Continuation Part 13: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Machiavelli]

Cabina di regia also means a control room

http://context.reverso.net/translation/italian-english/cabina+di+regia

Only in tv shows or the room for journalists on sports events. But in Giobbi's testimony it only means "him and Profazio". Also because there is no locative proposition ("noi rimanevamo" = we were being - there is no "in"), so there can't be a room or a place, Giobbi can be talking only about something they were or were doing.

 

[Desert Fox]

I was watching a Medical Detectives program about the murder of Stefanie Newman Rabinowitz. By the stomach contents, which had very little digestion, it had only been one or two hours since eating that she was murdered. It appears as if stomach contents are accepted as good evidence of time of death.

 

[Diocletus]

It can be a team, but even a single person; "cabina di regia" means those who basically only direct, and don't participate.
In the testimony Giobbi refers as himself and Profazio (two people) as those who directed the operation, but they did not take part to the interviews.

Giobbi also said it was himself and Profazio who thought - at a certain point - that given the contradictions that emerged from the questionings and their latest declarations, the informants should not be regarded as witness any longer, and thus Giobbi and Profazio decided to suspend the interrogations and to call the Prosecutor. (they acted so precautionally, not formally; I point out the police cannot declare someone a suspect, only the Prosecutor or another Magistrate can do so.)

So gubbio could hear everything from his control room.

 

[Machiavelli]

So gubbio could hear everything from his control room.

Giobbi didn't have a control room.

 

[Magister]

I wouldn't summarize it as "hearing screams". Giobbi actually has some descriptive terms for the "screams"

"gridate" instead of "grida"
"urlate" instead of "urla" (specifically "urlate emotive")



"gridata" or "urlata" is not translatable "scream". It's a behaviour of yelling and shouting.

Scream is "urlo" (plural: "urla"). But with the suffix -ata it becomes something different.

Yet again Machiavelli is wrong

gridate and urlate mean scream

http://context.reverso.net/translation/italian-english/urlate

 

[Diocletus]

Giobbi didn't have a control room.

Well, either that or he was listening through the wall. Because according to you, he knew what was being said. And he could hear the hollering.

 

[Diocletus]

Yet again Machiavelli is wrong

gridate and urlate mean scream

http://context.reverso.net/translation/italian-english/urlate

Italians have a gajillian words for "scream". It's like Eskimos and snow. I'll bet Italians have hundreds of words for "lie", too.

 

[Machiavelli]

Yet again Machiavelli is wrong

gridate and urlate mean scream

http://context.reverso.net/translation/italian-english/urlate

You want to teach me some Italian?

Actually, in the only contemporary use (in South-Center Italy), the word "gridata" means "scolding".

http://dizionari.repubblica.it/Italiano/G/gridata.php

gridata
[gri-dà-ta]
s.f.

1 non com. [uncommon] Sgridata, rabbuffo

2 ant. [old] Rumore di grida
‖ dim. gridatìna

Some equivalence between "urlo" and "gridata" can be found in old Italian texts, of centuries ago, but does not belong to contemporary Italian language. (and it is anyway not a perfect equivalence).

Here "gridata" means an active behaviour, an attitude of yelling or shouting or letting out emotions in a loud voice.

Note how the suffix -ata changes words in Italian: scena = "scene"; scenata = "telling off", "row", "scolding", "violent argument"

 

[Machiavelli]

Well, either that or he was listening through the wall. Because according to you, he knew what was being said. And he could hear the hollering.

He had no control room, also because a "control room" in a police station would be called sala operativa (while cabina di regia as an actual place only exists for sports or tv shows. "Cabina" is a cab, a very very small thing, maybe hanging on a high place, a tower etc.).

He said he didn't take active part. He didn't say he didn't see anything. Of course he says he and Profazio came to know what was being said.

One thing to be said - that I was told - is that office doors were open. Knox's door surely was. Officers could see her from the corridoor.

 

[Diocletus]

He had no control room, also because a "control room" in a police station would be called sala operativa (while cabina di regia as an actual place only exists for sports or tv shows. "Cabina" is a cab, a very very small thing, maybe hanging on a high place, a tower etc.).

He said he didn't take active part. He didn't say he didn't see anything. Of course he says he and Profazio came to know what was being said.

One thing to be said - that I was told - is that office doors were open. Knox's door surely was. Officers could see her from the corridoor.

Sure. It's just that they've all come down with a bad case of homerta.

 

[Machiavelli]

Sure. It's just that they've all come down with a bad case of homerta.

Seems to me Giobbi talks a lot and answers all questions.

 

[Numbers]

He had no control room, also because a "control room" in a police station would be called sala operativa (while cabina di regia as an actual place only exists for sports or tv shows. "Cabina" is a cab, a very very small thing, maybe hanging on a high place, a tower etc.).

He said he didn't take active part. He didn't say he didn't see anything. Of course he says he and Profazio came to know what was being said.

One thing to be said - that I was told - is that office doors were open. Knox's door surely was. Officers could see her from the corridoor.

In this situation, Ann Donnino is needed to help with the interpretation and mediation. When she comes to help us, we will remember what is really meant by "control room" in English.

 

[Diocletus]

Seems to me Giobbi talks a lot and answers all questions.

It doesn't really matter at this point. All that matters is what Hellmann said about the poor foreign girl who was interrogated obsessively and tricked by her interpretor. That's all the echr is going to hear.

 

[Machiavelli]

Also, note how Giobbi links the "shouting" only to the specific episode when Amanda tells the name of Lumumba (he describes the episode exactly in the same way Anna Donnino describes it):

Amanda era più emotiva, aveva delle reazioni molto più forti, mi ricordo benissimo grandi pianti, grandi gridate, grandi urlate emotive, ma questo poi diciamo nella fase in cui fece il nome di Lumurnba sopratutto perché io le associavo al fatto che lei ricordasse in quel frangente l'episodio specifico, (...)

Amanda was more emotional, her reactions were much stronger, I remember very well great weepings, big shoutings, big emotional yellings, but this was when let's say at the stage when she gave the name of Lumurnba, especially because I associated those [shoutings] to the fact that she was remembering the specific episode in that moment (...)..

 

[Machiavelli]

It doesn't really matter at this point. All that matters is what Hellmann said about the poor foreign girl who was interrogated obsessively and tricked by her interpretor. That's all the echr is going to hear.

Then they will cover their ears on the rest and shake their heads, correct?

 

[Dan O.]

Actually, Machiavelli explained that the "control room" doesn't exist.
The Italian expression "cabina di regia" (translated by google as "control room") is a colloqualism that means a directorate, a coordinating group, a directive staff.

Has nobody ever been in that building and survived to talk about it? Why is it so difficult to draw a layout and show where these various rooms are?

 

[Ampulla of Vater]

Amanda was more emotional, her reactions were much stronger, I remember very well great weepings, big shoutings, big emotional yellings, but this was when let's say at the stage when she gave the name of Lumurnba, especially because I associated those [shoutings] to the fact that she was remembering the specific episode in that moment (...)..

Or perhaps those [shoutings] were from head pain from being cuffed by some police person.

 

[Machiavelli]

Or perhaps those [shoutings] were from head pain from being cuffed by some police person.

Amanda did not tell about having suffered any physical pain. And anyway it is not what Donnino's testimony, nor Giobbi's testimony say.

The described theatrical behaviour of screaming (and specifically when in relation with thinking back at Meredith's murder or telling about Lumumba) is actually consistent with several other episodes by Amanda Knox, she already had another telling off when she saw the knives at the cottage (covering her ears in that occasion), then later when she released her statement to Mignini (she covered her ears and shaked her head) and she burst out in tears and cries even in her Dec. 17. interrogation.

 

[Strozzi]

I kind of have a question. . . .Did you get any feel if the recording method was analog (tapes) or digital?

I cannot say. I do not know if the recording method was analogue or digital.

However, I discussed this with several Americans and Europeans who work in the electronic industry and was told that digital recording was standard for years before 2007. That is not to exclude the use of analogue recording for special purposes. I was also told that a professionally-designed digital recording system would automatically save and backup the digital recording. It costs next to nothing to digitally record an event.

ETA: My opinion is that the recording system was deliberately not turned on for the interrogations because the police interrogators knew it was likely to get messy, given that they were rushing to break open the case that night before Knox's mother arrived the following day.

 

[Numbers]

Has nobody ever been in that building and survived to talk about it? Why is it so difficult to draw a layout and show where these various rooms are?

ECHR will request the architectural drawings, or have an investigator (probably a lawyer who knows how to draw and dimension) sketch the layout. They actually did something like that to a police station in Turkey where a 17 year-old Kurdish woman of Turkish nationality was taken by police to be "interrogated" (actually, beaten, tortured, and raped). The ECHR found there were some undisclosed rooms in the basement that corresponded to rooms she had described as a torture chamber and office. There also was no record of this woman being brought to this police station. ECHR investigation found that the number of persons brought to the station in the year in question was much lower than in previous years, and inferred there were unrecorded arrestees.

ETA: Case of Aydın v. Turkey - 23178/94