Continuation Part 13: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[platonov]

I asked me. And me says that it's highly unlikely that this can happen. Google fails to refute me, but I'm open to new information.

Cantwell isn't doing this because she's american. It's because she thinks it's a wrongful conviction.

Well then you’re good to go. No point overreaching.

However, you might let Manders know – she appears to be contemplating marriage.
If you can convince her that such a step is unnecessary you will have earned the undying gratitude of her many admirers [& stockholders in Pacific NW train operators – I believe ticket sales are slightly down]

 

[sept79]

Well then you’re good to go. No point overreaching.

However, you might let Manders know – she appears to be contemplating marriage.
If you can convince her that such a step is unnecessary you will have earned the undying gratitude of her many admirers [& stockholders in Pacific NW train operators – I believe ticket sales are slightly down]

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[platonov]

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[Welshman]

The fake wiki is dangerous in that sucks in newcomers to the case by twisting and misrepresenting the evidence and what witnesses really said. I don't see a problem if they genuinely presented the prosecution's case based on what happened at the trials and it was all accurate. They're entitled to do that.

But the content (like the whole moving and undressing the body theory) and all the fake images they've made are a fantasy version they cooked up in their heads. There's even something on there about a second mop was used in the clean up and Amanda must have gotten rid of it.

If they wanted to present the prosecution's case then you'd think the starting point would be translating Crini's closing arguments and detailing it. Next would be using excerpts to show exactly what the witnesses said and supplying the page number so anyone can easily check for themselves.

Every page is filled with even the most basic of errors like what time Nara claimed to hear the scream. They've got 3 different times on 3 different pages. The luminol page says “On December 18, 2007 Deputy Commissioner Maurizio Arnone and Chief Inspector Claudio Ippolito went to the cottage to spray luminol on certain areas".

Arnone and Ippolito didn't spray any luminol. They were the video and camera guy who filmed and photographed the incompetence.

The stuff about the DNA is appalling. I dunno who the complete and utter moron is who wrote that but they get the knife samples mixed up and say Amanda's DNA on the handle was LCN and Sollecito's DNA on the clasp "wasn't even LCN" and the ‘inability to repeat the test is not a valid issue.’

They completely mix up the argument made about luminol and TMB and even the witness who made it. They say Steffi said blood is negative with TMB half the time (implying it's totally useless) when it was Sarah Gino who said luminol tests negative for blood with TMB half the time based on her own experience. In other words it gives a lot of false positives.

It's been nearly 2 years and they still haven't posted the actual killers March 2008 or May 2008 depositions or his Skype chat (not call) with Beneditti where he says "Amanda wasn't involved because he fought with a male and she wasn't there"

If those sort of errors were on the IIP site it'd be embarrassing. People would want them fixed. But the fake wiki is proud of it all. I think they believe it's all accurate but couldn't care less if it isn't.

It's all designed to muddy the waters. Then they've got the "massive evidence list" which isn't cited with page numbers. It's all just his own interpretation. The guy who wrote it thinks Kokomani is credible. I remember watching him try and put together a timeline.

I guess the only good thing is if anyone actually reads the primary sources they'll quickly see what's on the site is completely at odds with what's in the documents.

Machiavelli and other pgp constantly accuse Amanda of lying and Machiavelli defended the fake wiki which is full of lies. This is yet another example of Machiavelli's hypocrisy when it comes to lying.

 

[LondonJohn]

Well then you’re good to go. No point overreaching.

However, you might let Manders know – she appears to be contemplating marriage.
If you can convince her that such a step is unnecessary you will have earned the undying gratitude of her many admirers [& stockholders in Pacific NW train operators – I believe ticket sales are slightly down]

Platonov's sly insinuation that Knox might be contemplating marriage primarily (or solely) as a strategy designed to avert extradition (I suppose his "narrative" possibly also involves Knox "getting herself pregnant"....?) is unfortunately indicative of misanthropic, jaded, bitter thinking. But that's no surprise really, is it?

 

[LondonJohn]

As of course is Platonov's equally sly and nasty insinuation that Knox's marital status (or indeed relationship status) is of any emotional importance to most people who consider her to be a victim of a current/pending miscarriage of justice. But again, no surprises there.

 

[Desert Fox]

Well then you’re good to go. No point overreaching.

However, you might let Manders know – she appears to be contemplating marriage.
If you can convince her that such a step is unnecessary you will have earned the undying gratitude of her many admirers [& stockholders in Pacific NW train operators – I believe ticket sales are slightly down]

You did not answer why people prominent in the wrongful conviction legal community think that Ms Knox is innocent?

 

[Desert Fox]

Wanted to add this as a separate issue:

Assuming that Guede did not go downstairs, how long after the murder of Meredeth do you think he stayed there to wash off his leg and pants?

 

[Dan O.]

I believe the reason why Dan O. referred to them both as "fake", is that Wiki's are supposed to be user-editable.

The truth is that I call them both fakes because it is easier to type and I don't have to check the spelling. In reality, the IA wiki is not so much a fake but an imitation as they use scripts to make Wordpress superficially look like a wiki.

While the other wiki uses the same mediawiki software I am most familiar with, it's content, if not fake, is disingenuous.

And of course, mine is the one true wiki of this case

 

[Rolfe]

You started a wiki about Lockerbie about the same time as you started that one - when you were sucked away from the one true investigation into this Woozle-land! Actually, that was the first time I became aware of the Knox case - because you referenced both wikis on the same index page.

It always seemed to me like a good idea, but I think the effort involved when only a small handful of people would be contributing to it all seemed a bit much.

 

[Bill Williams]

Just when you think you've seen it all.

Harry Rag is now calling innocentisti "mentally ill".

Why?

Because Harry Rag says that it is a proven fact that Nencini is "being ironic" in calling Rudy Guede a professional burglar. Innocentisti are mentally ill because they cannot see irony in a legal document!

Aside from the fact that Nencini uses this professionalism to prove Rudy would never have broken in through Filomena's window.... does this mean that if Nencini is being ironic mean that Rudy actually did break in through that window?

And this is proof that innocentisti are mentally ill.

Sure Harry. Yeah sure.

 

[Samson]

I will continue to contend at least that threads may be ranked for importance according to a check list then. I will think about that list, it may have a place on your thread.
Meanwhile, on this obscure corner, I will post this from PMF, and use it to suggest that the battle for freedom for K/S requires a range of artillery, and second guessing how relevant and on topic a post may be, could leave an unguarded flank.

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Reply with quoteRe: XXXVI MAIN DISCUSSION THREAD OCT 29, 2014 -
by The Machine » 22 Feb 2015, 14:07

LaMotta wrote:
Contact Parents For Megan's Law to force Amanda Knox to sign the sexual offenders register:
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http://www.parentsformeganslaw.org/public/contactus.jsp

I've just sent them an e-mail. It took me a couple of minutes. This is the kind of thing I mean when I talk about making a difference.

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(my bolding) (The last sentence was The Machine/Harryrag)

ETA I find the concept so utterly repellant I would not foul the main thread with it.

 

[Dan O.]

Wanted to add this as a separate issue:

Assuming that Guede did not go downstairs, how long after the murder of Meredeth do you think he stayed there to wash off his leg and pants?

The washing of the pant leg would be pretty quick. In my reconstruction I see Rudy entering the bathroom to wash up twice. The first trip is just to wash his hands and grab a towel. The second trip is after he has made the first set of shoe prints on the pillow so has probably moved Meredith to the pillow. He has to take the bloody shoe off to clean it in the bathroom without leaving tracks there and back. It is this second trip where he has his shoes off that he leaves the partial bare footprint stepping out of the shower. Rudy returnes to Meredith's room perhaps just to pick up the knife but manages to step in more blood while still facing into the room. He turns and exits leaving the bloody shoeprint trail from the foot of the bed, into the living room. Rudy returns once more to Meredith's room to fetch her keys and then leaves.

I believe he is out of the house well before 10 and runs from the cottage as quick as he can. He may take the back streets home as he says, he knows this part of town well (except for where the phones are). Or he might have choosen to avoid contact with people entirely and gone out through the ravine behind the cottage. Somehow he ends up in the shadows of the city wall in park Sant' Angelo. This would be the first safe place for him to stop and think (or cry if he is human). He is here in the shadows when Meredith's phone connects to the distant cell tower thus fixing his location at 10pm.

 

[JREF2010]

Which will happen exactly when?

Who cares?

its a stupid Taliban type law against defending yourself in a courtroom.
The Calunnia charge is like something from some ignorant 15th Century Taliban system.

It means very little in the big picture, and I suspect there will be little concern for such a stupid charge.

In fact the Calunnia charge will raise a lot of awareness to the "Gestapo Nazi" like system Italy lives in fear of, and how this charge represents, by itself, the environment the Italian courts condemn people by.

and then to have Migninni investigate it to see if she was cuffed, is further proof of how ridiculous and vindictive this prosecutor and the Perugia Inbred system really is.

but have your fun jumping up and down about it....

 

[Rolfe]

As I said, I wasn't intending to belittle your efforts. I was just trying to provide context. I'm sure sending an email helps here and there. I think most of the influence is in the PR field though - otherwise we might have seen the defence teams use some of the material that has been elucidated in the forum.

I've taken several days off work to attend meetings with the police, in addition to providing several papers for the police, the SCCRC and journalists. I've been interviewed twice by Aljazeera and once by the BBC. All this was entirely as a result of what we figured out right here on the forum. It's entirely down to the discussion here that it was proved the Lockerbie bomb was introduced in London and not in Malta as the original investigation believed. The other people who had been looking at the case weren't even considering this aspect.

I'm not belittling what you're doing in any way, but the Knox thread isn't a special snowflake in this respect, and it really doesn't matter that an American is involved in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Desert Fox]

The washing of the pant leg would be pretty quick. In my reconstruction I see Rudy entering the bathroom to wash up twice. The first trip is just to wash his hands and grab a towel. The second trip is after he has made the first set of shoe prints on the pillow so has probably moved Meredith to the pillow. He has to take the bloody shoe off to clean it in the bathroom without leaving tracks there and back. It is this second trip where he has his shoes off that he leaves the partial bare footprint stepping out of the shower. Rudy returnes to Meredith's room perhaps just to pick up the knife but manages to step in more blood while still facing into the room. He turns and exits leaving the bloody shoeprint trail from the foot of the bed, into the living room. Rudy returns once more to Meredith's room to fetch her keys and then leaves.

I believe he is out of the house well before 10 and runs from the cottage as quick as he can. He may take the back streets home as he says, he knows this part of town well (except for where the phones are). Or he might have choosen to avoid contact with people entirely and gone out through the ravine behind the cottage. Somehow he ends up in the shadows of the city wall in park Sant' Angelo. This would be the first safe place for him to stop and think (or cry if he is human). He is here in the shadows when Meredith's phone connects to the distant cell tower thus fixing his location at 10pm.

If I am understanding, you are still arguing that it likely was at least 15 minutes and perhaps as long as half an hour from when he murdered Meredeth. I am guessing you tend to be on the lower number as most likely. I also assume that you do think is was longer than 5 minutes.

Italy is not a county with the death penalty and also believes in integrating people back into society. If I killed somebody in the heat of passion (anger) in such a situation, I would admit to the crime. Dragging two people who are innocent down with me is just evil. I think I would feel just so guilty that I could not do otherwise.

 

[Samson]

As I said, I wasn't intending to belittle your efforts. I was just trying to provide context. I'm sure sending an email helps here and there. I think most of the influence is in the PR field though - otherwise we might have seen the defence teams use some of the material that has been elucidated in the forum.

I've taken several days off work to attend meetings with the police, in addition to providing several papers for the police, the SCCRC and journalists. I've been interviewed twice by Aljazeera and once by the BBC. All this was entirely as a result of what we figured out right here on the forum. It's entirely down to the discussion here that it was proved the Lockerbie bomb was introduced in London and not in Malta as the original investigation believed. The other people who had been looking at the case weren't even considering this aspect.

I'm not belittling what you're doing in any way, but the Knox thread isn't a special snowflake in this respect, and it really doesn't matter that an American is involved in the grand scheme of things.

To clarify I have sent no emails, that is The Machine emailing everyone he can to make them think Amanda Knox must sign a register. I am pointing out that these people are intensively involved in an internet lobbying process.
I am essentially inactive except here, hoping a stray point made here and there might be picked up by activists, and help move a continent a millimeter.

 

[codyjuneau]

Just when you think you've seen it all.

Harry Rag is now calling innocentisti "mentally ill".
Why?

Because Harry Rag says that it is a proven fact that Nencini is "being ironic" in calling Rudy Guede a professional burglar. Innocentisti are mentally ill because they cannot see irony in a legal document!

Aside from the fact that Nencini uses this professionalism to prove Rudy would never have broken in through Filomena's window.... does this mean that if Nencini is being ironic mean that Rudy actually did break in through that window?

And this is proof that innocentisti are mentally ill.

Sure Harry. Yeah sure.

.
Methinks Harry projects a lot.

Cody
.

 

[platonov]

Oh, oh I know this one!

Just when you think you've seen it all.

Harry Rag is now calling innocentisti "mentally ill".

Why?

<snip>

Because he doesn’t post on ISF and thus is not bound by the MA.
Did I get it right?

Where’s my cookie

 

[Desert Fox]

Because he doesn’t post on ISF and thus is not bound by the MA.
Did I get it right?

Where’s my cookie

You never answered my question. . . . .
What are you thoughts on prominent wrongful conviction lawyers considering Amanda and Raff to be innocent?