Merged Ukraine erupts in riots and general strike.

[Safe-Keeper]

Is trying to change the subject all you've got left?

Very next post:

it is very odd that you are so passionate about one phantom submarine that was never found and so comfortable with American invasions and occupations that have killed nearly a million Muslims

Oh, the irony.

Either way, the "but but 'merica/israel" posts are mandatory in threads about Palestine, Russia, etc. Don't know why. Maybe it was decied by committee or something.

 

[uke2se]

Removed because I can't read.

 

[trustbutverify]

Either way, the "but but 'merica/israel" posts are mandatory in threads about Palestine, Russia, etc. Don't know why. Maybe it was decied by committee or something.

Standard "anti-imperialist" operating procedure. However, try to make such comparisons to Russia, Iran, etc in a thread criticizing the behavior of the US and/or Israel, and watch what happens.

 

[Rincewind]

Standard "anti-imperialist" operating procedure. However, try to make such comparisons to Russia, Iran, etc in a thread criticizing the behavior of the US and/or Israel, and watch what happens.

Yup - for them, "tu quoque" only works in one direction...

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Standard "anti-imperialist" operating procedure. However, try to make such comparisons to Russia, Iran, etc in a thread criticizing the behavior of the US and/or Israel, and watch what happens.

I gotta try that.

 

[trustbutverify]

I gotta try that.

I foresee multiple yellow cards.

 

[Klimax]

This was predictable. Ukraine just abolished neutrality.

 

[crescent]

Russia reminds me of a husband who beats his wife because he thinks she looked at another man. The husband then seems baffled when the beating seems to make the wife show even more interest in other men, especially the ones who don't seem to beat on women.

Roses might have worked. Tanks and undeclared war won't.

 

[dudalb]

Did somebody just accuse the US of invading Cuba???
Last time that happened, to the best of my knowledge,was in 1898,during the Spanish American war.
Pretty clear that Raul Castro decided that any hopes that Russia would become a sugar daddy to Cuba like they were during the Cold War are long gone,and has decided to find a new patron...

 

[Safe-Keeper]

This was predictable. Ukraine just abolished neutrality.

I love how Russia allegedly fears that the country they are currently invading "might become a military opponent" if it joins NATO.

 

[magellan]

Did somebody just accuse the US of invading Cuba???
Last time that happened, to the best of my knowledge,was in 1898,during the Spanish American war.
Pretty clear that Raul Castro decided that any hopes that Russia would become a sugar daddy to Cuba like they were during the Cold War are long gone,and has decided to find a new patron...

Bay of pigs was in 1961.
A year and a half later the US initiated a naval blockade.
That's an act of war by the way. Stationing missiles is not.

 

[dudalb]

Bay of pigs was in 1961.
A year and a half later the US initiated a naval blockade.
That's an act of war by the way. Stationing missiles is not.

I see that the Soviet Union still has some fanboys.....

 

[dudalb]

And Russia's international bond rating is approaching "junk bond" status. Seems as though PUtin little Ukranian adventure might have wrecked the Russian Economy.

 

[timhau]

Bay of pigs was in 1961.
A year and a half later the US initiated a naval blockade.
That's an act of war by the way. Stationing missiles is not.

What about annexing a part of another country?

 

[McHrozni]

And Russia's international bond rating is approaching "junk bond" status. Seems as though PUtin little Ukranian adventure might have wrecked the Russian Economy.

Russian economy was wrecked ~10 years ago, when Putin decided to go full retard and expanded the petrostate economy. It lost it's footing during the 2008 the crisis, managed to recover slightly solely due to outrageous oil prices, and ground to a halt in 2013.

http://economic-research.bnpparibas.com/Views/DisplayPublication.aspx?type=document&IdPdf=21959

Granted the Ukrainian adventure helped, a little. A little of that was even sanctions. But the current Russian economic crisis is founded in early 2000s, and was inevitable by 2010 at latest. Without Ukraine it would happen a bit later and perhaps be a bit milder, but no more.

I think this is the primary reason for his Ukrainian adventure. It wasn't because Putin felt threatened from the outside, but because he was facing an internal revolt if Russia didn't have an outside enemy to rally against. Plus the crisis gave him ample room for propagandist excuses as to why the situation is going downhill so fast.

On the upside, due to sanctions, western businesses are now somewhat insulated from the full-blown depression Russia will suffer next year. They are unable to loan them money due to sanctions, so we can just sit back and wait. We'll loose some business with Russia, certainly, but that was running on borrowed time anyway. No reason to cry over it, it was great while it lasted, but now the easy times are over.

McHrozni

 

[dudalb]

Russian economy was wrecked ~10 years ago, when Putin decided to go full retard and expanded the petrostate economy. It lost it's footing during the 2008 the crisis, managed to recover slightly solely due to outrageous oil prices, and ground to a halt in 2013.

http://economic-research.bnpparibas.com/Views/DisplayPublication.aspx?type=document&IdPdf=21959

Granted the Ukrainian adventure helped, a little. A little of that was even sanctions. But the current Russian economic crisis is founded in early 2000s, and was inevitable by 2010 at latest. Without Ukraine it would happen a bit later and perhaps be a bit milder, but no more.

I think this is the primary reason for his Ukrainian adventure. It wasn't because Putin felt threatened from the outside, but because he was facing an internal revolt if Russia didn't have an outside enemy to rally against. Plus the crisis gave him ample room for propagandist excuses as to why the situation is going downhill so fast.

On the upside, due to sanctions, western businesses are now somewhat insulated from the full-blown depression Russia will suffer next year. They are unable to loan them money due to sanctions, so we can just sit back and wait. We'll loose some business with Russia, certainly, but that was running on borrowed time anyway. No reason to cry over it, it was great while it lasted, but now the easy times are over.

McHrozni

I agree, but the Ukraine adventure does seem to have been the last starw for a lot of investors who decided no way are they going to put money into Russia under Putin.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

On the upside, due to sanctions, western businesses are now somewhat insulated from the full-blown depression Russia will suffer next year. They are unable to loan them money due to sanctions, so we can just sit back and wait.

I just think we should be cautious looking at Russia only from a Western economic perspective over the next three years. There is a rather major investment property bubble in China with 53,000,000 unoccupied properties and a recent tax imposed on unoccupied residences. China's upper class and middle-upper class investors may be looking to transfer and protect capital and for the short term Russia's 17% and low rouble may become attractive.

I totally agree that Russia's interest hike was due to world oil production, but that doesn't mean they won't take advantage if.... and I mean if....there is an investor capital exodus from China and if a very poor Chinese economy reduces corresponding western GDPs. I imagine many foreign investment review boards are already seeing Chinese property investment at maximum capacity levels.

 

[McHrozni]

I agree, but the Ukraine adventure does seem to have been the last starw for a lot of investors who decided no way are they going to put money into Russia under Putin.

It was the trigger, I agree.

McHrozni

 

[NoahFence]

Russia is going to implode in 2015. I have it #1 on my 2015 death pool.

 

[timhau]

Russia is going to implode in 2015.

No, it's not. The US, on the other hand, will have another civil war before the end of the year. I heard it on Russia Today.*

*Actually, I didn't, not this year. I did spot the prediction in 2009, 2010, and 2011, though.