and lending credence to the farce.
Thug dies trying to kill a cop should never have been given that attention.
 
Monketey Ghost said:
In that I disagree that the DOJ had any business getting involved at all and lending credence to the farce.
Thug dies trying to kill a cop should never have been given that attention.
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Thug dies trying to attack cop and people protest because they are tired of being victimised by the police.

DoJ investigates and finds that *that* trigger incident wasn't unjustified but that the wider picture is that the police are racially discriminating, corrupt and trampling on the constitutional rights of the population with excessive use of force.

And you don't think the DoJ had any business investigating?
 
No more than they do when they step in to all other cop shootings. Because that's what the DOJ does, I guess.
 
Monketey Ghost said:
No more than they do when they step in to all other cop shootings. Because that's what the DOJ does, I guess.
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Should the DoJ have ignored the complaints or investigated them?

Once it investigated them, should it have ignored what it found?

I think a wider investigation should be started - and the report has found enough evidence to justify that in my opinion. However, that doesn't mean that the blatant illegal actions by the FPD should be ignored; there is currently stronger evidence for what is wrong there than other police departments.
 
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