Near Death and Out of Body Experiences

Mister Earl said:
Haven't read the thread (slaps own wrist) but to me it looks like one issue. People are taking information from an oxygen starved brain that historically returns very wrong information when provided with a lack of oxygen, and then for whatever religious reason, treating it as accurate. Your brain is DYING. It's gonna throw weird things at you in the vague hope you make the dying stop.
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why are many of the experiences so alike?...meeting dead relatives, friends, being told it's not your time, you have more to do....
 
Kid Eager said:
No need to apologise.

I'm sure all evidence is rendered invalid by somebody's retelling of alcoholic hallucinations, and that anecdotes are much more credible than evidence - at least in your odd little worldview.

One day when you reach a stage where whole sentences can be strung together with punctuation, the accompanying evidence to support the assertions made thus far will be forthcoming... won't it? Otherwise what's the point of posting here:
- there's no evidence of learning taking place (by you)
- there's no evidence to sway people to your point of view
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ah...now they're alcoholics...that's a new one...
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
Forgot one point, the "medieval" King Arthur you talk about never existed. The original legends described a tribal king who lived shortly after the Roman withdrawal, c.450CE. The idea of a "medieval" Arthur comes straight out of Hollywood's mangling of the time period, simply because men in 15th century and later plate armour serenading women and being polite when bashing each other was more photogenic than groups of men in chainmail and leather armour bashing each other in a swamp.
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Sorry, but that's not right. One can't credit Hollywood with the creation of a medieval King Arthur, the Middle Ages did that themselves. None of the people who wrote the huge body of Arthurian legend in the Middle Ages depicted Arthur and his knights as anything other than figures with all the contemperaneous trappings, although set in an indeterminate past and in mostly fictional locations. One has to remember that the Arthurian legends were mostly a continental creation based on snippets of British lore, so to their writers and their audiences, the few specific bits of England mentioned were pretty much imaginary locations too. Malory re-imported that continental stuff. A fantasy medieval setting has been where Arthur lived since long before he became a Hollywood character.
 
zengirl said:
Cayce was involved with presidents...and Strieber is a human being who wrote of his experiences...sorry you people can't follow...the woman friend he visited verified that she knew he was there and gave details...gullible ones are the ones who have no understanding of their existence beyond the physical...-------skeptic---someone who denies anything they have no understanding or experience in....
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Name the presidents. That implies, to Americans and most people, President(s) of the USA. No such records that I know of.

I'm a human being and I've written of my experiences. Do you believe me automatically? That seems to be a pretty low bar. "Yeah, but how can we trust him?" "Well, he's a human being!" "Oh, then that's enough for me!"

Sorry you just can't follow, but him claiming that the woman verified/confirmed is about as valid as Sylvia's claim that she had a spirit guide. Pointless, evidence-free assertion. Some people choose to believe nonsense and cloak it in terms of enlightenment.

Skeptic: Someone who is not willing to accept self-appointed authorities making things up, who when challenged can only produce smug anecdotes and assertions.
 
zengirl said:
never said that...doctors just need to learn how to listen to people and take time with them...
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All doctors, or just some?

Do you talk to your doctor like you talk to to people on this forum?

Do you feel that your doctor doesn't spend enough time with you?



zengirl said:
why are many of the experiences so alike?...meeting dead relatives, friends, being told it's not your time, you have more to do....
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What Pixel42 says, in the post just above this one.

There are countless chemical possibilities to explore before we leap into the supernatural:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_experience#Neurobiological_and_psychological_analysis



zengirl said:
ah...now they're alcoholics...that's a new one...
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I had a few Out Of Body Experiences on alcohol, back in my student days (they were usually Out Of Pocket Experiences though :alc: )
 
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So anyway, Zengirl - are you just here to tell us fireside stories, or are you prepared to see if you can demonstrate some paranormal ability to the sceptics here?
 
Slowvehicle said:
People who do, in fact have the expertise (and were actually involved in treating Alexander during his crisis), have, in fact, pointed out that many of the things in Alexander's book did not happen as he describes them.
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Never mind how many times this has been said in Maarten's own NDE thread.
:rolleyes:
 
Maartenn100 said:
Fact is that scientists do not fully understand the brain yet. So, every final conclusion about consciousness is speculative.
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And every one of your own conclusions are also speculative. If you think those two speculations are on an equal footing, then you are not even wrong.

One little bit of new information in science, can introduce a whole new paradigmeshift.
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Science is a paradigm sift.

So, there is no final conclusion possible yet until you fully understand consciousness and how the brain generates it.
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Understanding grows, it's not binary.
 
Ape of Good Hope said:
All doctors, or just some?

Do you talk to your doctor like you talk to to people on this forum?

Do you feel that your doctor doesn't spend enough time with you?






What Pixel42 says, in the post just above this one.

There are countless chemical possibilities to explore before we leap into the supernatural:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_experience#Neurobiological_and_psychological_analysis






I had a few Out Of Body Experiences on alcohol, back in my student days (they were usually Out Of Pocket Experiences though :alc: )
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chemicals don't tell you it's not your time, go back, or show images of your future....:rolleyes:
 
Kid Eager said:
I don't know where you got that idea from. The comprehension is not stronger in you.
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Originally Posted by Kid Eager View Post
No need to apologise.

I'm sure all evidence is rendered invalid by somebody's retelling of alcoholic hallucinations,---------------YOU SAID IT...^^^^^:rolleyes:
 
zengirl said:
why are many of the experiences so alike?...meeting dead relatives, friends, being told it's not your time, you have more to do....
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Pixel42 said:
Because brains are alike, and so are the upbringings of people who share a culture.
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We all have dead relatives. Most people wish to continue their lives.

Are there any NDEs from destitute third world poverty stricken people who's lives have been nothing but severe hardship, hunger and war?
 
jaydeehess said:
We all have dead relatives. Most people wish to continue their lives.

Are there any NDEs from destitute third world poverty stricken people who's lives have been nothing but severe hardship, hunger and war?
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yes, Monroe met kids who starved to death waiting for a sibling to die to join them when he was out of body....
 
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