Near Death and Out of Body Experiences

zengirl said:
Donald Sutherland, who played the character, Hawkeye Piece, in the movie version of Mash, had a near-death experience when ill with meningitis in 1979.

"Suddenly the pain, fever and acute distress seemed to evaporate. I was floating above my body, surrounded by soft blue light. I began to glide down a long tunnel, away from the bed ... but suddenly I found myself back in my body. The doctors told me later that I had actually died for a time."
--------------------------XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX-----Actor James Cromwell became internationally known from his role as Farmer Hoggett, the owner of a piglet in the hit movie Babe. At the age of five, James fell into the ocean which resulted in a near-death experience. Since then, James describes his whole life as a mystical event. After his NDE, James has recurring images in his dreams that are connected to previous incarnations. He states that he has memories of a past life in the days of King Arthur during the Middle Ages.-
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Could you remind me the approximate dates during the middle ages when King Arthur reigned? Wikipedia seems to be missing him from the list of medieval monarchs.
 
shuttlt said:
Could you remind me the approximate dates during the middle ages when King Arthur reigned? Wikipedia seems to be missing him from the list of medieval monarchs.
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I don't have the dates....he didn't say he was a monarch....
 
Stop me if you have heard this one, the plural of anecdotes is not evidence.

do you really think sourcing from fiction is a good plan? Why will you not address any of the relevant issues regarding NDE's?

I promise you that not a single person here will be convinced by your "evidence" as you currently present it. If your goal is not to persuade you are doing an excellent job. If your goal is to persuade I would suggest a new course.
 
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shuttlt said:
Could you remind me the approximate dates during the middle ages when King Arthur reigned? Wikipedia seems to be missing him from the list of medieval monarchs.
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It's after Atlantis, but before Harry Potter, I think. Hard to be sure with fictional characters...
 
zengirl said:
I don't have the dates....he didn't say he was a monarch....
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So, during this past life in the middle ages, there was someone called "King" Arthur, in whose days all this took place, but he wasn't the monarch? So it's not the King Arthur from the nights of the round table etc...? It was during the days of some other middle ages bloke who was called King Arthur, but wasn't the King? Sounds pretty confusing.
 
shuttlt said:
So, during this past life in the middle ages, there was someone called "King" Arthur, in whose days all this took place, but he wasn't the monarch? So it's not the King Arthur from the nights of the round table etc...? It was during the days of some other middle ages bloke who was called King Arthur, but wasn't the King? Sounds pretty confusing.
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Cromwell^^^ didn't say he was a monarch in that incarnation...only lived at that time...
 
Biscuit said:
Stop me if you have heard this one, the plural of anecdotes is not evidence.

I promise you that not a single person here will be convinced by your "evidence" as you currently present it. If your goal is not to persuade you are doing an excellent job. If your goal is to persuade I would suggest a new course.
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I wouldn't mind if any of it was new, but a cursory search of this site would reveal the old threads where it's all been worked over ad nauseam. At least some of those made some efforts to provide links to media reports, articles, and investigations.
 
Jodie said:
We will never know if the reports of NDE's are right or wrong until we experience the death process for ourselves.
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This is said despite the fact that the best study on "NDEs" the AWARE studies devised by Sam Parnia and carried out by him and later many other institutions, which tested reported NDEs by placing signs or numbers in normally invisible spots in hospitals (like at the top of a wardrobe), and asking people if they reported "NDEs" if they saw the signs and what did they say. There was not one single case reported in any of the studies which showed that any single patient had a verifiable "NDE" (i.e. they could reproduce the content of signs or recall the numbers).

Of course Parnia being a believer and not a proper scientist is desperately trying to spin this conclusive debunking of near death experiences as a confirmation. NDEs are false, they are pseudo-science and they don't happen. Anyone who tells you otherwise has either being taken in by a liar or is lying.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
This is said despite the fact that the best study on "NDEs" the AWARE studies devised by Sam Parnia and carried out by him and later many other institutions, which tested reported NDEs by placing signs or numbers in normally invisible spots in hospitals (like at the top of a wardrobe), and asking people if they reported "NDEs" if they saw the signs and what did they say. There was not one single case reported in any of the studies which showed that any single patient had a verifiable "NDE" (i.e. they could reproduce the content of signs or recall the numbers).

Of course Parnia being a believer and not a proper scientist is desperately trying to spin this conclusive debunking of near death experiences as a confirmation. NDEs are false, they are pseudo-science and they don't happen. Anyone who tells you otherwise has either being taken in by a liar or is lying.
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how do you know they don't happen?
 
zengirl said:
When Robert Monroe ( who taught thousands of people to travel out of body) was out of body one time he met a non-human, non-physical being . He was only able to communicate with mental images. He gave images of Earth and humans in physical bodies on Earth. The being gave the impression that he thought Monroe was crazy to suggest beings had physical bodies and lived on a physical planet.-----It has been said that many beings have never experienced physical existence and can't imagine it really exists...
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Imagination is a wonderful thing, but if you don't have physical existence, it obviously follows that you don't have an imagination (or anything else).
 
zengirl said:
I was reading very esoteric material about human evolution and was suddenly high above my house. I saw myself in my chair through the roof. Lasted a maybe a minute, then I was back in the chair stunned.
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No such thing happened to you.
 
dlorde said:
Imagination is a wonderful thing, but if you don't have physical existence, it obviously follows that you don't have an imagination (or anything else).
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Not true....humans are more than a brain and a body ...I have been out of body and know it...
 
zengirl said:
Not true....humans are more than a brain and a body ...I have been out of body and know it...
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Did King Arthur and his Knights feature in this? I'm still trying to find where/when in the middle ages they lived. I'm not foolish enough to think that that actor imagined it, or was telling a ******** story (I have it on good authority from Robin Hood that actors never make **** up).
 
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