Prison for driving with flintlock pistol?

Crossbow said:
This is the second time that you have validated my point.
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What point would that be? Underlining a claim is a substitute for supporting evidence? People who ask you to prove your claims are pigs? Running away from a claim instead of supporting it with evidence is the right thing to do?

Ranb
 
Damien Evans said:
This is so wrong i don't even know where to begin. Let's start with the fact that Felony is a term which hasn't had any legal status in England for nearly 50 years.
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What is incorrect?

- handguns (with very rare exceptions) are banned
- multi year prison sentence* for possession of banned firearm
- GB pistol shooting team had to go abroad to practice for the 2012 Olympics


* i.e. equivalent to a 'felony'
 
Giz said:
Ah, Heroine Bags - there's the name of our swashbuckler's love interest!
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Well, *somebody's* love interest, anyway. He was a passenger in his car. Scales and baggies were found and the driver says he copped to it because he didn't want the old man taken in. I don't know how the police determined they were "heroin baggies", but thats their story. Maybe the old guy has the scales and baggies for loading his flintlock with the correct charge? ;)

Anyway, its all mighty fishy. I still stand by my "charges should be thrown out once all the evidence is in" stance about the firearms charge. But, its a bit skeezy starting off a crowdfunding drive without offering up all the relevant details for your potential donors. But, well... New Jersey.
 
Ranb said:
What point would that be? Underlining a claim is a substitute for supporting evidence? People who ask you to prove your claims are pigs? Running away from a claim instead of supporting it with evidence is the right thing to do?

Ranb
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Exactly so!

What would be the point?

Some high strung gun nuts have a unique way of always being high strung gun nuts regardless of the facts and logic that they are presented with.
 
Checkmite said:
Spoiler alert: He was trying to buy drugs, and had drug paraphernalia in his vehicle in addition to the flint pistol.
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No, no! He's a sweetheart. He lets other people in his community use his car all the time and is taking the SODDI (some other dude did it) defense on that.

Frankly, the accusations and counter-accusations are getting funny. There are all sorts of scenarios here, now.

I have no idea who to believe, but just a few....

> The cops are lying about the area being a known drug area and planted the "evidence" of the scales and the glass bags.
> The kindly old retired professor is really a gang-banger who distributes dope in his real life as an underworld kingpin.
> The police are desperate because of all the negative publicity and are making this all up (the prof has sort of said as much).
> It's Obama's Fault.
> It's Chris Christie's Fault. (not playing partisan favorites here)
> The kindly old professor is addicted - not to drugs but to 18th century artifacts. He sells smack on the side to support his antiquities jones.

Meanwhle, he's raised 19,000.00 of the 25,000.00 target. NRA News is covering it, so I'm betting he gets well over the 25K.

ETA: @gun collectors or antique collectors: What would a gun like that cost? It's described as Queen Anne at one point. Replicas are over $500. How much for an original. His outing that day was to collect it from a pawnshop, apparently. I should've included that in the bullets, above.... "he's pawning his precious antiques to support his heroin habit?"
 
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madurobob said:
That works if you have short passengers. With the seat all the way back - no room. Not without the passenger complaining.

But, its a little girlie car, so I carry a little girlie handgun in it... Sig 230. Seems appropriate.
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I'll give you that. The legroom difference passenger to driver is an odd problem. :)
 
dudalb said:
I have visions of the NJ State Police making a raid for illegal flintlock arms on a Revolutionary War reenactors camp at Monmouth or Princton.....
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That is silly, it would be raiding them as the travel back and forth as this seems to be about transport not ownership.
 
WildCat said:
The NRA has always differentiated between a career criminal possessing a gun and an otherwise law-abiding person who is possessing without a proper license.

It should be intent that matters, not possession. Possession without a license by someone fully qualified to get that license should not even be a crime, what other constitutional right does one need a license to exercise?
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So that is why it is impossible to prosecute sober people who kill though gross negligence in florida, they are presumably not career criminals but otherwise law abiding people and as such the NRA has their back.
 
Crossbow said:
Thanks for the response, but I still think that it actually supports what I was saying earlier.

After all, if the New Jersey gun law is so broad that it covers how an unloaded, antique, and probably unusable weapon must be transported, then that law does sound unconstitutional to me.

As for putting the weapon in the trunk of a car or in a locked box, I agree that is good practice, but it is not always a practical way to do so.

For example, I have a hatch back car that does not have a seperate locking trunk, nor do I have a locking box that is big enough to house all of these weapons. Therefore, a few weeks ago when I took several firearms to the shooting range then I could have been cited for doing so.
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So how should one legally be able to transport their weapons on their motorcycle to the gun range?

I am not overly concerned if some vehicles make the transportation of some weapons either difficult or impossible.
 
bruto said:
What strikes me in some of the arguments here is the inability to separate what might have been a reasonable initial perception of threat, and the continued process after the threat is gone. I can imagine how a policeman might have been taken aback by the initial appearance of the device in the glove compartment, flashed or not. I could even imagine how such a policeman might have overreacted in some unfortunate way. But it seems he did not. What did happen is that after it became clear that the gun was an unloaded antique, and the driver an elderly professor who collects antiques, the juggernaut seems to have been unstoppable. What ever happened to "oh, never mind?"
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But it seems that the officer could have been in serious trouble if he didn't arrest this man. If officers do not have that discretion then it was up to the prosecutor to use it. The charges are stupid.
 
ponderingturtle said:
So how should one legally be able to transport their weapons on their motorcycle to the gun range?

I am not overly concerned if some vehicles make the transportation of some weapons either difficult or impossible.
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Huh?

If you are so unconcerned about how one should legally transport their weapons, then you should not be asking me (or anyone else) for legal advice about how one should legally transport their weapons.
 
Crossbow said:
Huh?

If you are so unconcerned about how one should legally transport their weapons, then you should not be asking me (or anyone else) for legal advice about how one should legally transport their weapons.
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It is that I don't think there is a requirement that legal transport rules apply to all vehicles. If your choice in vehicles and hobbies is incongruous that isn't the problem of the law.

Kind of like how bad those laws are against people riding in the back up pick ups down the interstate. How else are you supposed to get everyone to where you are going?
 
ponderingturtle said:
So that is why it is impossible to prosecute sober people who kill though gross negligence in florida, they are presumably not career criminals but otherwise law abiding people and as such the NRA has their back.
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There is no exception for criminal negligence if a firearm is involved.

You keep repeating this in multiple threads even after being corrected, at this point I can only assume you're being intentionally dishonest.
 
ponderingturtle said:
It is that I don't think there is a requirement that legal transport rules apply to all vehicles. If your choice in vehicles and hobbies is incongruous that isn't the problem of the law.

Kind of like how bad those laws are against people riding in the back up pick ups down the interstate. How else are you supposed to get everyone to where you are going?
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So, do you have a question for me or not?

If so, then I still cannot understand just what it is that you are asking.
 
WildCat said:
There is no exception for criminal negligence if a firearm is involved.

You keep repeating this in multiple threads even after being corrected, at this point I can only assume you're being intentionally dishonest.
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It is just that negligence with a firearm is held to only be when drunk via case law. No matter how stupid ones actions are while sober they are not viewed as negligent.

I would honestly be shocked if killing your neighbors would be enough to force someone from stopping using their jurry rigged firing range in a trailer park in Florida. It seems unlikely.
 
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