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Merged Boston Marathon CTs

Bubba said:
I mentioned combining real and fake Boston bombing effects as possible or likely in the hypothetical model. This alludes to my personal discovery that I am actually more interested in overview profiling of elements in conspiracy theories vs what is 'reported'. I now see that for me individual conspiracy theory is not as interesting as discussing plausibility in general.
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Most likely, you are trying to mock the CT set through impersonation. But, as I'm sure you are now starting to realize, it's hard to satirize people who are already virtual parodies of themselves.
 
Kid Eager said:
We're you a supplier to the brothers but disavowed participation when they got caught?

I'm just asking questions...
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Sounds like denial/deflection of plausibility of an undercover (FBI or other) sting made hot by just one higher up working for a different agency.

It is as simple as that. The truck bomb or the pressure cooker can be be made hot by just one operative (a higher up) in cahoots with his handlers applying a totally different agenda. This is undeniably part and parcel of what goes on in the clandestine world, period. Fools' denial aside.

That is 100% plausible. No one in their right mind will disagree.
 
Bubba said:
Sounds like denial/deflection of plausibility of an undercover (FBI or other) sting made hot by just one higher up working for a different agency.

It is as simple as that. The truck bomb or the pressure cooker can be be made hot by just one operative (a higher up) in cahoots with his handlers applying a totally different agenda. This is undeniably part and parcel of what goes on in the clandestine world, period. Fools' denial aside.

That is 100% plausible. No one in their right mind will disagree.
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Why 100%? Why not 89.3%

I think you're confusing unfounded speculation with actual assessment of likelihood based upon evidence.

It sounds like you're trying to deflect attention from other possibilities by spreading disinfo and poisoning the well.

But please, continue playing.
 
Bubba said:
This is undeniably part and parcel of what goes on in the clandestine world, period. Fools' denial aside.
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"If you disagree with my unsubstantiated guesswork, you're a fool."

That is 100% plausible. No one in their right mind will disagree.
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"If you disagree with my unsubstantiated belief, you must be crazy."

I see we're now into the truly desperate arguments.
 
Kid Eager said:
It's all very much colour-by-numbers woo...
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Indeed, all the threadbare meta-arguments have been deployed:

"If you can't see that I'm right then you're just crazy or dumb."
"You're all picking on me."
"I'm conducting a social science experiment in conformity."
"I'm outnumbered."
"You all need to get a life."
"I don't care about details; I'm interested in the big picture."
"You are all just slaves to majority thinking."
"This is all just hypothetical; I don't really believe it."
"You don't know how the PowersThat Be work."

/me yawns.
 
JayUtah said:
Indeed, all the threadbare meta-arguments have been deployed:

"If you can't see that I'm right then you're just crazy or dumb."
"You're all picking on me."
"I'm conducting a social science experiment in conformity."
"I'm outnumbered."
"You all need to get a life."
"I don't care about details; I'm interested in the big picture."
"You are all just slaves to majority thinking."
"This is all just hypothetical; I don't really believe it."
"You don't know how the PowersThat Be work."

* JayUtah;10388440 yawns.
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I suppose this is the reaction a CT will get when posting on a skeptic's/non believer forum. Majority rules on this one. Amen!
 
It has nothing to do with 'majority'. The majority of people on this planet bleeve in gods and ghosts.

Being in the majority isn't any guarantee of the application of critical thinking.

It's about logic, rationality, and evidence.

Looks like I (re)found this thread in its death throes.
 
Bubba said:
Sounds like denial/deflection of plausibility of an undercover (FBI or other) sting made hot by just one higher up working for a different agency.

It is as simple as that. The truck bomb or the pressure cooker can be be made hot by just one operative (a higher up) in cahoots with his handlers applying a totally different agenda. This is undeniably part and parcel of what goes on in the clandestine world, period. Fools' denial aside.

That is 100% plausible. No one in their right mind will disagree.
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Isn't 100% plausible the same as "actually happened"?

JayUtah said:
No, this is not some Scroogesque change of heart. This is your standard exit strategy. This is the third thread you've used it in, that I have participated in -- there may have been others.
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"And we have become exceedingly efficient at it."
 
Bubba said:
Sounds like denial/deflection of plausibility of an undercover (FBI or other) sting made hot by just one higher up working for a different agency.

It is as simple as that. The truck bomb or the pressure cooker can be be made hot by just one operative (a higher up) in cahoots with his handlers applying a totally different agenda. This is undeniably part and parcel of what goes on in the clandestine world, period. Fools' denial aside.

That is 100% plausible. No one in their right mind will disagree.
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You have proof this happened?
 
turingtest said:
Which, to them, will be proof of the conspiracy.
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Yup. Because no one ever pays attention to them.

Do CTs need the address or contact information for his defender? I have them, just let me know (It's not hard to find, it's in the phone book).
 
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DGM said:
Yup. Because no one ever pays attention to them.

Do CTs need the address or contact information for his defender? I have them, just let me know (It's not hard to find, it's in the phone book).
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<CT>The defense attorney will already be in on it.</CT>
 
turingtest said:
Which, to them, will be proof of the conspiracy.
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Agreed. I've encountered a few of the Pro-Jahar supporters and I asked them why their "evidence" isn't being used by the defense. Their answers were either;

A.) How do you know it's not?

B.) They're not allowed because the courts are controlled by the government.

Ugh.
 
Bubba said:
teaching police that people carrying the Bill of Rights/paying with cash are potential terrorist suspects,
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Who exactly is teaching police that people carrying small copies of the Bill of Rights are potential terrorist suspects? Also, what exactly is the result of this teaching. Are those people treated differently? Same questions for the paying-with-cash thing. I buy lots of stuff with cash, yet no LEO has suspected me of being a potential terrorists.

ETA as for the Founding Fathers being terrorists, when I look at the Boston Tea Party I see a textbook example of terrorism.
The U.S. Code of Federal Regulations defines terrorism as "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives" (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).​
I am not prepared to say all the Founding Fathers were terrorists, but I am not prepared to say that none of them were terrorists. I am willing to reconsider my position if presented with additional evidence.
 
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DGM said:
Trial starts today: http://www.whdh.com/story/27757222/in-search-of-a-boston-jury-to-try-marathon-suspect

Ok CTers now's the time to prove what you got.

My prediction, not a single "fact" they "discovered" will be presented.
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The smart money has it that his attorneys will try to pin most of it on his older brother and portray Dzokhar as being under his brother's thumb, which is his best hope of avoiding execution.

That has to work better than claiming that the whole thing is fake, which seems to be the position of most of the groupies and Tsarnaev's sister. If Tsarnaev tried arguing that little Jane Richard didn't lose a leg and her brother wasn't killed, the jury would probably try to bring back drawing and quartering as a method of execution.
 
Ladewig said:
Who exactly is teaching police that people carrying small copies of the Bill of Rights are potential terrorist suspects? Also, what exactly is the result of this teaching. Are those people treated differently? Same questions for the paying-with-cash thing. I buy lots of stuff with cash, yet no LEO has suspected me of being a potential terrorists.

ETA as for the Founding Fathers being terrorists, when I look at the Boston Tea Party I see a textbook example of terrorism.
The U.S. Code of Federal Regulations defines terrorism as "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives" (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).​
I am not prepared to say all the Founding Fathers were terrorists, but I am not prepared to say that none of them were terrorists. I am willing to reconsider my position if presented with additional evidence.
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The Moakley Courthouse (Courthouse Way) is actually about 3 blocks away from the BTP Ship and Museum (Congress Street)... seems fishy to me! ;)
 
Redwood said:
The smart money has it that his attorneys will try to pin most of it on his older brother and portray Dzokhar as being under his brother's thumb, which is his best hope of avoiding execution.

That has to work better than claiming that the whole thing is fake, which seems to be the position of most of the groupies and Tsarnaev's sister. If Tsarnaev tried arguing that little Jane Richard didn't lose a leg and her brother wasn't killed, the jury would probably try to bring back drawing and quartering as a method of execution.
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Listening to Boston public radio call-in shows, some folks seem to think Tsarnaev's physical appearance and demeanor are him 'thumbing his nose at our justice system and thinking he's better than us'. :rolleyes: His attorneys are completely in control of these aspects and they are trying to keep him from ending up on Federal Death Row, so they are trying to make him look as young and pathetic as possible.
 
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