Continuation Part 13: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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What platonov is (purposely) missing is that both AK and RS were operating that night from what they were being told the other was saying.

Again, read their books. More important read their appeals documents. But why let them get in the way of a good lie!

Platonov continues to claim that RS has thrown AK under a bus. Yet nowhere does RS actually do that and more importantly nowhere (post interrogation) does AK think he's done that.

Not even the courts or the prosecutors now claim RS is doing that. Just platonov.

If it were not for the pro-guilt lobby, this falsehood would have died long ago.
 
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platonov said:
Excellent, MichaelB. Good work.

After 4+ years of the cartwheel spinning furiously and getting nowhere you have managed to make the connection between (& find a timeline for) RS’s betrayal and AK’s false accusation.

According to her book she falsely accused PL after RS threw her under the bus.
So far so good. If only this info had been incorporated into the IFC/Wb theory earlier think what might have been achieved. Still better late than never.

One not so minor point. I am familiar with much of AK’s testimony. While she addresses the betrayal by RS [ June 2009 in response to Maresca IIRC] she doesn’t actually connect this with her false accusation. Do you have a cite for this.
Platonov has the (annoying apparently ;)) habit of being right in these matters but perhaps I have overlooked something :)

Now moving on.
RS has also written a book I believe. Does he place his disavowal of AK before her false accusation.
Do their stories (in the books ) match ?
AFAICS he is not very clear on this. He says

“When I first found out what Amanda had signed her name to, I was furious. Okay, she was under a lot of pressure, as I had been, but how could she just invent stuff out of nowhere? Why would she drag me into something I had no part of?”

It doesn’t sound like he is admitting that his ‘disavowal’ was the cause of the false accusation.
What time does he give for his withdrawal of the alibi and claim that his earlier lies were AK’s idea?
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I've finally figured out the point to your seemingly random, cryptic posts. You think, because some of AK and RS's statements don't match in all details, that means they are guilty. No evidence needed. And that everyone that does not agree with that is somehow part of some conspiracy.

Good luck with that.
 
Dougm said:
I've finally figured out the point to your seemingly random, cryptic posts. You think, because some of AK and RS's statements don't match in all details, that means they are guilty. No evidence needed. And that everyone that does not agree with that is somehow part of some conspiracy.

Good luck with that.
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This is kind of a no win for the defendants and is for a great many cases. If the defendants are not consistent, they are considered guilty but if they are consistent then the stories are considered rehearsed and again are seen as signs of guilt.
 
I beg of thee...

Platonov,
Can ya help me out?

I'm wondering how a gal can stab another gal with a huuuge knife,
3 times quickly, in the same exact spot, with only 1/2 of the looong blade entering the victims throat?

Allow me to refresh you, tsig
and other members of the pro-guilt society's memory about The Knife, ok?

Here's The Knife:
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Here is a size comparison of The Knife seen near a lab techs hand:
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Pretty big, huh?


Here is a size comparison of The Knife compared to a bloody knife imprint seen on Miss Kercher's bed:
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posted previously by Machiavelli.

Wait a sec,
let's check out another comparison of The Knife to that bloody knife imprint found on Miss Kercher's bed:
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Do you think that it matches?


The Knife was stabbed only 1/2 of its blade length,
3 times, again, again, + again, in the same spot?
I can not figure out how Amanda did this.

Here's a diagram of the wound:
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Why didn't The Knife go all the way into her neck at least 1 time?
Or 2 times?

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Platonov,
I still need your help!

Can you help me understand how there was DNA found on The Knife,
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But when tested 3 times, no blood was ever found?


Was it because Dr. Stef did not know what she was doing?
Was she possibly not using the right equipment to test The Knife?
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Weird how The Knife,
when tested by Dr. Patrizia Stefanoni,
kept coming up Too low, Too Low, Too Low on The Machine's readout, right?

Here's some reporting from the courtroom at the time by Perugia Shock.
ETA: Did you know that Frank Sfarzo likes to read on the beach?
As I'm an old beach boy, well I thought this passage below pretty cool!
"It's not that I like stories too much so I brought, to read on the beach, a recipe book. Biological recipes, signed Patrizia Stefanoni, published by Polizia Scientifica, Rome, soft cover. Let's see one of them, they are almost all the same.

Possibly make sure the lab temperature is 20-22 degrees.
Leave the test kit 15 minutes out of the fridge.
Prepare a solution mother.
For each sample 199 μL of Buffer and 1 μL of reagent.
For each standard 190 μL of solution mother and 10 μL of standard.
For each sample 199 μL of solution mother and 1 μL of sample.
Vortex 1-2 minutes the samples and incubate 2 minutes at environment temperature.

The directions were clear, but the tests results, after the 2 minutes baking, were often the same: too low."

Link:
http://web.archive.org/web/20100806235709/http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/2009/09/too-low.html


Platonov,
was there ever blood ever found between The Knife blade and its handle?
Wouldn't it have been a great idea to open up the handle of The Knife and test for blood there?

Wait a sec,
did not The Prosecution and - or was that The Kercher Family attorney
who objected to opening up the handle of The Knife for further DNA + blood testing?

I need some help Platonov!
Please enlighten me with some of your wisdom, ok?
Thanks, RW
 
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Greetings,
This photograph of Dr. Patrizia Stefanoni, sometimes intrigues me,
for she is sitting with Prosecutor Mignini during trial:
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Didn't Dr. Stefanoni have to get special permission to travel from Rome, about 2 hours away,
to drive down to Perugia to collect evidence in the horrible murder and rape of an English college student studying abroad there in Perugia?


I just find it odd that the Dr. can pick up evidence without apparently changing her gloves every time,
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test it herself, and then also gets to sit at the big table with The Prosecutor
in a sensational, murder of the century trial...

Do all good Dr.'s get to sit with The Prosecutor too in other countries?
 
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If I understand, witnesses in most cases cannot sit in the trial itself but instead must remain outside. This way that they are not suppose to be tainted.
 
Desert Fox said:
If I understand, witnesses in most cases cannot sit in the trial itself but instead must remain outside. This way that they are not suppose to be tainted.
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The people who collect the evidence are also not supposed to be the people who test it. Preferably, the testers should be "blind" as to whether they are testing a sample from a suspect or a non-suspect.

The suspect-oriented forensic malpractice shown in this case is an example of why the testers and analyzers of data should ideally not be aware of the identities of the sample sources.
 
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Numbers said:
The people who collect the evidence are also not supposed to be the people who test it. Preferably, the testers should be "blind" as to whether they are testing a sample from a suspect or a non-suspect.

The suspect-oriented forensic malpractice shown in this case is an example of why the testers and analyzers of data should ideally not be aware of the identities of the sample sources.
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Don't they have people do both in CSI TV shows? Maybe that is where she learned her profession :eek:
 
Howdy!

So about contamination,
we've seen the Crime Scene vidz where Dr. Stefanoni has not changed her gloves, possibly causing contamination. And where the lab geeks are passin' around The Bra Clasp like a, well you know what I mean.

But what if an investigator is coughing into his glove?

Check this screen grab pic out,
from the 2nd vid on the next day, Nov.3, 2007:
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It shows a fine member of Polizia Scientifica(?)
bringing his hand up to his mouth as he is coughing


He appears to be moving an evidence marker at 1 point,
outside + downstairs, near a napkin or paper towel with, I suppose, blood on it.*


I'm just wondering out loud here,
would this gonna possibly contaminate evidence if he does not change his gloves and touches different evidence?
RW


* - (Weird how the cat gets blood on the strangest of things downstairs, light switches, napkins, bedspreads.)
 
I think most of us that argue innocence or not guilty consider the Italian forensic practices horrible. One item that really bothers me is that if say the city of Norfolk did these kind of practices, it is a single city but in this case this is a nationwide organization.
 
RWVBWL said:
* - (Weird how the cat gets blood on the strangest of things downstairs, light switches, napkins, bedspreads.)
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As the old saying goes, When the cat's away, the mice will play! In this case, it was the cat that did the playing! When those boys were away, he decided to have a bunch of his cat buddies over! :boggled:
 
RWVBWL said:
Greetings,
This photograph of Dr. Patrizia Stefanoni, sometimes intrigues me,
for she is sitting with Prosecutor Mignini during trial:
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1240&pictureid=9562[/qimg]



Didn't Dr. Stefanoni have to get special permission to travel from Rome, about 2 hours away,
to drive down to Perugia to collect evidence in the horrible murder and rape of an English college student studying abroad there in Perugia?


I just find it odd that the Dr. can pick up evidence without apparently changing her gloves every time,
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1240&pictureid=9563[/qimg]
test it herself, and then also gets to sit at the big table with The Prosecutor
in a sensational, murder of the century trial...

Do all good Dr.'s get to sit with The Prosecutor too in other countries?
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And lest we forget.....the Prosecution had Stefanoni's boss Renato Biondi ( Head of Scientific Police DNA Unit) as an expert witness! He also sat at Prosecution table during the trial. Very cosy indeed.
 
RWVBWL said:
Howdy!

So about contamination,
we've seen the Crime Scene vidz where Dr. Stefanoni has not changed her gloves, possibly causing contamination. And where the lab geeks are passin' around The Bra Clasp like a, well you know what I mean.

But what if an investigator is coughing into his glove?

Check this screen grab pic out,
from the 2nd vid on the next day, Nov.3, 2007:
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1240&pictureid=9564[/qimg]
It shows a fine member of Polizia Scientifica(?)
bringing his hand up to his mouth as he is coughing


He appears to be moving an evidence marker at 1 point,
outside + downstairs, near a napkin or paper towel with, I suppose, blood on it.*


I'm just wondering out loud here,
would this gonna possibly contaminate evidence if he does not change his gloves and touches different evidence?
RW


* - (Weird how the cat gets blood on the strangest of things downstairs, light switches, napkins, bedspreads.)
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The cat probably simply wanted to take a nap after a snack. What's the prob?
 
Dougm said:
As the old saying goes, When the cat's away, the mice will play! In this case, it was the cat that did the playing! When those boys were away, he decided to have a bunch of his cat buddies over! :boggled:
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Where is the evidence of multiple cats?
 
Dougm said:
Did anybody check the "cats had a party" theory? I think not! People have wondered what happened to those pot plants, maybe they had nibbles out of them??? :p
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Maybe Amanda and Raff trained the cats to kill Meredeth :boggled:
 
The most bizarre part of this is that we're 26 days from the Supreme Court of a major Western nation.......

....signing off on Nencini's motivation report. .....

... a report where the best way to believe it is not to read it.....

... and the best way to refute it, is to quote it. This very much sums this up.
 
Coughing Boy

I'm not afraid to ask for directions, err, I mean some help!

Check this out,
am I totally off the wall or trippin?

Can an investigator coughing into his gloved hand possibly contaminate a crime scene?

Here's the deal,
I'm taking a break from editing surfpix,
and somethin' is botherin' me, once again, about this horrible murder and rape case we discuss.


What am I bothered by now, ya might ask?
Coughing Boy, I'll call him.

Coughing Boy is part of Polizia Scientica,
it seems, they being the crew who come out and collect evidence in terrible crimes.

Coughing Boy is apparently seen a buncha times in the Crime Scene vidz, he's 1 of the crew.
Works a lot at the scene, many, many hours it appears.

Here he is at 6:14:25 pm coughing onto his hand,
which appears, to me at least, to have a glove on as they work on a bloody napkin outside downstairs right near the boyz kitchen doorway, near where bloody watery drops are on the stairs that Diocletus has written about.
This is also when Dr. Stefanoni can be telling her assistant Alessi to test the seminal fluid stains:
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Here is Coughing Boy again,
53 seconds later, at 6:15:18 pm
this photo shows him better:
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Check it out,
here, most likely, is the Coughing Boy again, many hours earlier,
at 1:22:34 am in Miss Kercher's bedroom,
as Dr. Stefanoni hand grabs and holds aloft Meredith's bloodied bra:
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Now I have not seen the uncut full version of the crime Scene video's.
maybe Coughing Boy never coughs again.

But if he does so,
and his DNA is 1 of those 4 unidentified male contributers on Miss Kercher's bra clasp,
I'd say that Miss Kercher's Bra Clasp was contaminated, wouldn't you?
RW



PS - In case you do not have these vidz,
well download, save and view them already!!!
Maybe you'll help find an overlooked clue...

Here's the link from Metho's awhile back.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10276559&postcount=4068

Be warned,
the 1st vid is sad,
you can tell that Miss Kercher,
having been murdered and raped,
is still lying under the duvet,
+ the Polizia Scientifica are heard laughing at times...
 
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