Couldn't you also post the copy/paste stuff for others' benefit?
Harrit sues paper for defamation
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Couldn't you also post the copy/paste stuff for others' benefit?
Feel free.
ETA - Harritt's partner is an anti-Semitic idiot for posting the photos that I shared. I don't need any more evidence. What you are doing is "moving the goalposts." I don't require any more evidence that she is a paranoid loon (i.e., "chemtrails") or an anti-Semite (see what I posted). If you require more evidence, that is your problem. As a 9/11 Truther, I don't expect that you will do any work, research, or even a simple google search. Moreover, I expect and predict that you will pretend not to understand this post, or even more likely ignore it. Whatever.
ETA - Harritt's partner is an anti-Semitic idiot for posting the photos that I shared. I don't need any more evidence. What you are doing is "moving the goalposts." I don't require any more evidence that she is a paranoid loon (i.e., "chemtrails") or an anti-Semite (see what I posted). If you require more evidence, that is your problem. As a 9/11 Truther, I don't expect that you will do any work, research, or even a simple google search. Moreover, I expect and predict that you will pretend not to understand this post, or even more likely ignore it. Whatever.
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Ape of Good Hope
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I think it might be a bit too late for that ?
Ape of Good Hope
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I understood your post, but I can't respond to it because there isn't anything to respond to as far as I can see. You have stated your view of the evidence and told me in not so many words that that's all you're going to say on the matter. So, yes I suppose I'm going to ignore it - but what else can I do?
The next post that you make should be "Thanks carlitos and Oystein. You make a good point. Harritt and his partner seem to be anti-Semitic conspiracy loons."
Oystein didn't do anything helpful and I've already thanked you for posting the pictures I wanted to see.
I should probably say at this point that I'd never heard of Pernille Grumme before today - I knew Niels Harrit had a wife that was involved in protesting but that's all. I've just watched that video of them both and she doesn't seem to speak very good English - maybe she misinterpreted the first image (without it for context I wouldn't have said there was anything anti-Semitic in image 2 or 4 and I didn't see anything in image 3) or maybe she didn't know what 'Goyim' was?
I will indeed say 'You make a good point' once you've actually made it - show me some writing of hers (or Harrit's) that is anti-Semitic. I've already said that I agree with JSanderO that there does seem to be a pattern suggesting anti-Semitism from the initial post by Oystein.
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You didn't thank me either, I helped you with a youtube interview with Harrit and Grumme, with info about the Rothschild CTs, with links to the anti-semitic section of that Age Of Truth CT site, and some reasoning as to why it's not too smart of Grumme to be posting that kind of stuff on Facebook!
Nobody ever thanks me
(Pernille Grumme is also a member of the Age of Truth Facebook group, but you're probably ignoring me so you're not reading this)
I'm sorry - thank you for that.
carlitos - I am doing something. Well, at least I think I am. I take the position that it's up to the person making the accusation to provide satisfactory proof that it's true. I'm trying to get evidence I'm satisfied with by asking for further clarification, something that shouldn't be a problem if what Oystein is claiming is true, namely that Grumme is anti-Semitic.
I am satisfied that the evidence presented shows a worrying tendency towards being comfortable with reproducing images that have an anti-Semitic slant on Grumme's part but not evidence of anti-Semitism itself on Grumme's part. I'd like to know what she said about the images.
LSSBB
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We are not mind readers, nor are you. You can only judge a person by their words and actions. Her words and actions are anti-semitic. I, frankly, am not surprised. I see it all the time with 9/11 conspiracists. It started long ago with the "Jews warned to stay home" garbage, and it continues to this day. Not all Truthers are antisemitic. What disturbs me is the acceptance among those that (I am guessing )aren't, of those that are.
Why not just set up a facebook account ? When you have found out what she says please can you tell me.
It's not an unreasonable request for me to ask.
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Harrit? I haven't seen Harrit make antisemitic statements. Perhaps I missed something this time?
His being interviewed by a shady outfit doesn't count in my book. We can't simply assume he was aware of the background (if there is an antisemitic background, which I didn't look into).
Because it isn't my burden of proof, as I've said. I'm not making any claims about this person. I am not claiming that she is anti-Semitic. I am not claiming that she is not anti-Semitic, and indeed I have stated that the re-posting of the first image in the list particularly points in that direction.
I am totally at a loss to understand why my request to post more of her anti-Semitism as further proof against her would be met with such resistance.
I often compare the "truthers" v "truth" situation with the "creationists" v "evolution" argument.
In both situations one side has all the evidence - the other side has nothing.
There is a thread here trying to compare the "best arguments" from both sides of the "truth" discussion. Just as with creationism/evolution it is a false comparison. There is no "truther" argument - no truther "side". BTW that is their own strategic mistake of basing their claim on technical falsehoods such as CD at WTC. Easily disproved in an objective forum. So I would like to see a "truther case" before a US Federal court rather than a Danish one.
Have you read the transcript and judgement for Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District that one is "Intelligent Design v Evolution" tried in the US federal Jurisdiction. Well worthy of a read if you want to see people of the level and style of truthers confronted in the hard objective setting of a court room with cross examination. Simply put 9/11 truth nonsense would be destroyed if anyone tried to defend it in a court scene. It is the last thing any intelligent truthers would want. (Did I just write "intelligent truther" - sorry about the oxymoron)
The big difference however is that imposition of religion is covered by the First Amendment - Lying for 9/11 Truth is not. My knowledge of US Constitution Law is not good enough to go any deeper.
But the big shock to the truther clowns we see around here is that in a Court setting they would not get away with most of the nonsense we allow them to post on this forum. Circling and evasions would put them at risk of "Contempt of Court" and lying would be readily exposed. IIRC that happened with at least one of the religious witnesses in Kitzmiller.
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And if her actions include posting anti-Semitic rants by others, those rants become her words, her comments. She's not posting this stuff and then disavowing it by saying "lol, look at this crazy stuff!" She posts nutty chemtrail stuff, it's a fair inference she believes in it- there's no need for her to specifically add her own comment saying so to think she does.
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Pernille Grumme is perhaps not the worst in antisemitisme that can be found within the Danish truth movement.
One thing is sure though, they pretty much all seem to blame Israel for 9/11 and everything else bad in the World and outright holocaust denial is not uncommon.
Pernille Grumme is Harris partner and has been for years. She was the one who showed Harrit a truther video (9/11 mysteries) and got him started back in 2006.
The video was sent anonymously (she claims it was anonymously, i am not so sure) to Grumme by Brian Fløe of the Danish truth movement. Brian Fløe is also the one who started the danish petition for a new investigation 6 years ago, there are currently 692 signatures, so moving quite slow.
The funny thing is that Harrit repeatedly says that he saw the video by accident, but Grumme admitted that they sat down and watched it together, after she recieved the video from Brian.
One thing is sure though, they pretty much all seem to blame Israel for 9/11 and everything else bad in the World and outright holocaust denial is not uncommon.
Pernille Grumme is Harris partner and has been for years. She was the one who showed Harrit a truther video (9/11 mysteries) and got him started back in 2006.
The video was sent anonymously (she claims it was anonymously, i am not so sure) to Grumme by Brian Fløe of the Danish truth movement. Brian Fløe is also the one who started the danish petition for a new investigation 6 years ago, there are currently 692 signatures, so moving quite slow.
The funny thing is that Harrit repeatedly says that he saw the video by accident, but Grumme admitted that they sat down and watched it together, after she recieved the video from Brian.
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When I posted yesterday, I was rather upset. About Pernille, about other truthers that I have seen in recent weeks being frank and free about their hatred of jews. It was the 70th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz. I had followed a few of the speeches made there during the afternoon, and I was ... upset.
Had you saud right away that you can't look into her Facebook account when you asked for more examples, Imight not have slapped you left and right like I did. If you could see here posting history, you would not have asked - I simply supposed that you could.
When you told me you could not, I was already too upset.
