DOJ: Ferguson PD descrimination against blacks is routine

Monketey Ghost said:
Both of you missed "violent crime". Still laughing?
When it's gone back to good old ignorable black on black crime, will you resume laughing?
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Not laughing

But I think violent crime might be "Bleeding on an Officer's Uniform after an Extrajudicial Beating"...
I suppose that they didn't literally have "Posession of an offensive wife" although they got pretty close, "you’re going to jail because your wife keeps running her mouth.”


ETA: In case my point wasn't clear, the list of fourth amendment violations and the lack of records of use of force suggest that a lot of the violence came from the police, sometimes out of proportion to the required use of force, and sometimes directed at a perfectly innocent person.
 
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Monketey Ghost said:
Both of you missed "violent crime". Still laughing?
When it's gone back to good old ignorable black on black crime, will you resume laughing?
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The FPD is going to have more time available to work on violent crime issues if they stop their petty revenue generation campaign. If anything, one would expect violent crime to go down as a result.
 
I'll be looking forward to the much improved Ferguson community a year from now.

The one on Fantasy Island.
 
Monketey Ghost said:
Both of you missed "violent crime". Still laughing?
When it's gone back to good old ignorable black on black crime, will you resume laughing?
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Monketey Ghost said:
I'll be looking forward to the much improved Ferguson community a year from now.

The one on Fantasy Island.
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I don't understand what you're trying to say. Are you saying that the systemic abuse of power and racism is necessary? That the people of Ferguson are better of with it?
 
Monketey Ghost said:
Both of you missed "violent crime". Still laughing?
When it's gone back to good old ignorable black on black crime, will you resume laughing?
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I don't think anyone is against arresting people for violent crime. Is the only way of doing that to arrest people for stupid, made up stuff too?
 
Monketey Ghost said:
I'll be looking forward to the much improved Ferguson community a year from now.

The one on Fantasy Island.
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So you are saying that the only way to protect people against crime to to hassle people, often because of their race, for stupid stuff.

Are you therefore suggesting that all other police departments are either doing exactly this sort of racist, made up, stupid stuff, or by definition cannot be protecting people against crime?
 
Giordano said:
So you are saying that the only way to protect people against crime to to hassle people, often because of their race, for stupid stuff.

Are you therefore suggesting that all other police departments are either doing exactly this sort of racist, made up, stupid stuff, or by definition cannot be protecting people against crime?
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Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. That clears up the ambiguity in my post. I should have used different words that meant something else, obviously. Thanks for clearing up my clutter.
 
Newtons Bit said:
The FPD is going to have more time available to work on violent crime issues if they stop their petty revenue generation campaign. If anything, one would expect violent crime to go down as a result.
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There is one issue that does raise some concerns however. Ferguson does depend on police writing a lot of violations in order to have enough money to do things like collect garbage, repair streets etc. If they are going to be forced to comply with the Constitution -- and they should be I'm not arguing they shouldn't -- one result is probably going to be a big drop in city revenue. How do they make that up? Where do they find the money to do all the legitimate things a city has to do once their main source of revenue (rousting people) is shut off? They're going to have to find the money somehow but I would think that's going to be a real challenge for the new leadership.
 
A court system is not supposed to be anywhere near revenue-neutral. At the moment the fines tend to hot the poorest so maybe they need a different local tax...

Alternatively, they could let St Louis County police them and save the wages of their court officials and police officers. That would be more than the income they wrongfully bring in at the moment
 
Monketey Ghost said:
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. That clears up the ambiguity in my post. I should have used different words that meant something else, obviously. Thanks for clearing up my clutter.
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It appears that I was not the only one here asking if you really meant what your posts appeared to state, because the most likely interpretation appeared somewhat extreme to us.

My apologies, and I will interpret your words literally from now on, no matter what.
 
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newyorkguy said:
How do they make that up? Where do they find the money to do all the legitimate things a city has to do once their main source of revenue (rousting people) is shut off?
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They do the same thing that other small townships in the country do: they go in with other townships for a share of their services. There is already a St. Louis Country Police Department.

These townships are legally their own towns, but any other large metropolitan area, they'd be neighborhoods or districts.
 
newyorkguy said:
Ferguson does depend on police writing a lot of violations in order to have enough money to do things like collect garbage, repair streets etc.
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Should be paid for by the people who use those services.


If they are going to be forced to comply with the Constitution
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The Constitution prohibits anything but court fines being used to pay for garbage collection and street repair?
 
Roger Ramjets said:
Should be paid for by the people who use those services.


The Constitution prohibits anything but court fines being used to pay for garbage collection and street repair?
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No as has been posted putting people in jail for being unable to pay their fines is a violation of the US constitution. As that is a part of what they are doing and then adding more fines on top of it for revenue generation.

That is what is the issue.
 
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