Continuation Part 13: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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Machiavelli,

Thank you for being clear about the rot at the center of this case. It is for these sorts of reasons that the defense needs to have unfettered access to the electronic data. As an anonymous DNA forensic expert speaking about paper copies of the DNA forensic data said, “Certain parameters have irrevocably been applied to the data; as such it represents an interpretation by the laboratory rather than the original data.” A defendant should have the right to see and to challenge the evidence against him or her, and that principle is at risk in the Knox/Sollecito case.

The defence experts could go to Stefanoni's laboratory, open the data files, take note of the parameters applied.
Once there, they could also ask to investigate the same data in other ways, by changing parameters, to see what comes out. But this could be done only by opening an adversarial procedure, at the presence of all parties experts and magistrates. That would mean basically another incidente probatorio. This can be requested by parties, and/or ordered by the judge, but only if the judge himself deems it absolutely necessary for his/her decision.
 
Machiavelli,

Ms. Bongiorno addressed the court about the lack of discovery in late 2009. But look at what you have just admitted. Nearly a year into the case, and the defense has to ask for the peak areas? It is remarkable that the data were not produced with this sort of information easily available.

But all this is just procedure law. There was an incidente probatorio. Which means: there will be no dicussion on that scientific evidence during the trial debate. The defence might have asked for information about the peaks area or to analyze files, all during the incidente probatorio sessions.
And if they did not, they could have asked that later, but they would have to explain why they think the evidence is necessary and why they were unable to request for that evidence before.
 
Haha yes. What it actually says in its subtext is this:

"This guy has all he needs. If he's asking for more then he is flying in the face of "accepted" practice. Furthermore, what he's asking for can only be of relevance if he thinks I have lied (and I beseech you, your honour ;) ). But anyhow, because I'm so decent - and in spite of the horrific implied besmirching of my reputation and that of the Italian State Police - of course I'll give him what he's asking for if you (judge) insist that I do (but under impossible-to-fulfill conditions)."

But Novelli did come to the laboratory and see the files. Conditions were not impossible to fulfill.
 
Machiavelli, suppose that the semen stain on the pillow had been tested and it turned out to be attributed to Rudy. How would you explain it.

This is a very simple request that everyone can understand. But Machiavelli is not going to answer it. He cannot answer it. It goes to the very core of who Machiavelli is.

Stefanoni must have tested the semen stain:
1) She was videorecorded talking on her cell phone to an apparent lab colleague telling her there is a probable semen stain to test.
2). 4 days later the police arrested Sollecito and Lumumba and went in front of the camera to announce the arrests and declare "Case closed!". Matching it to Lumumba or Sollecito (in that order) would have been sensational evidence.

The test would have shown if it was semen or not. If semen, Stefanoni would know it did NOT match Sollecito or Lumumba, for if it did we would have heard about it. The police would have shouted it from the rooftops. If semen, then whose? Guede's? Meredith's downstairs boyfriend's? Another male's? (perhaps an amica's??? :p )

I'll write my conclusion using a double negative, the way Massei did in his motivation report when he had to address the statements from consultants and forensic experts who testified that the forensic evidence showed that one perpetrator could have committed the injuries to the victim.

I cannot believe that forensic officer Dr. Stefanoni did not test the semen stain to determine if it was human biological matter, type it as semen, determine DNA profile, and compare it to Lumumba's and Sollecito's DNA. Before Mignini had to back down and reluctantly release Lumumba, Mignini would have demanded to know if the stain was Lumumba's semen.

The story that the lab did not test the stain because they preferred to keep intact the bloody shoeprint on the pillow is an excuse to conceal that the stain was examined. (A swab of the stain could have been accomplished without damaging the shape, size, or sole tred-pattern of the bloody shoeprint on the pillow.)
 
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There is a press report from 2008 in which Vinci said words to the effect (and I am paraphrasing) that even if Amanda's DNA were on the clasp, it would be immaterial, because the clasp was contaminated. Therefore, it is only by mightily twisting his words does one obtain a suggesting that Amanda's DNA was actually there.
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That was in La Stampa, Oct. 27. 2008:

ottobre 27, 2008
Meredith, ultime battute: Raffaele scarica Amanda

Difesa Sollecito: sul gancetto del reggiseno di Mez ci sono tracce di Dna non solo di Raffaele ma anche di Amanda e Rudy.
Al via le repliche delle parti Attesa per la sentenza di Guede
Al via la replica dei pm, le contro-repliche delle parti civili e delle difese dei tre imputati per l’omicidio della studentessa inglese Meredith Kercher, che di fatto precedono il verdetto del rito abbreviato per Rudy Guede e la decisione sul rinvio a giudizio di Amanda e Raffaele

Il gioco al massacro tra le difese dei tre imputati rafforza l’impianto accusatorio. E quindi l’accusa ribadirà: è stata Amanda a sgozzare Mez e Rudy – che ha tentato di violentarla – e Raffaele hanno bloccato la studentessa inglese.

GUIDO RUOTOLO, INVIATO A PERUGIA
In quello che è sempre stato un processo mediatico, fino alla fine si consumano colpi di scena a ripetizione. Anche a poche ore dalla decisione (domani pomeriggio) del gup Paolo Micheli sui destini di Amanda, Raffaele e Rudy.

L’ultimo effetto speciale è un colpo basso della difesa di Raffaele Sollecito contro Amanda Knox. Ed è stato sferrato con una perizia depositata l’altro giorno dal professor Francesco Vinci che si spinge laddove la Scientifica non era arrivata: sul gancetto del reggiseno di Mez ci sono tracce di Dna non solo di Raffaele ma anche di Amanda e Rudy.

Un colpo di scena ad effetto speciale. Davvero, perché non consente neppure al gup di approfondire la novità, non potendo nominare un perito o riconvocare, a questo punto, la dottoressa Patrizia Stefanoni della Scientifica che, nell’udienza del 4 ottobre, aveva risposto a tutti i dubbi e le perplessità delle difese sui Dna e le impronte identificate nella casa di Amanda e Mez.

Il professore Francesco Vinci, in 14 pagine, arriva a questa conclusione: «Attesa l’estrema complessità interpretativa della traccia in oggetto (il Dna di Raffaele sul gancetto del reggiseno; ndr) che risulta costituita da una mistura di diversi Dna, ove oltre a una componente maggiore (quella della vittima) esistono altre componenti minori maschili e femminili (a loro volta presenti in concentrazioni differenti), è quindi impossibile o quanto meno estremamente aleatoria una univoca interpretazione, pertanto è da ritenersi che questa traccia non sia assolutamente utilizzabile ai fini probatori». Va detto che nelle pagine precedenti della sua perizia, Vinci identifica in Rudy e Amanda le altre presenze di Dna.
Oggi, nella sua replica, l’avvocato Giulia Bongiorno sosterrà, per contestare ulteriormente la «verità» della Scientifica, e cioè l’individuazione del Dna di Raffaele sul gancetto, l’unica traccia di una sua presenza sulla scena del crimine – evidentemente consapevole che non è sufficiente, per convincere il gup, la parola d’ordine della «contaminazione ambientale non volontaria» – parlerà di «metodo assassinocentrico» adottato dalla Scientifica. Il cosiddetto metodo «Random man not excluded» riconoscerebbe come compatibili tutti i profili di Dna già individuati. Non solo: in molti Stati americani, secondo la difesa, questo metodo è stato abbandonato perché considerato inattendibile.

Insomma, la difesa di Sollecito si giocherà il tutto per tutto, per tentare di ribaltare l’esito della decisione. Ma quello del gancetto non è il solo colpo basso degli avvocati di Raffaele, che hanno marciato uniti con quelli di Amanda per scaricare tutte le responsabilità della morte di Mez su Rudy Guede. Nella sua arringa difensiva di venerdì, l’avvocato Giulia Bongiorno aveva escluso che le impronte del piede destro trovate nel corridoio della casa fossero quelle di Raffaele – e neppure di Rudy, visto che sue erano soltanto le impronte della scarpa sinistra -, lasciando così intendere che anche per la lunghezza dell’impronta diversa da quella di Raffaele e Rudy, si doveva guardare altrove, insomma ad Amanda.

E a questo punto, la stessa accusa (i pm Comodi e Mignini) non potrà che riconfermare puntualmente le sue tesi, nella replica che svolgerà questa mattina. Perché, oggettivamente, il gioco al massacro tra le difese dei tre imputati rafforza l’impianto accusatorio. E quindi l’accusa ribadirà: è stata Amanda a sgozzare Mez e Rudy – che ha tentato di violentarla – e Raffaele hanno bloccato la studentessa inglese.

Strano questo «rito» perugino. Tutti contro tutti. La difesa di Guede, per esempio, sostiene che Rudy ha sentito l’urlo di Mez ed entrando nella sua stanza si è trovato a respingere l’aggressione di un uomo, mai identificato, e alla fine delle sue dichiarazioni a pillole ha detto di aver sentito la voce di Amanda e visto la sua ombra sulla porta di casa. Eppure i suoi legali hanno accusato Raffaele e Amanda di aver ucciso Mez. Un altro tentativo disperato di difesa. Secondo alcuni legali, infatti, loro non potevano fare questa invasione di campo così pesante. Avendo scelto il rito abbreviato, dovevano limitarsi a difendere Rudy. Era una scommessa quella accettata dal gup Micheli: celebrare il processo contro Rudy e, contemporaneamente, svolgere l’udienza preliminare sulla richiesta di rinvio a giudizio di Amanda Knox e Raffaele Sollecito. Il comportamento dei legali di Rudy, sostengono le altre difese, è stato scorretto, e, forse, ha superato il limite della deontologia professionale.

La Stampa 27 ottobre 2008

It says, Vinci has identified the extra alleles as belonging to Amanda Knox and Rudy Guede.

(I'm not saying Vinci's interpretation is correct. This is just what Sollecito's defence said).

Another article about the same hearing is from la Nazione Oct. 27 .2008.
In this article Ghirga makes an explicit reference to the "Y-chromosome extra alleles", as he maintains that "we - given that our client is a female - don't have to be concerned about the extra alleles, since they belong to the Y haplotype chart" (I paraphrase).

This can pnly mean the defence experts had all information about the Y-chromosome profiles, with their charts and with all the extra alleles (Vecchiotti did't reveal anything new in 2011)

La Nazione 27 ottobre 2008
IL DELITTO DI MEREDITH
Al via le repliche delle parti Attesa per la sentenza di Guede
Al via la replica dei pm, le contro-repliche delle parti civili e delle difese dei tre imputati per l’omicidio della studentessa inglese Meredith Kercher, che di fatto precedono il verdetto del rito abbreviato per Rudy Guede e la decisione sul rinvio a giudizio di Amanda e Raffaele

Perugia, 27 ottobre 2008 – Oggi è il giorno delle contro-repliche, che di fatto precedono il verdetto per il rito abbreviato per Rudy Guede e le decisione sul rinvio a giudizio di Amanda Knox e Raffaele Sollecito. I difensori del ragazzo pugliese hanno detto di non aver cambiato strategia e di puntare anche questa volta sulla contaminazione della presunta prova pricipale contro Raffaele: il reggiseno di Meredith, strappato secondo la Procura dai killer.”Sosteniamo da sempre – spiega l’avvocato Giulia Bongiorno – che il dna non sia di un singolo profilo genetico ma una mistura alimentata da una contaminazione in laboratorio (ovviamente involontaria) ma non utilizzabile processualmente”. L’avvocato Bongiorno aggiunge che le analisi del Dna sembrano seguire l’unica teoria dei Pm.

L’avvocato Nicodemo Gentile intanto, entrando in aula ha detto: ”A noi interessano gli atti del giudizio e questi dicono che gli assassini sono Amanda e Raffaele”. ”Quello che fanno gli avvocati di Sollecito – ha affermato il legale – non ci interessa. Noi abbiamo il nostro abbreviato e i nostri atti”. Secondo l’avvocato Walter Biscotti, altro difensore di Guede, la consulenza depositata dai legali del giovane pugliese ”suscita sicuramente un po’ di attenzione. Adesso vediamo – ha aggiunto – in che modo sarà argomentata in aula e quindi vedremo come
replicare”.

Ha preso invece atto dei risultati degli esami l’avvocato Luciano Ghirga, uno dei difensori di Amanda Knox. ”Non dobbiamo difenderci dai marcatori del cromosoma Y” si è limitato a dire il legale prima di entrare in aula.

La Nazione 27 ottobre 2008

https://wildgreta.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/meredith-ultime-battute-raffaele-scarica-amanda/
 
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I cannot believe that forensic officer Dr. Stefanoni did not test the semen stain to determine if it was human biological matter, type it as semen, determine DNA profile, and compare it to Lumumba's and Sollecito's DNA. Before Mignini had to back down and reluctantly release Lumumba, Mignini would have demanded to know if the stain was Lumumba's semen.

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Stefanoni summoned the prosecutors one day to decide which exhibits and which analysis she should carry on. She asked if they wanted to test the alleged semen stain, to see if it was semen and for DNA too, but she warned that the pillowcase could be damaged by the test (prints and further data could be lost). Comodi said no, let's wait, we can do that later.

The pillowcase was sent to print analysis team for a while. But then it appears this "later" became definitive; the prosecution never ordered the test to be carried on.
 
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Stefanoni summoned the prosecutors one day to decide which exhibits and which analysis she should carry on. She asked if they wanted to test the alleged semen stain, to see if it was semen and for DNA too, but she warned that the pillowcase could be damaged by the test (prints and further data could be lost). Comodi said no, let's wait, we can do that later.

The pillowcase was sent to print analysis team for a while. But then it appears this "later" became definitive; the prosecution never ordered the test to be carried on.


The varacity of this statement is suspect.
 
But Novelli did come to the laboratory and see the files. Conditions were not impossible to fulfill.


We're talking about Pascali here, not Novelli. You know, Pascali. The actual DNA expert retained by the defence.


But, putting that aside for one moment, when did Novelli come to the lab and see the EDFs? Surely you're not referring here to the initial observation, when it's clear that Novelli didn't know what to really look for (and before Knox and Sollecito had even appointed proper DNA experts)?

And when did Pascali gain access to the EDFs, as per his insistent (and repeated) request? When was that? The lovely Patrizia claimed that she was ready to give them to him. When did that happen again?
 
The defence experts could go to Stefanoni's laboratory, open the data files, take note of the parameters applied.
Once there, they could also ask to investigate the same data in other ways, by changing parameters, to see what comes out. But this could be done only by opening an adversarial procedure, at the presence of all parties experts and magistrates. That would mean basically another incidente probatorio. This can be requested by parties, and/or ordered by the judge, but only if the judge himself deems it absolutely necessary for his/her decision.

Well, either that, or she could just out in a disk and click on "copy".
 
Weren't there diluted blood drops leading outside to the downstairs apartment, and inside the downstairs apartment.
Although claimed as 'cats blood', the profiles did come back as human DNA, including two from a light switch (not a popular destination for cats), but all those DNA profiles from downstairs were suppressed.

There's a difference of opinion as to whether Guede went downstairs after he killed Meredith, I believe he did, others do not.

Also, IIRC, there was never a species specific blood test to determine if the 'cats' blood was in fact from a cat. Also, if it was this cat with a gushing gash to its ear (excuse me, but highly unlikely), it would be useful to test the blood DNA found, with DNA analysis from the cat hair to ascertain if they have in fact truly matched the cat in question.

I'm not suggeting there could be multiple cats responsible, nor if so, that they were in any way involved in the crime.

I suspect Stefanoni's team was overwhelmed with the quantity of evidence to be collected upstairs, downstairs, and outside. Within a day she knew that the police and Mignini suspected Knox was probably involved in some way, thus implying that it was an "upstairs" case and that physical evidence from upstairs was foremost.

If I remember correctly, Stefanoni and her team collected about 33 items of evidence (mostly blood stains) from the downstairs apartment. There was more to be collected, and a lot of testing that needed to be done from what had already been collected upstairs, downstairs, and outside. Stefanini tested some of the bloodstains from downstairs, but did not test them further to explore the DNA ithat tested human in the mixed samples. Collecting and testing more and more downstairs and outside evidence added to her already great burden, and would be secondary and minor. Stefanoni (having run out of tweezers :p ) had to cut somewhere, and she stopped assemblying additional evidence from downstairs. This case was going to be made with upstairs evidence.

She also knew that if there were several involved, which the police assumed to be the case, then the police would likely turn one suspect against the other and obtain incriminating confessions. Physical evidence, especially from outside and downstairs, would probably not be required for a conviction. And she stopped her downstairs effort. Had to cut somewhere.

She clearly did not expect to have her work critiqued and challenged by defense counsel and forensic experts in Italy and internationally the was it has been. This has been a nightmare for her. She would have done things differently, if she had only known.
 
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Really? Did he open up an incidente probatorio like you are now claiming the defense was required to do?

The incidente probatorio - as I said - would be necessary for making new research like changing machine settings.
Novelli visited Stefanoni's laboratory under her supervision. But he did so in fact after Hellmann opened a rinnovazione dibattimentale - a resuming of the evidence discussion phase.
Anyway the defence experts didn't come; they were obviously not interested in analyzing the files under Stefanoni's conditions.
 
Machiavelli,

Thank you for being clear about the rot at the center of this case. It is for these sorts of reasons that the defense needs to have unfettered access to the electronic data. As an anonymous DNA forensic expert speaking about paper copies of the DNA forensic data said, “Certain parameters have irrevocably been applied to the data; as such it represents an interpretation by the laboratory rather than the original data.” A defendant should have the right to see and to challenge the evidence against him or her, and that principle is at risk in the Knox/Sollecito case.

One thing is clear reading Machiavelli's stuff osmotically.

It became clear early on that de facto the defence was early on accusing Stefanoni of lying, but couldn't outright say it, because....

Well this is Italy. To outright say it would mean a calumny or defamation charge - while Stefanoni still controled and concealed the very data needed to prove it.

Machiavelli has de facto outlined that narrative here - the difference being he approves because it protects Mignini hiding behind what surely must befall Stefanoni .
 
The incidente probatorio - as I said - would be necessary for making new research like changing machine settings.
Novelli visited Stefanoni's laboratory under her supervision. But he did so in fact after Hellmann opened a rinnovazione dibattimentale - a resuming of the evidence discussion phase.
Anyway the defence experts didn't come; they were obviously not interested in analyzing the files under Stefanoni's conditions.

Is there a special word for when you go in and look at data from other cases, which was never made available to the defense? We have a word for this in English.
 
Weren't there diluted blood drops leading outside to the downstairs apartment, and inside the downstairs apartment.
Although claimed as 'cats blood', the profiles did come back as human DNA, including two from a light switch (not a popular destination for cats), but all those DNA profiles from downstairs were suppressed.

There's a difference of opinion as to whether Guede went downstairs after he killed Meredith, I believe he did, others do not.

Also, IIRC, there was never a species specific blood test to determine if the 'cats' blood was in fact from a cat. Also, if it was this cat with a gushing gash to its ear (excuse me, but highly unlikely), it would be useful to test the blood DNA found, with DNA analysis from the cat hair to ascertain if they have in fact truly matched the cat in question.

I'm not suggeting there could be multiple cats responsible, nor if so, that they were in any way involved in the crime.

I suspect that Stefanini's team was overwhelmed with the quantity of evidence to be collected upstairs, downstairs, and outside. Within a day she knew that the police and Mignini suspected Knox was probably involved in some way, thus implying that it was an "upstairs" case and that physical evidence from upstairs was paramount.

If I remember correctly, Stefanoni and her team collected about 33 items of evidence (mostly blood stains) from the downstairs apartment. There was more to be collected, and testing needed to be done from what had already been collected upstairs, downstairs, and outside, Collecting and testing more downstairs and outside evidence added to her burden, and might have seemed to Stefanoni to be secondary and minor. Stefanoni (having run out of tweezers :p ) had to cut somewhere, and she stopped collecting downstairs. This case was going to be made with upstairs evidence.

She also knew that if there were several involved, which the police assumed to be the case, then the police would likely turn one suspect against the other and obtain incriminating confessions. Physical evidence, especially from outside and downstairs, would probably not be required for a conviction. She stopped her downstairs effort. Had to cut somewhere.

She clearly did not expect to have her work critiqued and challenged by defense counsel and forensic experts in Italy and internationally the way it has been. This has been a nightmare for her. She would do things differently, if she had only known.
 
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Machiavelli,

Thank you for being clear about the rot at the center of this case. It is for these sorts of reasons that the defense needs to have unfettered access to the electronic data. As an anonymous DNA forensic expert speaking about paper copies of the DNA forensic data said, “Certain parameters have irrevocably been applied to the data; as such it represents an interpretation by the laboratory rather than the original data.” A defendant should have the right to see and to challenge the evidence against him or her, and that principle is at risk in the Knox/Sollecito case.


'Trust me' in regards to Stefanoni isn't an option when she has been known to lie in court about sample sizes and has demonstrated that she is quite willing to hide and conceal other critical information such as TMB testing.
 
Machiavelli is now expanding the "behind the scenes" explanations for things, in the run up to the March 25 Cassazione rulings. He's letting us in-on certain things which were otherwise unknown, to me at least.

For instance, instead of just saying, "Stefanoni was never asked to supply the EDFs," he's now saying that she tried to release them but the defence refused her conditions.

I may not have that exactly right, Machiavelli, so I apologize - it's not really the point I am trying to make.

Why is it that a "more full detail" of these kinds of things is coming out now!

I am old enough to remember Watergate. I remember later-on reading about John Dean's use of the term, "modified limited hangout." It was an attempt by the Nixon criminals to make certain admissions, by controling the release of potentially damaging material, all to mitigate some future accountability.

Why is Machiavelli engaging in a "modified limited hangout" at this time?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout
 
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The incidente probatorio - as I said - would be necessary for making new research like changing machine settings.
Novelli visited Stefanoni's laboratory under her supervision. But he did so in fact after Hellmann opened a rinnovazione dibattimentale - a resuming of the evidence discussion phase.
Anyway the defence experts didn't come; they were obviously not interested in analyzing the files under Stefanoni's conditions.

Has there be any thoughts about changing this? It seems impractical for both prosecution and defence. You have a crime scene with potentially many pieces of evidence, it seems the evidence cannot be processed until the defence are present. Since normally the evidence would be analysed over many days, this results in either really packed days or defence experts having to spend days standing around watching. This would seem to be hugely costly to the defence. With modern forensic science standing around and watching seems not hugely useful. As this case indicates what is really needed is the opportunity to spend time going through the results once produced (this means the electronic data not the paper output as this is an interpretation).

The way the system worked seems to have denied both prosecution and defence access to useful results, since only the print analysts and the biological analyst (Stefanoni) were called in no fibre analysis was ever done something that might have been very useful.
 
We're talking about Pascali here, not Novelli. You know, Pascali. The actual DNA expert retained by the defence.

Yes, the one who is currently under trial for a charge of writing a false expert report on the Elisa Claps case and concealing the DNA of Danielo Restivo.
His report was debunked by a court-appointed expert, Patrizia Stefanoni.

But, putting that aside for one moment, when did Novelli come to the lab and see the EDFs? Surely you're not referring here to the initial observation, when it's clear that Novelli didn't know what to really look for (and before Knox and Sollecito had even appointed proper DNA experts)?

Novelli came during the appeal, when Hellmann re-opened the evidence discussion phase on the bra clasp and knife DNA findings.

At the initial observation the defence expert was prof. Potenza. (I don't know what you mean by "proper" experts). However the appointment of experts is not really the most determinant thing, since 1) the defence can well object to that the incidente probatorio even takes place; and 2) access to the incidente probatorio evidence was virtually open until the closing of the investigation. In fact prof. Vinci did obtain easilly access to the pillowcase, and he did successfully use it for writing a print-analysis report about it.
The defence experts however did not request to test the alleged semen stain, neither they demanded to analyze the ED files (certainly not at Stefanoni's laboratory, that is through an adversarial procedure structured like an incidente probatorio, together with the other experts and parties).

And when did Pascali gain access to the EDFs, as per his insistent (and repeated) request? When was that? The lovely Patrizia claimed that she was ready to give them to him. When did that happen again?

Sorry, I made a mistake about the dates. I mistook a month for another. Pascali requested the ED files with a written sumission to the judhe on Sep. 27. (not October)
Stefanoni answered writing to the Judge on Sep. 30., and she offered to make the electronic data available to Pascali as in the letter, but only to analyze them under the same paramenters of observation used by the police in the incidente probatorio (or anyway within established standard parameters).

So, it was only subsequently, on Oct. 4., when Bongiorno said she had obtained what she had previously requested, but now she wanted the peak areas (if I remember correctly she said "either the peak areas or the log files", something equivalent).

Also on Oct. 4. Stefanoni deposited the negative control files about one of the two items.

However, it appears Pascali did not pick Stefanoni's offer that he come at the laboratory and analyze himself the EDF data.
In fact this was not the first time Stefanoni told parties experts that they may request to visit the laboratory and access the data. As I said, the only expert who used that opportunity during the investigation was prof. Vinci.
 
First, there has been indeed one Sollecito's consultant who hinted at contamination from Knox's DNA on the clasp.
Second, but more important, the Y profile chart was available to Sollecito's defence since before the beginning of October 2008, if we believe Bongiorno when she said, on Oct. 4., that the defence had finally managed to obtain the charts the requested.
There was a defence report submitted on Oct.24. about that.
But then there was a subsequent request, from Prof. Pascali to the judge, by which he requested to have also the electronic data files, that he called "log files". Stefanoni answered to the judge saying she was ready to make the electronic data files available to the defence just like she did with the image files, but she put the condition that basically can only be interpreted as follows: that the defence would analyse those data files through the same computer, software and settings ("parameters") that the Scientific Police used, which implies: analyze them in her laboratory or under their supervision.
So Stefanoni said yes to this request too, she only put a condition on this.
After that, the judge decided the data were not indispensable to his decision, and the defence did not go forward with their request (they didn't go to the lab).

What authority does Stefanoni have to set conditions? Why would she do this other than to be obstructive?
 
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