Merged deliberate obstruction by the CIA of pre-9/11 investigations?

paloalto said:
I repeated what Bob Graham stated in this interview, this is so far the best information we have on what is in the missing 28 pages. I did not add my personal opinion on this material other than it is clear to me from this interview that Saudi Arabia has been the enemy of the US all along while pretending to be our friend.

If you did not get this, please reread my post and go to this interview.

Credit card bill?
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How much did they spend on the knives?
 
paloalto said:
I repeated what Bob Graham stated in this interview, this is so far the best information we have on what is in the missing 28 pages. I did not add my personal opinion on this material other than it is clear to me from this interview that Saudi Arabia has been the enemy of the US all along while pretending to be our friend.

If you did not get this, please reread my post and go to this interview.

Credit card bill?
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My mistake, I was sure you included in your post the words "My personal opinion"

I was under the impression the tickets were bought on a credit card ?
 
Spanx said:
My mistake, I was sure you included in your post the words "My personal opinion"

I was under the impression the tickets were bought on a credit card ?
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I was under the impression the tickets were bought on a credit card ?????

What tickets?
 
paloalto said:
What has this question got to do with the missing 28 pages. Your posts are progressively getting even more incoherent, if that were possible!
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So you have no clue how much they spent on the knives?

What did the spend to buy the planes they used on 911?

Gee, it looks like the only thing funded by anyone was living expenses, and flight lessons. How would that be related to knowledge of knowing 19 nuts were going to murder... oops,

The only incoherent thing is your conclusion, based on all the SPAM you post. It is a lie you made up. Guess if you can't comprehend that, then my post has to be incoherent; is your fantasy conclusion is keeping you from reading properly? Your conclusions on 911 are a lie, fake, made up, fantasy.
Where is your Pulitzer? You can team with a newspaper and earn a big Pulitzer if your conclusion is true - darn, you will not understand this incoherent post, you got a fantasy conclusion, No Pulitzer for you.

Which part is incoherent? Your fake conclusion?
 
paloalto said:
Let’s see, we are told "Is this all? I had expected more than just "Saudi Arabia had a hand in financing 9/11"".

ARE YOU FOR REAL?

This means the US had information and solid evidence of the agreement that the Royal family of Saudi Arabia had made with the rabid anti-western Wahabi clerics in Saudi Arabia. This argument allowed these clerics to finance any movement they wanted to promote their radical Islamic rabid anti-western agenda, including al Qaeda, the Taliban, AQIQ, and ISIS as long a they did not attack the Saudi royal family. One of these groups, al Qaeda, killed 300 people in American, many of them Americans on 9/11, with money obtained directly from the Saudi royal family.
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We send the Saudi royal family money for oil and they turn around and use this money to attack and kill thousands of innocent US civilians and many thousands of American soldiers.
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I can't for the life of me find the spot in the interview where Graham says all these things! No mention of "solid evidence", "agreement", "royal family" etc.

No doubt there are Wahabi clerics in Saudi Arabia with axe to grind regarding the West and the USA. No dount there are sympathies in the House of Saud for Wahabi clerics - it is a Wahabi state. But as for all those details...

paloalto said:
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And this information was so explosive that the Bush administration had hidden it for the last 12-13 years from the American people to hide the fact that the Bush administration had a unusually close relationship with the Saudi family in order to get their oil for companies friendly to Bush and Cheney.

My personal option is hiding this information was out and out treason by the Bush administration. It is also clear that the real enemy all along has been the Saudi royal family.
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You are entitled to that opinion, and I am not saying you are wrong. I am sure though that Bob Graham MUST think you are wrong - that the 28 pages do NOT contain the evidence of treason, or else he wouldn't feel duty-bound not to reveal it all. I think in his opinion they reveal evidence of very poor policy decisions.

paloalto said:
I repeated what Bob Graham stated in this interview, this is so far the best information we have on what is in the missing 28 pages. I did not add my personal opinion on this material other than it is clear to me from this interview that Saudi Arabia has been the enemy of the US all along while pretending to be our friend.
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You added things that Graham didn't say.

I am not sure Saudi Arabia, being a totalitarian state that prosecutes Christians and tramples on the rights of women and immigrants, ever pretended to be our friend.
Everybody has known all the time that they are merely business partners.
It has been a policy decision all along to let good business relations and the free flow of oil overrule objections based on poor human rights performance.


Besides, the royal house isn't a monolithic block. I believe I remember talk that the King had some members of his house, and close assiciates, killed as part of the 9/11 aftermath. Al Qaeda is not friends with the King, because of his close business and defense ties with the Great Satan.
 
Spanx said:
Free flights I guess ?
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I assume you are referring to the 10 tickets bought on Mihdhar and Hazmi's credit card for the flights on 9/11.

When FBI IOS Agent Dina Corsi inexplicable would not give FBI Special Agent Robert Fuller permission to ask Saudi Arabian Airlines for the credit card number that Khalid al-Mihdhar had used to pay for his flight into the US on July 4, 2001, it doomed his search for Mihdhar and Hazmi. She refused to give him permission even though she was well aware of this attack and has been told by FBI Special Agent Steve Bongardt that someday people will die, when Corsi told him that he could not continue with his investigation of Mihdhar an Hazmi even though he knew these al Qaeda terrorists were inside of the US in order to take part in an al Qaeda terrorist attack.

There has never been any examination why she refused to give Fuller permission to get the credit card number, in particular when she was told that with this number he was getting nowhere in his search for Mihdhar.
 
Oystein said:
I can't for the life of me find the spot in the interview where Graham says all these things! No mention of "solid evidence", "agreement", "royal family" etc.
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You won't because it isn't there.

Show of hands, How many have known there was some Saudi royal foul play all along?

:w2:

There's nothing new here.
 
DGM said:
Show of hands, How many have known there was some Saudi royal foul play all along?
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I haven't known of Saudi royal foul play all along, and still don't know it, but it is a plausible proposition.
Or depends on what would count as "foul play".

Saudi familiy members sending money to terrorists, knowing that they are about to commit a terror attack on US soil? I think that's plausible, but the jury is still out on it, as far as I am concerned (and that means: I am all for decöassifying things and looking into them - if Jay Utah wants to call that an investigation, that's fine by me).

Saudi family members being up to unholesome immoral activities? Of course, that's their stated and constituted reason for being!
 
I think the FBI gets super upset when the Saudis find terrorists first, because there is not debrief, there is death. The one nut who shot at an USAF bus was killed the next day. If we don't know of Saudi involvement, we might never know it; dead terrorists associates tell nothing.
 
beachnut said:
Why do you add lies like this?
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Corsi is the one that wrote the threat assessment in April 2001 an the numerous threats the FBI HQ was receiving of an impending al Qaeda terrorist attack that continued from April to end of July 2001 in a EC in April 2001 that was sent to the almost all of the managers at the FBI HQ, because of instructions from Rod Middleton, her supervisor. This information came out at the Moussaoui trail. See the transcript from the Moussaoui trial.

When Corsi ordered Bongardt to shut down his investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi, FBI Agent Steve Bongardt told Corsi that Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US in order to take part in a al Qaeda terrorist attack. When she finally shut down his criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi, Bongardt told Corsi that "someday people will die because her actions to shut down his criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi.” Little did he know that less than two weeks later 3000 people would be killed in the biggest terrorist attack in US history, and attack that he could have stopped had she not shut his criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi down.
 
paloalto said:
Corsi is the one that wrote the threat assessment in April 2001 an the numerous threats the FBI HQ was receiving of an impending al Qaeda terrorist attack that continued from April to end of July 2001 in a EC in April 2001 that was sent to the almost all of the managers at the FBI HQ, because of instructions from Rod Middleton, her supervisor. This information came out at the Moussaoui trail. See the transcript from the Moussaoui trial.

When Corsi ordered Bongardt to shut down his investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi, FBI Agent Steve Bongardt told Corsi that Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US in order to take part in a al Qaeda terrorist attack. When she finally shut down his criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi, Bongardt told Corsi that "someday people will die because her actions to shut down his criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi.” Little did he know that less than two weeks later 3000 people would be killed in the biggest terrorist attack in US history, and attack that he could have stopped had she not shut his criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi down.
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... even though she was well aware of this attack ...
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This is BS, she did not know the 911 attack was going to happen. You are not into fantasy, reading the future.
 
Oystein said:
I can't for the life of me find the spot in the interview where Graham says all these things! No mention of "solid evidence", "agreement", "royal family" etc.

No doubt there are Wahabi clerics in Saudi Arabia with axe to grind regarding the West and the USA. No dount there are sympathies in the House of Saud for Wahabi clerics - it is a Wahabi state. But as for all those details...


You are entitled to that opinion, and I am not saying you are wrong. I am sure though that Bob Graham MUST think you are wrong - that the 28 pages do NOT contain the evidence of treason, or else he wouldn't feel duty-bound not to reveal it all. I think in his opinion they reveal evidence of very poor policy decisions.


You added things that Graham didn't say.

I am not sure Saudi Arabia, being a totalitarian state that prosecutes Christians and tramples on the rights of women and immigrants, ever pretended to be our friend.
Everybody has known all the time that they are merely business partners.
It has been a policy decision all along to let good business relations and the free flow of oil overrule objections based on poor human rights performance.


Besides, the royal house isn't a monolithic block. I believe I remember talk that the King had some members of his house, and close assiciates, killed as part of the 9/11 aftermath. Al Qaeda is not friends with the King, because of his close business and defense ties with the Great Satan.
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Your claim that you could not find "royal family", and "agreement" is not borne out by looking at the actual text version of this interview. And there would have been no 28 pages, and the fact these pages were redacted on this unless the US has solid evidence of this out an out treachery by the Saudi family toward the US.

Here is the transcript for the Smerconish interview:

Smerconish: Is this all about a deal [agreement] that was made between the Wahabbi extremists and the Saudi family to buy piece in that country, is that the origin of this issue as far as you can tell of this issue

Bob Graham: Yes, and I think that has real implications for the Unite States, because Saudi Arabia has been the principle supporter financially and other wise of these extremist movements including Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda in the Arabian peninsula, al Shabab, the al Qaeda franchise in Somalia and now ISIS are all the products due to Saudi desire and commitment to support these clerics who promote an extreme form of Islam and our failure to call Saudi Arabia to account, I think, has contributed to their realization they can do whatever they want and that even after extreme provocation we [the US] are not going to do anything.
 
paloalto said:
... and attack that he could have stopped had she not shut his criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi down.
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You think you can tell the future, but failed to warn us; why did you let the attacks take place? Why? You figured it out and did nothing.

http://prior-knowledge-of-9-11.com/newsgroup.html

You can tell the future, this means you can apply for the million dollar challenge. It is about selling books, not the truth, and not the fantasy of being able to tell the future.
 
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