Surprise: Ohio Terror Suspect Is A Truther...

[dudalb]

CNN is reporting that Christopher Cornell,the Ohio Kid accused of wanting to bomb the Capitol attentended a 9/11 memorial ceremony with a sign saying "9/11 was An Inside Job" and "The Freemasons Are Behind 9/11".....

Whatta surprise.

 

[abaddon]

Religion of peace. Nuff said.

 

[Jango]

CNN is reporting that Christopher Cornell,the Ohio Kid accused of wanting to bomb the Capitol attentended a 9/11 memorial ceremony with a sign saying "9/11 was An Inside Job" and "The Freemasons Are Behind 9/11".....

Whatta surprise.

There's bad folks from all sorts of organizations, so what if this guy is a truther? Or is that your Gotcha moment?

 

[Butter!]

It's rather ironic, though. Frothing at protests about the evil government performing acts of terrorism, and then turning around and planning acts of terrorism. We can all agree on that, right?

 

[Jango]

It's rather ironic, though. Frothing at protests about the evil government performing acts of terrorism, and then turning around and planning acts of terrorism. We can all agree on that, right?

Absolutely.

 

[plague311]

There's bad folks from all sorts of organizations, so what if this guy is a truther? Or is that your Gotcha moment?

It's not that irrational to believe that there are ties between the two. It's not some ridiculous stretch of the imagination that the two could be correlated.

There are cases of violent truthers sporadically in the news. Here's one case, another, another.

I'm not saying everyone that does something violent is a 9/11 truther, just that violence and trutherism being correlated isn't completely out of left field.

 

[Allen773]

Timothy McVeigh was a conspiracy theorist.

 

[Craig4]

He seems just generally unhinged. It would be nice if his legal team and the government could come to an agreement that confines him to a mental hospital where he could get some help.

 

[Jango]

It's not that irrational to believe that there are ties between the two. It's not some ridiculous stretch of the imagination that the two could be correlated.

There are cases of violent truthers sporadically in the news. Here's one case, another, another.

I'm not saying everyone that does something violent is a 9/11 truther, just that violence and trutherism being correlated isn't completely out of left field.

To me, a strong correlation would be if their actions were a result of their beliefs -- like the people who sabotage various mediums (logging, oil, fishing, etc) because they believe that those who are using those mediums are destroying our environment and wildlife. The truthers I'm aware of that have killed people like the elder Tsarnaev brother, the shooter at the Pentagon and the shooter from Arizona have had broader views than just 9/11. They were anti-establishment. Could 9/11 have been a part of their calculus? Sure. But that correlation isn't strong.

 

[beachnut]

To me, a strong correlation would be if their actions were a result of their beliefs -- like the people who sabotage various mediums (logging, oil, fishing, etc) because they believe that those who are using those mediums are destroying our environment and wildlife. The truthers I'm aware of that have killed people like the elder Tsarnaev brother, the shooter at the Pentagon and the shooter from Arizona have had broader views than just 9/11. They were anti-establishment. Could 9/11 have been a part of their calculus? Sure. But that correlation isn't strong.

Actually ideas, like the lies of 911 truth help idiots justify their deeds of murder. no big deal, ideas gave birth to our nation. 911 truth lies don't help.

You seem to be anti-establishment, have you figure out 911 yet; after 13 years

 

[Oystein]

To me, a strong correlation would be if their actions were a result of their beliefs -- like the people who sabotage various mediums (logging, oil, fishing, etc) because they believe that those who are using those mediums are destroying our environment and wildlife. The truthers I'm aware of that have killed people like the elder Tsarnaev brother, the shooter at the Pentagon and the shooter from Arizona have had broader views than just 9/11. They were anti-establishment. Could 9/11 have been a part of their calculus? Sure. But that correlation isn't strong.

You are probably (<- meaning "I am guessing here" ) right - 9/11-truthism as such is quite likely not the immediate cause of such violent deeds. The negative perception of the political situation and the offender's perceived place in it - or what you call "anti-establishment" stance - are more likely the cause of both their becoming truthers (1) and their becoming violent offenders (2).

Formally: If A->B and A->C, then A would be positively correlated with B and with C, and B and C, too, would be positively correlated, but less so, even despite B->C not being true.


(1) Psychologists Wood and Douglas in “What about building 7?” A social psychological study of online discussion of 9/11 conspiracy theories talk at length about "an underlying conspiracist worldview in which the details of individual conspiracy theories are less important than a generalized rejection of official explanations"
(2) Douglas and Sutton in Does it take one to know one? Endorsement of conspiracy theories is influenced by personal willingness to conspire. found "that individuals were more likely to endorse conspiracy theories if they thought they would be willing, personally, to participate in the alleged conspiracies".

 

[carlitos]

To be fair, truthers have also committed child molestation and felony drug crimes. No need to pigeon-hole them into violent crime.

 

[NoahFence]

There's bad folks from all sorts of organizations, so what if this guy is a truther? Or is that your Gotcha moment?

All truthers are bad. Some just more so than others.

 

[dudalb]

He seems just generally unhinged. It would be nice if his legal team and the government could come to an agreement that confines him to a mental hospital where he could get some help.

Agreed;being a Jihadist was just the Bright Shiny Anti Government Thing that caught his attention. Though he was more of a wannabe then the real thing.
He could just as easily have fallen for the Extreme Right Wing Militia nonsense.

And one would think that the kind of people who espouse the Truther nonsense would make one think twice about accepting it.

 

[Ape of Good Hope]

There's a few earlier threads on conspiracy theorist/criminal crossovers (search tags using 'truther violence')

Examples:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252203

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252708

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129763

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169076

 

[LSSBB]

In general, painting the government and it's employees as bloodthirsty killers of thousands of their own citizens (based on no evidence) contributes to a dehuminazation of those employees. I am sure this serves to make violence against those employees more likely to occur, to some degree.

 

[Georgio]

I wonder what percentage of serious criminals are also supporters of 911Truth, and what percentage of 911Truth supporters are serious criminals.

 

[beachnut]

I wonder what percentage of serious criminals are also supporters of 911Truth, and what percentage of 911Truth supporters are serious criminals.

Where is your next transcript from idiots in 911 truth presented by Gage?

The Boston bombers were 911 truth believers. Old men with fantasy thermite and young dropouts are the key players in the fake 911 truth movement.

Most 911 truth followers are too lazy to be serious criminals - this sure is a stupid line of BS too - It seems dumb criminal fall for the lies of 911 truth, it gives them support to hate the "man", the government, and go Tim McVeigh on innocent people. As dumb as the 19, 911 truth followers are unable to think for themselves, the delusional claims match their pattern of stupid thought.
Darn, I fit the 911 truth follower profile. ... oops

 

[Oystein]

I wonder what percentage of serious criminals are also supporters of 911Truth, and what percentage of 911Truth supporters are serious criminals.

In other words, you ask for evidence that belief in 9/11 CTs and committing certain types of crimes are positively correlated.

None exists, the evidence so far is anecdotal only.

In Ape of Good Hope's list of links, the first points to a thread were this was already discussed.

 

[Georgio]

In other words, you ask for evidence that belief in 9/11 CTs and committing certain types of crimes are positively correlated.

None exists, the evidence so far is anecdotal only.

Are you saying there exists anecdotal evidence that there is a link between supporting 911Truth and committing certain types of crimes?

I see evidence that some 911Truth supporters have committed serious crimes - I see no evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, that suggests a link between support of 911Truth and the committing of serious crimes. I may not fully understand the term 'anecdotal evidence', however.