Near Death and Out of Body Experiences

Good Radio Lab episode on the history of so-called NDE type experiences in jet fighter pilots and the development of the centrifuge to study blackouts induced by high G forces . The brain becomes confused and creates a comprehensible dreamlike image which can cost a pilot his life.

 
Interesting idea Jodie. I do believe nde's are real....they are similar to out of body experiences, but nde's seem to usually involve injury or being near death. I do believe in God, but religions are manmade and are flawed , used to control people.--------------------------Bikewer, no, nde's haven't been proven to be just a lack oxygen....they are far more powerful and transforming. The Monroe Institute has trained people in out of body travel for decades. Mr. Monroe has detailed the process and written about the experiences.
I wonder who is the more gullible - the one who thinks he 'teaches' people to have OBEs or the people who believe they hav been taught? I picked up this link on another forum today which is much more to my liking and I hope you will give it serious consideration too. It is concerned with the inability to prove a negative.
 
----------How do you know after death there is nothing? There are people who travel out of body on a regular basis....my uncle, a doctor , is one of them....I have been out of body myself..

You think you have. Some people think they are Jesus Christ incarnate. What evidence do you have that you are not just deluded?
 
British actress Elizabeth Taylor spoke about her experience of having died on the operating table while undergoing surgery, and of passing through a tunnel towards a brilliant white light. Interviewed by Larry King on CNN's Larry King Live, the legendary Hollywood star related how she had died for five minutes on the operating table. Ms. Taylor said that while she was clinically dead, she had encountered the spirit of Michael Todd, one of her former husbands, whom she referred to as her great love. She had wanted to stay with Todd, she said, but he had told her that she had work and life ahead of her, and he "pushed me back to my life." Following her resuscitation, the eleven-person medical team - including doctors, nurses, etc. - witnessed Taylor's testimonial of this event.

"I was pronounced dead once and actually saw the light. I find it very hard to talk about, actually, because it sounds so corny. It happened in the late '50s, and I saw Mike (Todd, Taylor's third husband, who was killed in a plane crash in 1958). When I came to, there were about 11 people in the room. I'd been gone for about five minutes - they had given me up for dead and put my death notice on the wall. I shared this with the people that were in the room next to me. Then after that I told another group of friends, and I thought, "Wow, this sounds really screwy. I think I'd better keep quiet about this."

And how did Ms Taylor know when her delusions actually happened? Were they while she was "dead" or where they shortly before she recovered from the anesthetic?
 
Wikipedia------ A near-death experience (NDE) refers to personal experiences associated with impending death, encompassing multiple possible sensations including detachment from the body, feelings of levitation, total serenity, security, warmth, the experience of absolute dissolution, and the presence of a light. These phenomena are usually reported after an individual has been pronounced clinically dead or very close to death. --------According to a Gallup poll, approximately eight million Americans claim to have had a near-death experience.[13] Some commentators, such as Simpson,[14] claim that the number of near-death experiencers may be underestimated.------The earliest accounts of NDE can be traced to the Myth of Er, recorded in the 4th century BC by Plato's The Republic (10.614-10.621), wherein Plato describes a soldier telling of his near-death experiences.-

I am sure that people frequently imagine all sorts of things when they are about to die, however that does not mean that the people in question are having any sort of supernatural experience.

Especially, when one considers that people imagine all sorts fo things when they are asleep and that such conditions can be induced through drugs, a lack of oxygen, and so on.
 
Interesting idea Jodie. I do believe nde's are real....they are similar to out of body experiences, but nde's seem to usually involve injury or being near death. I do believe in God, but religions are manmade and are flawed , used to control people.--------------------------Bikewer, no, nde's haven't been proven to be just a lack oxygen....they are far more powerful and transforming. The Monroe Institute has trained people in out of body travel for decades. Mr. Monroe has detailed the process and written about the experiences.

IF you assign such meaning to your brains reaction to a lack of oxygen. As has been mentioned NDE's have a cultural bias which is evidence that the significance of the event is a construct of your mind and culture and nothing more.

I watched a powerful and transformative sunset yesterday but only because I attributed those qualities to it.

Why do you attribute so much authority to celebrity stories of NDE's? If you found out that the majority of celebrities did not believe in NDE's would it change your opinion? What about actual doctors and researchers? Shouldn't their work be of more value than ANY anecdote about NDE's?
 
People are more interested in celebrities than regular people....and I have nde experiences of doctors and others I will show. Children have had nde with details of their future and spouse which came true. ---------- Monroe (from the Monroe Institute) is a scientist with methodology his staff go through in the monitoring and instructions of those learning to travel out of body. They keep files on those volunteers' experiences and information they gathered in their experiences. ------ Ms. Taylor knew it happened during surgery which is common. --------And saying something happened is evidence and used as evidence in courts of law.....
 
People are more interested in celebrities than regular people....and I have nde experiences of doctors and others I will show. Children have had nde with details of their future and spouse which came true. ---------- Monroe (from the Monroe Institute) is a scientist with methodology his staff go through in the monitoring and instructions of those learning to travel out of body. They keep files on those volunteers' experiences and information they gathered in their experiences. ------ Ms. Taylor knew it happened during surgery which is common. --------And saying something happened is evidence and used as evidence in courts of law.....
Does Mr. Monroe use double blind studies? Having a methodology doesn't mean it's a good methodology.

Please give us the name of one person who had details of their future revealed.

Courts of law are not science. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
 
btw---------
The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination.---------
-------The only source of knowledge is experience.

Albert Einstein
 
btw---------
The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination.---------
-------The only source of knowledge is experience.

Albert Einstein

You couldn't have picked a better quote. There is no proof Albert Einstein ever said that.

ETA: In other words, don't believe everything you see or read.
 
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People are more interested in celebrities than regular people....and I have nde experiences of doctors and others I will show. Children have had nde with details of their future and spouse which came true. ---------- Monroe (from the Monroe Institute) is a scientist with methodology his staff go through in the monitoring and instructions of those learning to travel out of body. They keep files on those volunteers' experiences and information they gathered in their experiences. ------ Ms. Taylor knew it happened during surgery which is common. --------And saying something happened is evidence and used as evidence in courts of law.....
The forum's thread on the Monroe Institute:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24245

If you have something useful to add by all means bump it.
 
I had a heart arrhythmia that led to me being flat-lined for just about a minute. I saw and heard absolutely nothing. It wasn't dreamlike. It was just ... nothing.

Please add my anecdote to the pile and have it offset one pro-NDE anecdote. I would appreciate it if it could be Goldie Hawn's. Thank you.
 
I had a heart arrhythmia that led to me being flat-lined for just about a minute. I saw and heard absolutely nothing. It wasn't dreamlike. It was just ... nothing.

Please add my anecdote to the pile and have it offset one pro-NDE anecdote. I would appreciate it if it could be Goldie Hawn's. Thank you.
Likewise (though for different reasons), I've been flat-lined...nothing to report.
 
there is no proof that you exist....and he did say it...

Notice I didn't say he didn't say it. I said there's no proof he did. There's a very important difference there.

http://www.quoteyard.com/the-true-sign-of-intelligence-is-not-knowledge-but-imagination/

Note: This quote is often attributed to Albert Einstein in early 2000’s, (The earliest source found for this quote is “The gramophone: Volume 83, Issues 998-1000″ (2005) by Sir Compton Mackenzie and Christopher Stone; page: 87) but no authentic source is yet found for this attribution, while many similar quotes found in various 19th and 20th century books.
 
btw---------
The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination.---------
-------The only source of knowledge is experience.

Albert Einstein

Here's the actual quote:

Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination embraces the entire world, stimulating progress, giving birth to evolution. It is, strictly speaking, a real factor in scientific research.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein
 

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