Michael Brown shooting II

[NoahFence]

This isn't a gun control thread, stay on topic or start another thread.

Here's more of the peaceful protest last night, notice how they peacefully swarmed this woman's car and peacefully kept her from going about her business on a public street.

[qimg]http://home.mindspring.com/~a.lo/car_swarm.jpg[/qimg]

http://doblim.com/item/401867_developing-two-police-officers-shot-in-ferguson

I guess she's lucky she wasn't peacefully shot. And notice all the cameras, which all somehow fail to ever capture all the criminality at these peaceful protests.

Uh...

How'd you get that shot then?

 

[Upchurch]

This isn't a gun control thread, stay on topic or start another thread.

And this is not a woo board that accepts logical fallacies lightly. I didn't say anything about gun control. I'm talking about tangential culpability to a shooting. The protestors provided cover for the shooter. The gun manufacturer provided the mechanism for the shooter. Somehow, only one of these are directly responsible.

Time to do some critical thinking.

Here's more of the peaceful protest last night, notice how they peacefully swarmed this woman's car and peacefully kept her from going about her business on a public street.

Non-sequitur and an appeal to emotion. If protestors were doing something illegal, they should be arrested and charged for it.

 

[WildCat]

Uh...

How'd you get that shot then?

Where's the guy with the gun shooting police?

 

[WildCat]

And this is not a woo board that accepts logical fallacies lightly. I didn't say anything about gun control. I'm talking about tangential culpability to a shooting. The protestors provided cover for the shooter. The gun manufacturer provided the mechanism for the shooter. Somehow, only one of these are directly responsible.

Time to do some critical thinking.

Cite your legal theory then Mr. Critical Thinker.

Non-sequitur and an appeal to emotion. If protestors were doing something illegal, they should be arrested and charged for it.

Do you think all the people blocking streets should have been arrested and charged? How about the people swarming that woman's car? If she had panicked and floored the accelerator do you think she should be charged, if so why?

 

[Upchurch]

Cite your legal theory then Mr. Critical Thinker.

There is none because it makes no more sense than blaming the protestors for providing cover. For that matter, I didn't even mention anything about legal responsibility. Are you suggesting that you believe the protestors are legally responsible for the shooting of those two cops last night?

Do you think all the people blocking streets should have been arrested and charged? How about the people swarming that woman's car? If she had panicked and floored the accelerator do you think she should be charged, if so why?

I said "if". I don't know what relevant laws are applicable here. Is it even illegal? Dozens of separate accounts of jaywalking, perhaps?

 

[WildCat]

There is none because it makes no more sense than blaming the protestors for providing cover. For that matter, I didn't even mention anything about legal responsibility. Are you suggesting that you believe the protestors are legally responsible for the shooting of those two cops last night?

I never claimed they were legally responsible, I said that restricting protests to daylight hours would have no Constitutional implications and allowing them at night has lead to burning, looting, and now 2 cops shot.

I said "if". I don't know what relevant laws are applicable here. Is it even illegal? Dozens of separate accounts of jaywalking, perhaps?

You don't know if it's illegal to intentionally block traffic in a street, jump up on top of cars trying to navigate said street and pound on the cars you block to intimidate the driver?

Really?

 

[theprestige]

And this is not a woo board that accepts logical fallacies lightly.

I won't comment on whether this is really not a woo board, but the truth is that it's a board that uses logical fallacies with wild abandon, and rejects them only when they fail to agree with a member's chosen position on a topic.

 

[Upchurch]

I never claimed they were legally responsible

Thanks for the clarification. I am still confused why you injected legal theory into this conversation.

I said that restricting protests to daylight hours would have no Constitutional implications and allowing them at night has lead to burning, looting, and now 2 cops shot.

There were, perhaps, more factors than just evening protests at play, but why didn't the various police departments restrict the protests, then?

You don't know if it's illegal to intentionally block traffic in a street, jump up on top of cars trying to navigate said street and pound on the cars you block to intimidate the driver?

Then, arrest them.

It is not the protests nor the protestors who are causing a problem. It is the people who are acting illegally. Don't paint them all with the same brush simply because you do not agree with them.

 

[Upchurch]

I won't comment on whether this is really not a woo board, but the truth is that it's a board that uses logical fallacies with wild abandon, and rejects them only when they fail to agree with a member's chosen position on a topic.

And they get called out when they do that, or should be.

 

[Monketi Ghost]

I won't comment on whether this is really not a woo board, but the truth is that it's a board that uses logical fallacies with wild abandon, and rejects them only when they fail to agree with a member's chosen position on a topic.

 

[Monketi Ghost]

Don't everybody condemn this ambush at once!

 

[Upchurch]

Don't everybody condemn this ambush at once!

Which ambush?

 

[WildCat]

Thanks for the clarification. I am still confused why you injected legal theory into this conversation.

You did when you wanted to know why I didn't think firearms manufacturers, for example, weren't responsible for misuse of their products.

There were, perhaps, more factors than just evening protests at play, but why didn't the various police departments restrict the protests, then?

I'm pretty sure they did, which caused the "peaceful protestors" to riot.

Then, arrest them.

It is not the protests nor the protestors who are causing a problem. It is the people who are acting illegally. Don't paint them all with the same brush simply because you do not agree with them.

What percentage of the protestors were blocking traffic? What do you think would happen if all of those in the street were arrested? I bet you'd be one of the ones here screaming police abuse.

 

[NoahFence]

Where's the guy with the gun shooting police?

The subjects in the photo are engaged in criminal activity - and what's more, the camera was rolling for it.

This is your standard, not mine. Sorry it got thrown back in your face.

 

[dudalb]

Which ambush?

The one you are avoiding commenting on.............


Frankly, your tactics of evasion on this have cost you my respect.

 

[Upchurch]

You did when you wanted to know why I didn't think firearms manufacturers, for example, weren't responsible for misuse of their products.

I was drawing a parallel between how you were blaming protestors for the shooting last night. If you didn't mean responsibility in a legal sense, why would I have meant the responsibility in a legal sense?

I'm pretty sure they did, which caused the "peaceful protestors" to riot.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but they restricted the area, not the time.

What percentage of the protestors were blocking traffic?

I give up, how many?

Also, what relevance does that have? If it's a high enough percentage, do you feel your conclusion wouldn't be a logical fallacy?

What do you think would happen if all of those in the street were arrested? I bet you'd be one of the ones here screaming police abuse.

There is no way to know, but I see that doesn't stop you from drawing conclusions anyway.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Because the "peaceful protestors" insisted on protesting late into the night thus giving cover for those who used the opportunity to loot and burn.

Yep. Useful idiots.

 

[Upchurch]

The one you are avoiding commenting on.............

I literally have no idea what you are talking about. Are you referring to WildCat's picture of the woman in the car where I said the people should be arrested?

 

[dudalb]

I literally have no idea what you are talking about. Are you referring to WildCat's picture of the woman in the car where I said the people should be arrested?

The Shooting of two Cops in Ferguson. You have been dancing aroud this for some time, because it does not fit into your scenario.

 

[dudalb]

Yep. Useful idiots.

Sad thing is there are useful idiots on BOTH sides in this. People who blindly support the rioters,and people who blindly support what is apparently a corrupt,disfunctional police department.
God, I hate blind ideologues, I don't care what ideology they support.