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The Shrike said:
One of the biggest misconceptions about scientists is that we are in lock-step with each other to preserve the "dogma". People don't get that we benefit far more from publishing papers that go against the grain as opposed to with it. The frustrating part is how often I've explained that to bigfooters only to have them continue with their mischaracterization. This is another reason why skeptics can find BLAARGing to be a better explanation for these behaviors than ignorance and honest delusion. These folks do know better but it doesn't change their messaging in the slightest.

That said, I have shared many amicable lunches with > 3 scientists.
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Yes, friendly lunches quite common. Oh, dinners, breakfasts, happy hours and booze sessions too. We use these opportunities to trace our evil plans to keep the sheeple at bay, to suppress the truth about bigfoot, UFOs, homeopathy, Nessie, Slenderman, crystal power, Atlantis, the Hollow Earth, ancient Hebrew and European presence in North America and the Moon landing. We also create new strategies to discredit Young Earth Creationism and anti-Darwinism. If time allows, we discuss new ways to increase the power and influence of LGBT and anti-Christian lobbies.
 
dmaker said:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/29/asia/t...sil/index.html

Chris, why don't you explain to us all how this helps to demonstrate extant 9 ft monkeys munching on pine bark in plain sight, yet escaping confirmation?
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X2.

Please explain what this discovery of an actual thing has to do with stories about an entity that has no physical evidence in its favor, despite alleged continent-wide distribution?
 
rockinkt said:
I keep seeing references to "Daniel Boone: The Life and Legend of an American Pioneer" Faragher (1992) wherein the author purportedly reports Boone shooting a Bigfoot-like creature.

I have yet to see the actual story as written and what the author bases his story on.

Can you help with this Chris?
Thanks.
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ChrisBFRPKY said:
Certainly.

Faragher, J. M. 1992. Daniel Boone: The Life and Legend of an American Pioneer. New York:
Henry Holt & Company
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Chris – with all due respect – I know how to find a book once I know the title and the name of the author .

I just don't want to purchase and read an entire book to find one small passage that is the center point of a claim that is being debated.

What I want is where the author writing in 1992 got the story from and what the story actually states.

So far - all I have been able to find are references to the same blog that your website refers to. To put it mildly - the blog is bereft of any details of the actual story.

Given that you have decided that this story is a very significant part of the "evidence" of Bigfoot from the past - I assume you have actually read the the passage from the book we are discussing and can therefore give me the details I ask.


Trotti, H. H. 1994. Did fiction give birth to Bigfoot? SKEPTICAL INQUIRER 18(5): 541-2
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Again - just quotes the blog you did without any details of the actual claim at all.


If you wish to study the comparisons Boone used taken from Swift's Gulliver's Travels, Teddy Roosevelt also discusses some of these in his book:
Daniel Boone’s Move to Kentucky (1897) Theodore Roosevelt
(Should be available at Amazon)

But if you're interested in Bigfoot stories from prominent Americans, I'd also recommend another one of Roosevelt's books called "The Wilderness Hunter" which should be available at Amazon as well. Even if you don't care for Bigfoot, it's a very interesting read. Teddy R. was a heck of a man even back in his day.
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Even as a Canadian - I can admire Teddy Roosevelt. My father owned "The Wilderness Hunter" and I remember him reading it to me as a child. Over the years the book was lost - but with my father's recent passing - I will purchase it in his memory and re-read it. Thanks for reminding me. :)
 
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ChrisBFRPKY said:
here is quite a bit of difference when comparing Daniel Boone to Rick Dyer. One was a major historic figure whose praises are many
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Daniel Boone was praised as an outdoors-man, someone who could rough it and navigate without getting lost with no roads. This is not quite as hardy as Thomas Jefferson's father, Peter, who it was said was content to sleep on the bare ground and eat raw meat. Peter worked as a surveyor. When Daniel was 16, his family moved to the Yadkin River valley which had previously been surveyed by Peter. Daniel later worked as a surveyor like Peter. The most famous thing he did was lead a group to rescue his daughter and two other girls who had been captured by Shawnee in 1776. Daniel served under George Rogers Clark (whose memorial is in Vincennes Indiana) in 1780 during the Revolutionary War.

Daniel Boone was not much different from other men of his era. He served as sheriff and in the Virginia legislature. Many accounts of his life have been exaggerated. It's interesting that there were no accounts of bigfoot from George Rogers Clark or from Peter Jefferson or any of the thousands of other men who visited, hunted, and settled in the same areas.

I'd also recommend another one of Roosevelt's books called "The Wilderness Hunter" which should be available at Amazon as well. Even if you don't care for Bigfoot, it's a very interesting read. Teddy R. was a heck of a man even back in his day.
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Yes, Teddy was quite an outdoors-man. And, strangely enough he never once claimed to see any evidence of bigfoot.
 
The Shrike said:
I saw that article but it's impossible. I've been assured by bigfooters on many occasions that one cannot find anything unless one is specifically looking for it.

Otherwise, it looks like we might have another hominid. Cool.
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Well to be fair, it was found by a fisherman. The researchers picked it up at an antique shop........

dmaker said:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/29/asia/t...sil/index.html

Chris, why don't you explain to us all how this helps to demonstrate extant 9 ft monkeys munching on pine bark in plain sight, yet escaping confirmation?
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Certainly, it confirms we don't yet know everything there is to learn about our past and specifically, multiple species of Hominids as yet to be discovered.

Resume said:
X2.

Please explain what this discovery of an actual thing has to do with stories about an entity that has no physical evidence in its favor, despite alleged continent-wide distribution?
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See above......

rockinkt said:
Chris – with all due respect – I know how to find a book once I know the title and the name of the author .

I just don't want to purchase and read an entire book to find one small passage that is the center point of a claim that is being debated.

What I want is where the author writing in 1992 got the story from and what the story actually states.

So far - all I have been able to find are references to the same blog that your website refers to. To put it mildly - the blog is bereft of any details of the actual story.

Given that you have decided that this story is a very significant part of the "evidence" of Bigfoot from the past - I assume you have actually read the the passage from the book we are discussing and can therefore give me the details I ask.





Again - just quotes the blog you did without any details of the actual claim at all.





Even as a Canadian - I can admire Teddy Roosevelt. My father owned "The Wilderness Hunter" and I remember him reading it to me as a child. Over the years the book was lost - but with my father's recent passing - I will purchase it in his memory and re-read it. Thanks for reminding me. :)
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I'm sorry but I'm not aware of an online source for viewing the publications page by page. I did a google search and only found purchase links.

Your local Library will likely have some of them. Ebay is another good book source. I did see one hard copy of "The Wilderness Hunter" on Ebay for $20 but most seem to be nearing $50 now.

barehl said:
Daniel Boone was praised as an outdoors-man, someone who could rough it and navigate without getting lost with no roads. This is not quite as hardy as Thomas Jefferson's father, Peter, who it was said was content to sleep on the bare ground and eat raw meat. Peter worked as a surveyor. When Daniel was 16, his family moved to the Yadkin River valley which had previously been surveyed by Peter. Daniel later worked as a surveyor like Peter. The most famous thing he did was lead a group to rescue his daughter and two other girls who had been captured by Shawnee in 1776. Daniel served under George Rogers Clark (whose memorial is in Vincennes Indiana) in 1780 during the Revolutionary War.

Daniel Boone was not much different from other men of his era. He served as sheriff and in the Virginia legislature. Many accounts of his life have been exaggerated. It's interesting that there were no accounts of bigfoot from George Rogers Clark or from Peter Jefferson or any of the thousands of other men who visited, hunted, and settled in the same areas.


Yes, Teddy was quite an outdoors-man. And, strangely enough he never once claimed to see any evidence of bigfoot.
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I think Boone's life was quite productive without the need for exaggeration.

As far as Roosevelt never reporting a visual sighting, I believe you are correct. He did however report unknown sounds from a terrible beast while on a hunting trip though. This from a man who knew his wilderness sounds. And let's not forget the Bauman trapper story came from Roosevelt, that was a good one. Chris B.
 
burmballgeetar said:
I don't think Chris is trolling. I think that he feels like he's pioneering something.

He isn't trolling...he's making a much bolder step than most Footers and exposing himself to critical and skeptical thoughts. He isn't trolling and his intentions are good, in my opinion.

I know that the sentiment here doesn't run towards the "let's be patient with the children" idea of dealing with footers. Many of them are completely unable to understand the concept of evidence that isn't circumstantial
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The problem is that this isn't about circumstantial evidence. This is what Chris said here: http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/topic/4986-observed-behaviors

ChrisBFRPKY said:
Posted 25 April 2011 - 08:12 AM

April 2010 I was out on a trek with my wife. I was lucky enough to get to observe a creature for about 2 minutes. The creature was sitting down and it had a limb in its hands about 8 feet long and about 3 inches in diameter. It was very readily eating the bark from the limb and licking the yellow pine underneath with great enthusiasim after the bark was eaten. It was like it was enjoying something that was very delicious. I also noticed it's tongue was very long as it licked the limb. That also struck me as odd. A series of storms kept me out of the area for about a week. So due to all the rain, I did not collect the limb for DNA samples when I returned for the followup. Some have suggested I should have confronted the creature and collected the limb after it ran away, but I don't operate that way.
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I would have to agree with Shrike. There doesn't seem to be much room here for mistaken identification. Unless Chris was taking hallucinogens, this seems to be clear deception. The fact that he says that he saw bigfoot again on other occasions with other people likewise suggests deception. Can you think of any way that this could be an honest intent on his part?
 
So many threads about a non existent creature.... really clutters the place up.

Chris, just admit that you are an attention seeker and that the best you can come up with is to pretend to believe in a magic monkey man.

Every sane person on this planet is capable of understanding that there is no such thing as Bigfoot. Children laugh at adults who waste their lives promoting this fantasy.

Seriously, get a new hobby because your faux belief in this nonsense is nothing short of an embarrassment to humans with fully functioning brains.

It's boring!
Just to clarify what other posters have said to you:
There is no such thing as Bigfoot.
Never has been.
Never will be.
 
Resume said:
Like any boogeyman, werewolf, mermaid story: a story.
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Now that's a complete lack of attempt to try and determine the identity of the creature in the story without bias. Boone said he shot and killed a 10 foot tall Yahoo. In Swift's novel the Yahoo were a tribe of hairy man-like giants. I speculate Boone shot and killed something described as a hairy man-like giant 10 feet tall, that description would match the description of Bigfoot exactly, you claim confirmation bias. I just ask, what else could it have been to match that description if not Bigfoot? Only other subject I can think of to match that description would be a Gorilla but the height falls way short. And your thoughts?
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Are you able to understand the difference between fictional books and real life ChrisB?

Just asking because several posts ago you quoted an author who in his book, said /paraphrase "Boone told tall tales"
Yet you cited that quote as if it would make your fantasy more believable!
 
The Yahoos are hairy man-like creatures in Jonathan Swift’s Gulliver’s Travels, one of Boone’s favorite books. Boone and his explorer companions, it should be noted right from the get-go, threw around many of the terms used in that book rather liberally.

“[Boone] was encamped with five other men on Red River,” Theodore Roosevelt relates in his Daniel Boone’s Move to Kentucky (1897), “and they had with them for their amusement ‘the history of Samuel Gulliver’s travels, wherein he gave an account of his young master, Glumdelick, careing [sic] him on a market day for a show to a town called Lulbegrud.’

“In the party who, amid such strange surroundings, read and listened to Swift’s writings was a young man named Alexander Neely. One night he came into camp with two Indian scalps, taken from a Shawnee village he had found on a creek running into the river; and he announced to the circle of grim wilderness veterans that ‘he had been that day to Lulbegrud, and had killed two Brobdignags in their capital.’ To this day the creek by which the two luckless Shawnees lost their lives is known as Lulbegrud Creek.”
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Must be a coincidence that Boone and company killed Brobdignags as well as Yahoos.

Chris, we know what you think the Yahoos were. What were the Brobdignags?

http://www.appalachianhistory.net/2010/07/yeahoh-yahoo-or-bigfoot.html
 
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barehl said:
The problem is that this isn't about circumstantial evidence. This is what Chris said here: http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/topic/4986-observed-behaviors



I would have to agree with Shrike. There doesn't seem to be much room here for mistaken identification. Unless Chris was taking hallucinogens, this seems to be clear deception. The fact that he says that he saw bigfoot again on other occasions with other people likewise suggests deception. Can you think of any way that this could be an honest intent on his part?
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Yes, that account of a Bigfoot eating pine bark is 100% accurate.
Yes, the multiple witness account is 100% accurate.
What about those accounts suggests deception? Are you so certain in your beliefs that these creatures do not exist that anyone who has seen them in the flesh can only be hallucinating, or lying? How certain are you? I absolutely know they exist. But, I encourage everyone to remain skeptical until they see one for themselves. That's what it took for me.

ComfySlippers said:
So many threads about a non existent creature.... really clutters the place up.

Chris, just admit that you are an attention seeker and that the best you can come up with is to pretend to believe in a magic monkey man.

Every sane person on this planet is capable of understanding that there is no such thing as Bigfoot. Children laugh at adults who waste their lives promoting this fantasy.

Seriously, get a new hobby because your faux belief in this nonsense is nothing short of an embarrassment to humans with fully functioning brains.

It's boring!
Just to clarify what other posters have said to you:
There is no such thing as Bigfoot.
Never has been.
Never will be.
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If you don't want to see or read my reply, don't engage the conversation and you won't have to. Easy.

LTC8K6 said:
How about some similar evidence for bigfoot?
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Who knows what will come of this jaw bone. That may be it.
Regardless, I'm sure more will follow.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
I just ask, what else could it have been to match that description if not Bigfoot? Only other subject I can think of to match that description would be a Gorilla but the height falls way short. And your thoughts?
Chris B.
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My thoughts are that there is no NA fauna that matches this campfire story, nor is there any physical evidence for such a creature, so it seems quite apparent that you are attempting to use one campfire story to validate the existence of the creature in your campfire story.

What you need for a start is some sort of biological evidence for your stories, if not a type specimen. Neither of these seem imminent. What seems most likely is that Boone's creature, like yours, is a folk tale.
 
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ComfySlippers said:
Are you able to understand the difference between fictional books and real life ChrisB?

Just asking because several posts ago you quoted an author who in his book, said /paraphrase "Boone told tall tales"
Yet you cited that quote as if it would make your fantasy more believable!
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My fantasy, that's rich. To recap, we were discussing a claim made by Daniel Boone. Did you have something to add or do you wish to leave the conversation with the proclamation that everything Daniel Boone ever said or did was a tall tale? Personally, I think that's a highly inaccurate view.
Chris B.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
My fantasy, that's rich. To recap, we were discussing a claim made by Daniel Boone. Did you have something to add or do you wish to leave the conversation with the proclamation that everything Daniel Boone ever said or did was a tall tale? Personally, I think that's a highly inaccurate view.
Chris B.
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Erm. I'll recap for YOU.
I know it's difficult for you to keep your story straight, but you yourself quoted from a book where the author says that Boone told tall tales.
How you think that helps your personal fantasy is beyond me.

I couldn't give a carp about tales of Boone, in the same way I don't treat tales about Robin Hood or King Arthur to be real.

That you believe such myths is indicative as to your childlike belief in non existent monkey men.

You do know that Harry Potter is fictional?
 
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