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Continuation Part 12: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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The Kerchers have clearly been advocating for guilt of two innocent people, and they have 10 million reasons to do so, otherwise known as euros.

They may well be blinded be grief. But It's hard not to see them as also blinded by the prospect of financial gains, however unjustly acquired.

The Kercher's grief doesn't justify injustice against the innocent. Fairly obvious to say. But those who won't think through the case, can't be expected to grasp the injustice.

I think the UK government should do more to help the Kerchers understand they have made a terrible mistake. The Kerchers need to hear it from someone they can trust.

I see how a number of bad taste comments against the Kerchers is immediately prompted as soon as one mentions their existence as parties in the trial.

Those kind of foolish rants should be kept for better grounds and better causes. Alien invasions, things like that.

Especially remarkable that they come from somoene who praises folks like the liar Preston and convicted liar Spezi.

Reasonable people may easilly come to the conclusion that the Kerchers could have no realistic expectation of financial gain from the conviction of Sollecito and Knox. Albeit it is right that they seek damages, even if they will never be paid (and if somthing is paidit would be insufficient to even cover the sustained legal expenses), because acknowledgment of damage award is essential part of what justice consists of after all.
 
Reasonable people may easilly come to the conclusion that the Kerchers could have no realistic expectation of financial gain from the conviction of Sollecito and Knox. Albeit it is right that they seek damages, even if they will never be paid (and if somthing is paidit would be insufficient to even cover the sustained legal expenses), because acknowledgment of damage award is essential part of what justice consists of after all.

It is not an essential part of justice that innocent college students pay damages when the corrupt Italian legal system should be paying all concerned.
 
Machiavelli said:
And the assertion that Massei presented a "Rudy's lust alone" motive as opposed to the prosecution's theory, is also disproven, by simply reading Massei's statements about Knox and Sollecito at pages 393, 399 and 405, where you can obviously see how your interpretation, about the implication you chose to attribute to the paragraph "Rudy didn't need encouragement to pursue his lustful action", is a wrong implication.Your interpretation is proven to be your own arbitrary twisting and false. But you have a peculiar attitude, a way of thinking; not just about this or that passage, but overall strange ideas about what you think a motivations report should talk about or what "evidence" and "motive" is.

Machiavelli - it is strange the way you argue, Please see this quote from the Massei report:

Massei p. 392 said:
It is not possible, however, to know if Rudy went to Meredith’s room on his own
initiative, almost subjugated by the situation which he interpreted in erotic terms
(the two young lovers in their room and Meredith who was on her own in the room
right next to it) or, instead, he went to Meredith’s room at the urging of Amanda
and/or Raffaele.

This Court is inclined towards the first hypothesis.

It cannot see, in fact, the motive for such an invitation on the part of Amanda Knox
and/or of Raffaele Sollecito. Besides, Rudy does not seem to have needed to be encouraged to make advances toward Meredith. Abukar Barrow [who was]
interrogated on 11 December 2007 (and whose testimony was acquired with the
consensus of the parties) testified that Rudy, above all when he was drunk or under
the effects of drugs, ‚bothered people, especially young women. He blocked them
off physically and tried to kiss them‛.
Nevertheless, it should also be considered, and this seems to be the most probable
hypothesis, that Rudy decided on his own to enter Meredith’s room​

I'm now bracing myself for a response from you which explains why this doesn't say what it says.
 
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Hilarious aside #3275:

1) Seattle-based stand-up comedian tweets humorously about the "special guests" for his upcoming one-man stand-up night, one of whom is Amanda Knox

2) A certain internet commentator finds this tweet (God knows how, since it's not even hashtagged to Knox - this particular commentator certainly must be extremely (and disturbingly) obsessed with tracking mentions of Knox on the internet......).

3) Said internet commentator broadcasts the "news" as a serious advertisement of Knox appearing on a TV show of some sort in Seattle. Clearly even the most rudimentary research skills are beyond this individual....

4) Other internet commentators react in a mixture of astonishment and disgust at this "news" (which, remember, was nothing more than a very obvious joke from the very start)

5) Some internet commentators even go so far as to identify this "news" as evidence of a "Knox PR campaign" in the run-up to the Italian Supreme Court ruling in March

6) Other internet commentators still seem unsure as to whether it's a genuine interview with Knox or what it actually is: a humorous tweet written in the style of a TV chat show host, to advertise an upcoming one-man stand-up show. They err on the side of vilification :-)


I suppose that vindictiveness, hatred and low levels of common sense are good bedfellows.........................

There is a pattern. Envy and low achievement may be part of the picture.
 
It is not an essential part of justice that innocent college students pay damages when the corrupt Italian legal system should be paying all concerned.

It will be the Italian tax payer coming forward with the Euros.

Remember my immodest proposal, though, to adjust the salaries of the Italian judges whose decisions turn out to be contrary to either past or future ECHR judgments.
 
It will be the Italian tax payer coming forward with the Euros.

Remember my immodest proposal, though, to adjust the salaries of the Italian judges whose decisions turn out to be contrary to either past or future ECHR judgments.

Under such circumstances, what judge would convict of anything, if conviction carried with it the risk of financial penalties?

Since no defendant appeals a case they win (in general, of course rights could still have been violated even in a case that was lost), its too much to expect judges to be perfect, and penalize them when they are not.

But for willful misconduct by Mignini in this case, yes, absolutely.
 
It will be the Italian tax payer coming forward with the Euros.

Remember my immodest proposal, though, to adjust the salaries of the Italian judges whose decisions turn out to be contrary to either past or future ECHR judgments.

Might cause the citizens to clamor for revisions to the Italian justice system.
 
I see how a number of bad taste comments against the Kerchers is immediately prompted as soon as one mentions their existence as parties in the trial.

Those kind of foolish rants should be kept for better grounds and better causes. Alien invasions, things like that.

Especially remarkable that they come from somoene who praises folks like the liar Preston and convicted liar Spezi.

Reasonable people may easilly come to the conclusion that the Kerchers could have no realistic expectation of financial gain from the conviction of Sollecito and Knox. Albeit it is right that they seek damages, even if they will never be paid (and if somthing is paidit would be insufficient to even cover the sustained legal expenses), because acknowledgment of damage award is essential part of what justice consists of after all.

Preston and Spezi seem like honest people to me. Where as there is no reasonable possibility Amanda and RAf had anything to do with this crime. It's just goofy to maintain that they did. And no amount of dancing and double-talk will get you past go. Feel free to rant of course.

Too bad you can't see it, for whatever reason.

The earth isn't flat, the moon isn't made of cheese, climate warming is real and man-made, and Amanda and Raf are completely innocent. The evidence shows it, the world knows it, with the exception of certain climes in an other wise beautiful country.

By the way Mach, what's happening with the Sollecito/Gumbel case today or tomorrow? What will likely be accomplished at this hearing? Will they set a schedule? Declare guilt right away? Throw them in jail? It's only about money, right?
 
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I see how a number of bad taste comments against the Kerchers is immediately prompted as soon as one mentions their existence as parties in the trial.

Those kind of foolish rants should be kept for better grounds and better causes. Alien invasions, things like that.

Especially remarkable that they come from somoene who praises folks like the liar Preston and convicted liar Spezi.

Reasonable people may easilly come to the conclusion that the Kerchers could have no realistic expectation of financial gain from the conviction of Sollecito and Knox. Albeit it is right that they seek damages, even if they will never be paid (and if somthing is paidit would be insufficient to even cover the sustained legal expenses), because acknowledgment of damage award is essential part of what justice consists of after all.

There is zero chance that the Kerchers will ever recover any money.
 
I see how a number of bad taste comments against the Kerchers is immediately prompted as soon as one mentions their existence as parties in the trial.

Those kind of foolish rants should be kept for better grounds and better causes. Alien invasions, things like that.

Especially remarkable that they come from somoene who praises folks like the liar Preston and convicted liar Spezi.

Reasonable people may easilly come to the conclusion that the Kerchers could have no realistic expectation of financial gain from the conviction of Sollecito and Knox. Albeit it is right that they seek damages, even if they will never be paid (and if somthing is paidit would be insufficient to even cover the sustained legal expenses), because acknowledgment of damage award is essential part of what justice consists of after all.

Could your name calling be related to the fact that Preston is a successful writer of novels and nonfiction and Spezi a successful journalist and nonfiction writer, while others are not so successful as authors?

Mignini has written a book, hasn't he?

From the Guardian:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/03/giuliano-mignini-knox-prosecutor-conspiracy

Just before the final summing up in the Knox appeal began, Mignini discussed his handling of an older case, the "Monster of Florence" serial killer, and his belief that his investigation of the 1985 death of a freemason, Francesco Narducci, that he linked to the case was mysteriously blocked.

"I have felt under attack ever since I investigated Narducci," he told the Guardian. "It all started there."

The 16-month sentence he received for abuse of office last year after he ordered unauthorised wiretaps during the Monster investigation was a trumped-up charge that fit the pattern of persecution, he has argued.

Mignini continues to work as he awaits his appeal, which starts on 22 November.

Mignini has claimed Douglas Preston, the US novelist who challenged Mignini's theories about the Monster of Florence, is masterminding a US press campaign against him over his handling of the Knox case. "It's all Preston," he said.

So it was unsurprising that Mignini should add a touch of conspiracy theory to his summing up in the Knox appeal, claiming that "our judicial system has been subjected to a systematic denigration by a well-organised operation of a journalistic and political nature".
 
Under such circumstances, what judge would convict of anything, if conviction carried with it the risk of financial penalties?

Since no defendant appeals a case they win (in general, of course rights could still have been violated even in a case that was lost), its too much to expect judges to be perfect, and penalize them when they are not.

But for willful misconduct by Mignini in this case, yes, absolutely.

How about if the judges salaries are trimmed a bit only if they rule contrary to past ECHR case-law, Italian law, or the Italian Constitution? Presumably all known to them. Would that be more fair?

You see, I am willing to negotiate; no gridlock here.
 
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There is zero chance that the Kerchers will ever recover any money.

But Rudy Guede is supposed to pay them civil penalties.

When he is released from prison, will he still be obligated to pay?

How would he get funds to compensate the Kerchers?
 
The Micheli transcripts make it perfectly clear that Mignini was offering a ritualistic explanation as a genuine possibility for a pre-planned act involving sexual elements and violence. Whether or not he was claiming that this was some sort of "ritual sacrifice" is not important (and it's a strawman to argue against this anyhow).

Whether he was claiming that this was some sort of "ritual sacrifice", or not, is "not important" to the straw men makers, maybe; because what they they like to do is to overlap and obfuscate.

Mignini considered "not unrealistic" the possibility that there was some ritualistic element in an act that was defined "festino"; or in choosing the day for it; "festino", a meeting that must have had some sexual content and some element related to violence, that might be acted or just represented at the level of a game (a sexual humiliation game, maybe).

This was an idea considered by Mignini.

But Bill Williams - and some of his comrades - forget to say that this is NOT a "ritual killing scenario". The "act", that was portrayed as maybe having "not unrealistically" an element of ritualism, wass not a killing. Maybe not even a crime, and maybe they didn't even plan in advance to target Meredith with any action. The object related to the ritualistic elements, as we can read, was a festino. An ironical Italian word that means: a little game, a little play. And the ritualistic element may even be meant only as inspiration for the day of its occurrence.

Now, let's put something in clear, not to confuse my opinion with that of Mignini. I think the speculation about this possible "cultural" element was inappropriate, I don't believe this element could realistically belong to the intention or psychology of the perpetrators, given the cultural level of the suspects.

I do not agree with some of Mignini's ideas, like those about sociology; for example I dn't believe it makes sense, on sociological level, to put in relation a penchant for Marilyn Manson with possible deviant behaviours. And the attempts by Mignini and Maresca to make sense of what cultural elements or aspects might have played a role in the psychology of the suspects to their decisions, they basically express their own culture, rather than having a scientific content.
In my opinion theirs is a very "rationalist" worldview actually, used to sophisticated literature, somehow of the most "traditional" European kind, including libertine and enlightned sexual material, and they live in a world where things usually have some reasoned aspect or have some sophisticated culture attached. I bet De Sade or BDSM fetishism would look like normal stuff in that view, like Dolcetto d'Alba with Gorgonzola. But in fact the cultural level of the suspects did not allow to such speculations to be realistic, in my opinion; I think they wouldn't chose a particular day because inspired by Halloween as much as they would unlikely handle a Dolcetto d'Alba with Florentine chops rather than a Pinot Bianco with shrimps.

But I also understand that those topics are irrelevant to a murder trial. A prosecutor is not supposed to be a sociologist or a psychologist. Neither is a judge. Mignini is a very professional investigator, but his sociology skills are amateurish, and has no degree in cultural studies nor in psychology.
At an amateurish sociological level, it is fair to think that maybe the suspects were somehow influenced by a Halloween themed atmosphere that gave them inspiration. It is inappropriate, in my opinion, but it is irrelevant to the scenario.

What matters is what Mignini put forward, substantially, was a non premeditated murder scenario; which was, obviously, a non-ritualistic killing; it had nothing to do with satanism, and it is a fact that he never employed the word "rite".

The transcripts show clearly, to me, that Mignini sought, in court, to explain what (he thought) had happened by proposing that Knox, Sollecito and Lumumba/Guede had deliberately chosen to instigate a sex-and-violence ritual upon Kercher, and that the date was very deliberately chosen for that reason (he even states that it "would have" been Hallowe'en, but inconveniently Kercher was not available for this sex-and-violence act on that night, so the following night had to suffice, and that was OK (per Mignini) because the following night still fell within the scope of the Day of the Dead etc.). It's beyond question that Mignini was linking the religious and pagan festivals around 31st October and 1st November to the murder, and that this indeed was the entire catalyst for the pre-planned action carried out by the "murderers".

It is not true that this was the "entire catalyst" in Mignini's scenario; this is not true insofar as, in fact, Micheli himself pointd out that the prosecution dropped this element during the very preliminary hearing. This possible ritualistic element about dates was dropped not only because it was inappropriate, but also because it could be easilly dropped, since it was irrelevant.

And also, note, that even the "catalyst" element would be, in fact, something irrelevant in the scenario. It is an intrinsic property of a catalyst, that of being irrelevant: by its nature a catalyst is only a trigger. A catalyst cannot be the motive.

Thus, the ritualistic element - which you admit it was only a catalyst - could be, in Mignini's scenario, at best only a contextual element, not the motive.

I believe that he felt may have been opportune to speculate also on this possible contextual element before the judge, just because he found himself without much to say about a motive, where he lacked information about.

It's irrelevant whether or not Mignini was suggesting that they went there with the explicit intention of killing Kercher (and I don't believe he was). It's relevant that he was suggesting that they went there to carry out some form of "sex-and-violence" ritual upon Kercher, and that this somehow escalated and got out of control, culminating in Kercher's death.

He doesn't use the word "ritual". And if you read the previous paragraph of p.46, you will notice how he points out that the main reason for the choice of the day - or better the main "catalyst" - was not the ritualistic element, but the fact that Meredith and Knox would be at home together alone, for the first time, on that night.

And if you go further back up to p. 43, you will read how Mignini expresses the view that this was a random murder, that is a murder in which there are many "factors playing" a causal role; among those he mentions, at the end, some aspects of the suspects' personalities, which he sees as co-factors of risk.
Most of his observations, in my opinion, are correct.

The straw men makers would only pick up the inapproriate, irrelevant contextual speculations, and forget the rest of the arguments.

Now, in fact Mignini doesn't say they were planning to commit something upon Meredith, some kind of act against her will. He suggests something slightly different. He suggests they intended to involve her in a sexual game. Mignini does not jump to say that they were aiming at committing a ritualistic act on her or at committing a violence: he says they meant to "drag her into a game".
This dragging her into a sexual game seems in fact an actual part of the motive, it has a causative effect, it's not just some contextual scenario.
But still, this dragging Meredith into a sex game is not - in Mignini's argument - the whole motive. There is another part of the motive, which he points out, something he mentions in the same paragraph and he assume it may have had a causal effect - even if it's unclear how this plays in a narrative the other possibilities - that is: Meredith's rent cash money. This one, for Mignini, was another part of the "real motive".

Mignini doesn't build a narrative but mentions these two possible motives: desire to drag her into a sexual game, and something that has to do with using her money.

He doesn't specify further any narrative or scenario - it's clear he doesn't have information - but those are the elements that he points as the most probable elements of the motive.
 
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But Rudy Guede is supposed to pay them civil penalties.

When he is released from prison, will he still be obligated to pay?

How would he get funds to compensate the Kerchers?

Well I don't know that the funds have to be paid all at one time. However, should Rudy try to sell his story, for small or large profit, I would imagine those funds could be sought after by the Kerchers. And should he get a paying job maybe garnishment of his wages?

If that is the case it is assured that Rudy will never be free or profit from his part in the murder of Meredith. As it should be.
 
Machiavelli - it is strange the way you argue, Please see this quote from the Massei report:

I'm now bracing myself for a response from you which explains why this doesn't say what it says.

It doesn't imply that motive for Massei was Guede's lust alone.
 
Whether he was claiming that this was some sort of "ritual sacrifice", or not, is "not important" to the straw men makers, maybe; because what they they like to do is to overlap and obfuscate.

Mignini considered "not unrealistic" the possibility that there was some ritualistic element in an act that was defined "festino"; or in choosing the day for it; "festino", a meeting that must have had some sexual content and some element related to violence, that might be acted or just represented at the level of a game (a sexual humiliation game, maybe).

This was an idea considered by Mignini.

But Bill Williams - and some of his comrades - forget to say that this is NOT a "ritual killing scenario". The "act", that was portrayed as maybe having "not unrealistically" an element of ritualism, wass not a killing. Maybe not even a crime, and maybe they didn't even plan in advance to target Meredith with any action. The object related to the ritualistic elements, as we can read, was a festino. An ironical Italian word that means: a little game, a little play. And the ritualistic element may even be meant only as inspiration for the day of its occurrence.

Now, let's put something in clear, not to confuse my opinion with that of Mignini. I think the speculation about this possible "cultural" element was inappropriate, I don't believe this element could realistically belong to the intention or psychology of the perpetrators, given the cultural level of the suspects.

I do not agree with some of Mignini's ideas, like those about sociology; for example I dn't believe it makes sense, on sociological level, to put in relation a penchant for Marilyn Manson with possible deviant behaviours. And the attempts by Mignini and Maresca to make sense of what cultural elements or aspects might have played a role in the psychology of the suspects to their decisions, they basically express their own culture structures. In my opinion theirs is a very "rationalist" worldview actually, used to sophisticated literature, somehow of the most "traditional" European kind, including libertine and enlightned sexual material, ad they live in a world where things usually have some reasoned aspect or have some sophisticated culture attached. I bet De Sade or BDSM fetishism would look like normal stuff in that view, like Dolcetto d'Alba with Gorgonzola. But in fact the cultural level of the suspects did not allow to such speculations to be realistic, in my opinion; I think they wouldn't chose a particular day because inspired by Halloween as much as they would unlikely handle a Dolcetto d'Alba with Florentine chops rather than a Pinot Bianco with shrimps.

But I also understand that those topics are irrelevant to a murder trial. A prosecutor is not supposed to be a sociologist or a psychologist. Neither is a judge. Mignini is a very professional investigator, but his sociology skills are amateurish, and has no degree in cultural studies nor in psychology.
At an amateurish sociological level it is fair to think that maybe the suspect were somehow influenced by a Halloween themed atmosphere that gave them inspiration. It is inappropriate, in my opinion, but it is irrelevant to the scenario.

What matters is what Mignini put forward, substantially, was a non premeditated murder scenario; which was, obviously, a non-ritualistic killing; it had nothing to do with satanism, and it is a fact that he never employed the word "rite".



It is not true that this was the "entire catalyst" in Mignini's scenario; this is not true insofar as, in fact, Micheli himself pointd out that the prosecution dropped this element during the very preliminary hearing. This possible ritualistic element about dates was dropped not only because it was inappropriate, but also because it could be easilly dropped, since it was irrelevant.

And also, note, that even the "catalyst" element would be, in fact, something irrelevant in the scenario. It is an intrinsic property of a catalyst, that of being irrelevant: by its nature a catalyst is only a trigger. A catalyst cannot be the motive.

Thus, the ritualistic element - which you admit it was only a catalyst - could be, in Mignini's scenario, at best only a contextual element, not the motive.

I believe that he felt may have been opportune to speculate also on this possible contextual element before the judge, just because he found himself without much to say about a motive, where he lacked information about.



He doesn't use the word "ritual". And if you read the previous paragraph of p.46, you will notice how he points out that the main reason for the choice of the day - or better the main "catalyst" - was not the ritualistic element, but the fact that Meredith and Knox would be at home together alone, for the first time, on that night.

And if you go further back up to p. 43, you will read how Mignini expresses the view that this was a random murder, that is a murder in which there are many "factors playing" a causal role; among those he mentions, at the end, some aspects of the suspects' personalities, which he sees as co-factors of risk.
Most of his observations, in my opinion, are correct.

The straw men makers would only pick up the inapproriate, irrelevant contextual speculations, and forget the rest of the arguments.

Now, in fact Mignini doesn't say they were planning to commit something upon Meredith, some kind of act against her will. He suggests something slightly different. He suggests they intended to involve her in a sexual game. Mignini does not jump to say that they were aiming at committing a ritualistic act on her or at committing a violence: he says they meant to "drag her into a game".
This dragging her into a sexual game seems in fact an actual part of the motive, it has a causative effect, it's not just some contextual scenatio.
But still, this dragging Meredith into a sex game is not - in Mignini's argument - the whole motive. There is another p'at of the motive which he points out, something he mentions and puts a causal effect on it - even if it's unclear how this plays in a narrative the other possibilities - that is: Meredith's rent cash money.

Mignini doesn't build a narrative but mentions these two possible motives: desire to drag her into a sexual game, and something that has to do with using her money.

He doesn't specify further any narrative or scenario - it's clear he doesn't have information - but those are the elements that he points as the most probable elements of the motive.

The sheer length of this post about this topic is revealing.
 
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If you want to consider if shorthand where I argue "no evidence" as "no good evidence", that is fine.
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Well, there's more evidence than just the DNA on the bra-clasp.

I tend to think of most of it as probably bad evidence or at least the innocent explanation makes more sense, but I do understand why the probably guilty crowd thinks the sheer weight of it is just way too much to ignore. I just disagree with them on the quality of the evidence, but some of the evidence IS better than the rest, but it's still evidence none the less.

But, this is all just my opinion,

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Dolcetto d'Alba with Gorgonzola.

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Mach, have you considered becoming a restaurant critic or otherwise writing about food and wine?

I think your writing makes considerable sense when you stick to that topic.

ETA: And see how much clearer your exposition can be if you are concise, as in your quote, paraphrased above.
 
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This is an interesting circular discussion. I started it by saying that Stefanoni's claim that Knox's DNA on the knife indicated she used it in a stabbing motion was self evidently nonsense. This unsubstantiated statement by Stefanoni was then used by Nencini to say that the fatal injury was struck by Knox.

Actually, you didn't quote a statement by Stefanoni. You made a rather different argument, you stated that Stefanoni should have said that it was not certain beyond reasonable doubt that Knox was wielding a knife.
You built this reasoning, in my opinion, onto an illogical process.
You mixed up then some criticism about Stefanoni on legal grounds, which are also legally flawed.

I said provocatively even Mach recognised this was a fallacious argument. Mach came back essentially saying that whilst that may be true for the DNA on the handle the much smaller trace on the blade was blood and was deposited at the time of the murder. (The origin of this misapprehension is the use of the term 'biological fluid' - what this references is the biological material is extracted into a liquid.) So Mach attributes the misattributed biological fluid as coming from a deep scratch on Knox's neck. (...)

Actually, I did not make a connection between the scratch and the possible blood on the knife. The scratch is a dubious or suspicious element, but there is no sure link between the scratch and blood.
There were actually some other "lesions" or "marks" that were photographed on Knox's body, and noted by Lalli, but he admits in his testimony he doesn't remember about them.

But the presence of Knox's blood on the murder scene - and thus possibly on the knife - stems not from Knox's possible wounds, but from another element: the certainty of the presence of Knox's blood in the small bathroom.

This element is sure, from her own admission and from common sense we can assume it was not there on the previous evening, and above all it is also tagged by another aspect: for being the subject of one of her lies (actually the subject of more than one). In fact, Amanda Knox lied about her blood on the tap, as she told that as she noticed she speculated about whether it had come from her ears, but noticed it was already cobbled on and decided it was not her blood based on the assessment about the size of the bathmat print.
Prosecutor Crini expressed his outrage talking about the stupidity of this lie: Amanda Knox had no memory about bleeding in the bathroom, but this is intrinsicaly not credible: she would have obviously known if she had bled in the bathroom, from her ear or from any other wound.
Not remembering such event is not realistic, not credible.
And frankly, to think that maybe you may be bleeding, but decide that you don't bsed on the calculation of the size of a stain, is unrealistic. When one thinks he/she may have a bleeding wound, they would just immediately just check their own body for wounds, before indulging to deductions.

Knox's blood so was actually there on the murder scene, in a context where it was mixed with Meredith's blood, it was not there on the previous night and it was an object of lies.
In addition to this, we have Knox's DNA - that was attributed to "body fluids" by experts Berti and Barni - which is located at blade insertion. And we know that something most common in stbbings is that, while the victim's blood is found on the weapon point, the murderer often gets cut with the part of the blade close to the handle.
I don't have photos of Knox's hands, thus I don't have confirmation elements; but this presence of a suspect's DNA at the blade insertion is itself a typical indicator, something that points towards a stabbing. The murderer's DNA at the insertion of the blade is not an unlikely event but instead something rather typical in stabbings.
 
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