Is ESP More Probable Than Advanced Alien Life?

Fudbucker said:
Daylightstar said:
Your claimed claim does not help in any way whatsoever.
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I hope it helps because there is very much a difference between claiming something exists and claiming something possibly exists.

You're not disputing this, are you?
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I just told you that your claimed claim does not help in any way whatsoever.
 
zengirl said:
nonsense---that which 'skeptics' don't believe is possible...skeptic---someone who denies anything they have no understanding or experience in....anything written by a skeptic is never balanced or unbiased...
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1. That is an...interesting...mis-definition of "skeptic"; you sound like justintime, or Janadele. Do consider availing yourself of a good dictionary.

2. Even if your definition of "skeptic" were not suspiciously inadequate, I, for one, do not adopt the label.

3. Have you any "...balanced or unbiased..." recent articles in support of your claims about "remote viewing"; ideally, a source or two available online? My local library does not have any copies of Dr. Brown's tome.
 
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zengirl said:
It is just one of many----I dreamt of Michael Jackson dying 3 months before he did---saw the news report in my dream, I dreamt of a major hurricane when it wasn't even a tropical storm yet--3 months early, I often meet people in dreams months before I meet them....we have the exact talk that we had in the dream...I knew a woman and her husband also had precognitive dreams that happened 2-3 months in the future ...
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Truly, you are...unfamiliar...with the concept of "substantiation".
 
John Jones said:
This is an Appeal to Ignorance Fallacy. Please at least pretend to be on the same page as the rest of us.
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Um....... no. Many people here have trouble with fallacies. For example, "appeal to authority" is misused so much I had to save my standard response to a notebook file so I could copy and paste it.

You are aware of a consensus of what a habitable zone means, don't you? At a minimum, it's a zone where liquid water is possible. If you have a better definition, let's see it.
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Well let's see...

"habitable zone, the orbital region around a star in which an Earth-like planet can possess liquid water on its surface and possibly support life."


Sorry, John. Not going to waste my time on replying to you anymore.
 
zengirl said:
you all would deny any evidence even if it smacked you in the face....
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Given that you have yet to produce the slightest sniff of the hint of a suggestion of a scintilla of actual evidence, you lack standing to make this false (to say nothing of impolite) accusation.

Why not simply provide support for your claims?

(Also, please consider using the "quote" function, to make it clear to whom it is that you are responding, thanks.)
 
Fudbucker said:
I have trouble parsing a lot of your posts. No offense, but this page has a lot of useful information: http://www.iep.utm.edu/epistemo/
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That's because we're not on the same page.
You said you claim that ESP and alien life possibly exist

I then told you that your claimed claim does not help in any way whatsoever.

Then you appear to ignore that by saying that you hope it helps ..... after I told you it (your claim) doesn't help.

You have a habit to try to parse everything in the confines of your belief in what you think is possible.
It makes for poor communication.
 
Fudbucker said:
Um....... no. Many people here have trouble with fallacies. For example, "appeal to authority" is misused so much I had to save my standard response to a notebook file so I could copy and paste it.



Well let's see...

"habitable zone, the orbital region around a star in which an Earth-like planet can possess liquid water on its surface and possibly support life."


Sorry, John. Not going to waste my time on replying to you anymore.
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I didn't accuse you of an Appeal to Authority Fallacy, but thanks for demonstrating a Straw Man Fallacy, a Red Herring Fallacy, and for supporting my understanding of the definition of a habitable zone.

You were trying to acquit yourself of a weak argument charge, but you have convicted yourself of outright failure. Good job!
 
Slowvehicle said:
You appear to be equivocating LAWKI with "life", to the detriment of your argument.

You also appear to have missed the thread about Sean Carroll's excellent talk about the closure of the Standard Model.
Here's the Skepticon video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrs-Azp0i3k
...and a few articles:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/c...ay-life-are-completely-understood/#.VJyIiF4Ag
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/c...-really-are-completely-understood/#.VJyIWl4Ag
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None of that is relevant. I'm claiming the odds of abiogenesis occurring on another planet are unknown. This is true. If you dispute this, tell us what the odds are. And show your work.

I'm also claiming the necessary conditions for life to arise on another planet are unknown. This is true. Again, if you dispute this, I want a detailed list of all the necessary conditions for life to be possible.
 
Fudbucker said:
None of that is relevant. I'm claiming the odds of abiogenesis occurring on another planet are unknown. This is true. If you dispute this, tell us what the odds are. And show your work.

I'm also claiming the necessary conditions for life to arise on another planet are unknown. This is true. Again, if you dispute this, I want a detailed list of all the necessary conditions for life to be possible.
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None of this makes any difference whatsoever to your op question about what's more probable, ESP or advanced alien life.
 
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